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Anonymous wrote:Just ur routine reminder: every accusation is basically a confession.

Israeli shows Israeli school being used as military base: "The reserves are using it pretty much as a base."

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/2031575054366933401

Iran does it and you are apparently totally fine with anything Iran does so why the outrage if anyone else does it?

Also, Russia bombed hundreds of schools all throughout Ukraine and the world stood by silently and did nothing. I seriously doubt the outraged "They bombed an Iranian school" poster posted anything at all about that in any of the threads here.

I have yet to find a single major social media pundit leading the outrage commentary about Minab who also condemned the Russian bombing of schools in Ukraine for the last 5 years. Why is that?

Because you're lying and trying to deflect. Almost everyone, except for our dear leader, has condemned Russia's attacks on civilians in Ukraine.

When did the pro-Palestine people do this? When did the pro-Iran posters here do that? And I don't recall threads going on for 10 days straight over every Ukrainian school like the drumbeat here over Minab.

I can't tell you what the phantoms in your head say or explain your inability to remember events from just a few years ago. There has been widespread coverage and condemnation of Russia's attacks on schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings.

General condemnation and by other accounts, yes. But not specific condemnation by the same accounts that are currently the loudest to condemn the Minab attack.

You've created your own strawman. Get off of twitter, it's warping your mind.

It's no strawman of my own creation. I've done the searches. The top accounts doing the loudest moralistic tweeting about the Minab bombing were silent when schools in Ukraine were being bombed. That's nothing of my own doing. I'm merely exposing online hypocrisy, lopsided astroturfing and trolling. And I'm pretty sure it's happening here on DCUM as well.

Congratulations, you just discovered that twitter is a cesspool of manipulation and in no way representative of reality. The rest of us have know that for years.

People are upset because of what happened not because some random account on twitter says to be upset. It happened, it was unnecessary, it was not faulty navigation, and it was a war crime. Not as bad a war crime as what Russia, Israel, or Iran have done but a war crime nonetheless. We're supposed to be the white hats. Those other three countries wear their black hats with pride.

The more interesting question, is why did it happen? I do not think we deliberately blew up a school, even though we did deliberately blow up a building that was a school. Did AI create the target package? Did Israel give us the target packages? I don't know but we do need to find out why so it doesn't happen again.

Pretending that it didn't happen, or that it wasn't us, because twitter bots are amplifying the story is counter productive.

I think it was intentional. Pete Hegseth has said no rules of engagement. He has a history from his time in Iraq.

In Iraq in 2006 four members of his company were court-martialed for killing unarmed detainees and by his own recent admissions that he instructed his platoon to ignore legal advice regarding the rules of engagement. Sounds like he ordered the killing of detainees and civilians in Iraq. I do not know what purpose killing detainees or civilians serve other than to make them fight harder and not surrender.

He ordered the blowing up of civilian boats and the killing of shipwreck survivors.

This fits his pattern of operations. There will be more as long as he and his people are in DOD. I am sure they have committed other crimes in Iran we will hear about eventually. I am sure the Iranians will not surrender because it means sure death.

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Anonymous wrote:Just ur routine reminder: every accusation is basically a confession.

Israeli shows Israeli school being used as military base: "The reserves are using it pretty much as a base."

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/2031575054366933401

Iran does it and you are apparently totally fine with anything Iran does so why the outrage if anyone else does it?

Also, Russia bombed hundreds of schools all throughout Ukraine and the world stood by silently and did nothing. I seriously doubt the outraged "They bombed an Iranian school" poster posted anything at all about that in any of the threads here.

I have yet to find a single major social media pundit leading the outrage commentary about Minab who also condemned the Russian bombing of schools in Ukraine for the last 5 years. Why is that?

Because you're lying and trying to deflect. Almost everyone, except for our dear leader, has condemned Russia's attacks on civilians in Ukraine.

When did the pro-Palestine people do this? When did the pro-Iran posters here do that? And I don't recall threads going on for 10 days straight over every Ukrainian school like the drumbeat here over Minab.

I can't tell you what the phantoms in your head say or explain your inability to remember events from just a few years ago. There has been widespread coverage and condemnation of Russia's attacks on schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings.

General condemnation and by other accounts, yes. But not specific condemnation by the same accounts that are currently the loudest to condemn the Minab attack.

You've created your own strawman. Get off of twitter, it's warping your mind.

It's no strawman of my own creation. I've done the searches. The top accounts doing the loudest moralistic tweeting about the Minab bombing were silent when schools in Ukraine were being bombed. That's nothing of my own doing. I'm merely exposing online hypocrisy, lopsided astroturfing and trolling. And I'm pretty sure it's happening here on DCUM as well.

Congratulations, you just discovered that twitter is a cesspool of manipulation and in no way representative of reality. The rest of us have know that for years.

People are upset because of what happened not because some random account on twitter says to be upset. It happened, it was unnecessary, it was not faulty navigation, and it was a war crime. Not as bad a war crime as what Russia, Israel, or Iran have done but a war crime nonetheless. We're supposed to be the white hats. Those other three countries wear their black hats with pride.

The more interesting question, is why did it happen? I do not think we deliberately blew up a school, even though we did deliberately blow up a building that was a school. Did AI create the target package? Did Israel give us the target packages? I don't know but we do need to find out why so it doesn't happen again.

Pretending that it didn't happen, or that it wasn't us, because twitter bots are amplifying the story is counter productive.

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Minab martyrdom planned, by the IRGC.

Give it up with your delusional takes

All military experts and OSINT (including the CIA OSINT accounts) accounts have come to the same conclusion that the school was indeed struck by US Tomahawk missiles.

The US attacked a civilian structure. It happens. A lot.

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Iran having military infrastructure directly adjacent to a school is a Geneva Convention Article 58 violation. Iran deliberately and willfully did this quite a bit all throughout their cities, putting IRGC and Basij bases and facilities in dense urban areas. As did Hamas. This happened systematically throughout Iranian and Gazan cities. It was a deliberate and illegal choice that put civilians at risk.

Also, OSINT accounts DO NOT confirm there being a "deliberate double tap on a school" - aerial photos show direct hits on IRGC military targets. When one looks at Bellingcat's own geolocation analysis of the "double tap tomahawk" video, it shows the missile coming in to the left of the school, not at the school itself. And from the camera's viewpoint what''s to the left is the IRGC base. What's being portrayed as a "double tap on the school" is far more likely collateral from a legitimate IRGC target being hit. This scenario is exactly why the Geneva Conventions said military infrastructure should not be directly adjacent to civilian infrastructure.

Also, while it's fine to condemn the US for hitting civilian infrastructure, why don't you give us a comparison of how much civilian infrastructure the US hit in this campaign compared to how much civilian infrastructure Iran has hit with its missiles? What's the percentage? Do you actually believe that Iran has had precision strikes that only hit legitimate military targets, that Iran has not hit a single residential area or civilian target in the area? Iran has launched over 1000 ballistic missiles including Khorramshahr and Sejjil missiles, up to half of which contain between 24 and 80 poorly guided submunitions that disperse over a multi-KM radius which have hit hospitals, schools, residential areas, civilian infrastructure and so on. But the PP's narrative completely ignores this, instead the suggestion is Iran is an innocent victim, doing nothing to anybody, while its children are being deliberately massacred. All based on one school in a building that used to be a military facility.

Mayne this is news to you, but there are schools on our military bases. Daycares, hospitals, elderly care facilities, civilian housing, all located on military bases! Enough with the excuses. What we did was wrong.

Sure sure only America is wrong. Iran is never wrong. Sure. As long as you keep only trashing America it's just going to keep turning Americans off to your rhetoric. You aren't going to win anyone over.

That's not what I said. Of course if you twist my words into something ridiculous, you can make it sound ridiculous.

What I actually suggested was that what we did was wrong. Point blank. End of story. It was wrong. And as an American taxpayer living in what is supposed to be a democracy, my concern is that my money and our collective reputations are being trashed by this administration as it commits war crimes.

None of that is to say the Iranian regime is full of perfect angels. They aren't. But they are not using my money to commit their crimes. They are not trashing my reputation with their crimes. I did not elect any of them to represent me. They are not answerable to me. The American government IS. And I take great issue with the fact that we seem to have slaughtered 150 children and have yet to take accountability. Why don't you?

"Not accountable to me, oh well, nothing to do, move along, nothing to see here, let's just ignore all the evil they do" psssshhhtt..

What part of we messed up are you not understanding? That truth exists entirely independent of what Iran has done. Acknowledging it is not excusing anyone else. Sphere of influence. What my country does, I technically have some say in. And I have a problem with slaughtering children. Again, why dont you?

Do you have kids? When you are parenting them, and they've messed up, do you find it compelling when they try to shift responsibility? Oh well so and so did it too! No. Because as a parent, my job is to parent my child.

Iran does wrong. No one is denying that. But the only government that I am directly tied to, directly funding, and who I can actually influence is MY government.

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Anonymous wrote:Just ur routine reminder: every accusation is basically a confession.

Israeli shows Israeli school being used as military base: "The reserves are using it pretty much as a base."

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/2031575054366933401

Iran does it and you are apparently totally fine with anything Iran does so why the outrage if anyone else does it?

Also, Russia bombed hundreds of schools all throughout Ukraine and the world stood by silently and did nothing. I seriously doubt the outraged "They bombed an Iranian school" poster posted anything at all about that in any of the threads here.

I have yet to find a single major social media pundit leading the outrage commentary about Minab who also condemned the Russian bombing of schools in Ukraine for the last 5 years. Why is that?

Because you're lying and trying to deflect. Almost everyone, except for our dear leader, has condemned Russia's attacks on civilians in Ukraine.

When did the pro-Palestine people do this? When did the pro-Iran posters here do that? And I don't recall threads going on for 10 days straight over every Ukrainian school like the drumbeat here over Minab.

I can't tell you what the phantoms in your head say or explain your inability to remember events from just a few years ago. There has been widespread coverage and condemnation of Russia's attacks on schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings.

General condemnation and by other accounts, yes. But not specific condemnation by the same accounts that are currently the loudest to condemn the Minab attack.

You've created your own strawman. Get off of twitter, it's warping your mind.

It's no strawman of my own creation. I've done the searches. The top accounts doing the loudest moralistic tweeting about the Minab bombing were silent when schools in Ukraine were being bombed. That's nothing of my own doing. I'm merely exposing online hypocrisy, lopsided astroturfing and trolling. And I'm pretty sure it's happening here on DCUM as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Another Mai Lai massacre. Truly a dark stain on America's soul.

We've exported murdering children in our schools. Imagine how pissed you'd be if a foreign country blew up an entire elementary school where your little Johnny and Suzie go.

I can't stand being American anymore. Constantly bombing goat herders, school kids, and civilians. Trillions down the toilet to do so while our roads and bridges fall apart, we have no high speed rail, and we have the worst healthcare in the world. We live in a disaster of a country.

True. I don’t understand how others can defend this or deny it. It’s clearly a tomahawk, which only USA uses in that region. The longer we avoid responsibility the worse it will be.

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Minab martyrdom planned, by the IRGC.

Give it up with your delusional takes

All military experts and OSINT (including the CIA OSINT accounts) accounts have come to the same conclusion that the school was indeed struck by US Tomahawk missiles.

The US attacked a civilian structure. It happens. A lot.

DP

Iran having military infrastructure directly adjacent to a school is a Geneva Convention Article 58 violation. Iran deliberately and willfully did this quite a bit all throughout their cities, putting IRGC and Basij bases and facilities in dense urban areas. As did Hamas. This happened systematically throughout Iranian and Gazan cities. It was a deliberate and illegal choice that put civilians at risk.

Also, OSINT accounts DO NOT confirm there being a "deliberate double tap on a school" - aerial photos show direct hits on IRGC military targets. When one looks at Bellingcat's own geolocation analysis of the "double tap tomahawk" video, it shows the missile coming in to the left of the school, not at the school itself. And from the camera's viewpoint what''s to the left is the IRGC base. What's being portrayed as a "double tap on the school" is far more likely collateral from a legitimate IRGC target being hit. This scenario is exactly why the Geneva Conventions said military infrastructure should not be directly adjacent to civilian infrastructure.

Also, while it's fine to condemn the US for hitting civilian infrastructure, why don't you give us a comparison of how much civilian infrastructure the US hit in this campaign compared to how much civilian infrastructure Iran has hit with its missiles? What's the percentage? Do you actually believe that Iran has had precision strikes that only hit legitimate military targets, that Iran has not hit a single residential area or civilian target in the area? Iran has launched over 1000 ballistic missiles including Khorramshahr and Sejjil missiles, up to half of which contain between 24 and 80 poorly guided submunitions that disperse over a multi-KM radius which have hit hospitals, schools, residential areas, civilian infrastructure and so on. But the PP's narrative completely ignores this, instead the suggestion is Iran is an innocent victim, doing nothing to anybody, while its children are being deliberately massacred. All based on one school in a building that used to be a military facility.

Mayne this is news to you, but there are schools on our military bases. Daycares, hospitals, elderly care facilities, civilian housing, all located on military bases! Enough with the excuses. What we did was wrong.

Sure sure only America is wrong. Iran is never wrong. Sure. As long as you keep only trashing America it's just going to keep turning Americans off to your rhetoric. You aren't going to win anyone over.

That's not what I said. Of course if you twist my words into something ridiculous, you can make it sound ridiculous.

What I actually suggested was that what we did was wrong. Point blank. End of story. It was wrong. And as an American taxpayer living in what is supposed to be a democracy, my concern is that my money and our collective reputations are being trashed by this administration as it commits war crimes.

None of that is to say the Iranian regime is full of perfect angels. They aren't. But they are not using my money to commit their crimes. They are not trashing my reputation with their crimes. I did not elect any of them to represent me. They are not answerable to me. The American government IS. And I take great issue with the fact that we seem to have slaughtered 150 children and have yet to take accountability. Why don't you?

So you're saying the fact that we didn't elect the Ayatollah somehow justifies selectively trashing the US while constantly deflecting, whitewashing, dismissing and downplaying 40+ years of Iran's evil and misdeeds?

Sorry but I just cannot accept that reasoning.

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Minab martyrdom planned, by the IRGC.

Give it up with your delusional takes

All military experts and OSINT (including the CIA OSINT accounts) accounts have come to the same conclusion that the school was indeed struck by US Tomahawk missiles.

The US attacked a civilian structure. It happens. A lot.

DP

Iran having military infrastructure directly adjacent to a school is a Geneva Convention Article 58 violation. Iran deliberately and willfully did this quite a bit all throughout their cities, putting IRGC and Basij bases and facilities in dense urban areas. As did Hamas. This happened systematically throughout Iranian and Gazan cities. It was a deliberate and illegal choice that put civilians at risk.

Also, OSINT accounts DO NOT confirm there being a "deliberate double tap on a school" - aerial photos show direct hits on IRGC military targets. When one looks at Bellingcat's own geolocation analysis of the "double tap tomahawk" video, it shows the missile coming in to the left of the school, not at the school itself. And from the camera's viewpoint what''s to the left is the IRGC base. What's being portrayed as a "double tap on the school" is far more likely collateral from a legitimate IRGC target being hit. This scenario is exactly why the Geneva Conventions said military infrastructure should not be directly adjacent to civilian infrastructure.

Also, while it's fine to condemn the US for hitting civilian infrastructure, why don't you give us a comparison of how much civilian infrastructure the US hit in this campaign compared to how much civilian infrastructure Iran has hit with its missiles? What's the percentage? Do you actually believe that Iran has had precision strikes that only hit legitimate military targets, that Iran has not hit a single residential area or civilian target in the area? Iran has launched over 1000 ballistic missiles including Khorramshahr and Sejjil missiles, up to half of which contain between 24 and 80 poorly guided submunitions that disperse over a multi-KM radius which have hit hospitals, schools, residential areas, civilian infrastructure and so on. But the PP's narrative completely ignores this, instead the suggestion is Iran is an innocent victim, doing nothing to anybody, while its children are being deliberately massacred. All based on one school in a building that used to be a military facility.

Mayne this is news to you, but there are schools on our military bases. Daycares, hospitals, elderly care facilities, civilian housing, all located on military bases! Enough with the excuses. What we did was wrong.

Sure sure only America is wrong. Iran is never wrong. Sure. As long as you keep only trashing America it's just going to keep turning Americans off to your rhetoric. You aren't going to win anyone over.

That's not what I said. Of course if you twist my words into something ridiculous, you can make it sound ridiculous.

What I actually suggested was that what we did was wrong. Point blank. End of story. It was wrong. And as an American taxpayer living in what is supposed to be a democracy, my concern is that my money and our collective reputations are being trashed by this administration as it commits war crimes.

None of that is to say the Iranian regime is full of perfect angels. They aren't. But they are not using my money to commit their crimes. They are not trashing my reputation with their crimes. I did not elect any of them to represent me. They are not answerable to me. The American government IS. And I take great issue with the fact that we seem to have slaughtered 150 children and have yet to take accountability. Why don't you?

"Not accountable to me, oh well, nothing to do, move along, nothing to see here, let's just ignore all the evil they do" psssshhhtt..

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Minab martyrdom planned, by the IRGC.

Give it up with your delusional takes

All military experts and OSINT (including the CIA OSINT accounts) accounts have come to the same conclusion that the school was indeed struck by US Tomahawk missiles.

The US attacked a civilian structure. It happens. A lot.

DP

Iran having military infrastructure directly adjacent to a school is a Geneva Convention Article 58 violation. Iran deliberately and willfully did this quite a bit all throughout their cities, putting IRGC and Basij bases and facilities in dense urban areas. As did Hamas. This happened systematically throughout Iranian and Gazan cities. It was a deliberate and illegal choice that put civilians at risk.

Also, OSINT accounts DO NOT confirm there being a "deliberate double tap on a school" - aerial photos show direct hits on IRGC military targets. When one looks at Bellingcat's own geolocation analysis of the "double tap tomahawk" video, it shows the missile coming in to the left of the school, not at the school itself. And from the camera's viewpoint what''s to the left is the IRGC base. What's being portrayed as a "double tap on the school" is far more likely collateral from a legitimate IRGC target being hit. This scenario is exactly why the Geneva Conventions said military infrastructure should not be directly adjacent to civilian infrastructure.

Also, while it's fine to condemn the US for hitting civilian infrastructure, why don't you give us a comparison of how much civilian infrastructure the US hit in this campaign compared to how much civilian infrastructure Iran has hit with its missiles? What's the percentage? Do you actually believe that Iran has had precision strikes that only hit legitimate military targets, that Iran has not hit a single residential area or civilian target in the area? Iran has launched over 1000 ballistic missiles including Khorramshahr and Sejjil missiles, up to half of which contain between 24 and 80 poorly guided submunitions that disperse over a multi-KM radius which have hit hospitals, schools, residential areas, civilian infrastructure and so on. But the PP's narrative completely ignores this, instead the suggestion is Iran is an innocent victim, doing nothing to anybody, while its children are being deliberately massacred. All based on one school in a building that used to be a military facility.

Mayne this is news to you, but there are schools on our military bases. Daycares, hospitals, elderly care facilities, civilian housing, all located on military bases! Enough with the excuses. What we did was wrong.

Sure sure only America is wrong. Iran is never wrong. Sure. As long as you keep only trashing America it's just going to keep turning Americans off to your rhetoric. You aren't going to win anyone over.

That's not what I said. Of course if you twist my words into something ridiculous, you can make it sound ridiculous.

What I actually suggested was that what we did was wrong. Point blank. End of story. It was wrong. And as an American taxpayer living in what is supposed to be a democracy, my concern is that my money and our collective reputations are being trashed by this administration as it commits war crimes.

None of that is to say the Iranian regime is full of perfect angels. They aren't. But they are not using my money to commit their crimes. They are not trashing my reputation with their crimes. I did not elect any of them to represent me. They are not answerable to me. The American government IS. And I take great issue with the fact that we seem to have slaughtered 150 children and have yet to take accountability. Why don't you?

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Minab martyrdom planned, by the IRGC.

Give it up with your delusional takes

All military experts and OSINT (including the CIA OSINT accounts) accounts have come to the same conclusion that the school was indeed struck by US Tomahawk missiles.

The US attacked a civilian structure. It happens. A lot.

DP

Iran having military infrastructure directly adjacent to a school is a Geneva Convention Article 58 violation. Iran deliberately and willfully did this quite a bit all throughout their cities, putting IRGC and Basij bases and facilities in dense urban areas. As did Hamas. This happened systematically throughout Iranian and Gazan cities. It was a deliberate and illegal choice that put civilians at risk.

Also, OSINT accounts DO NOT confirm there being a "deliberate double tap on a school" - aerial photos show direct hits on IRGC military targets. When one looks at Bellingcat's own geolocation analysis of the "double tap tomahawk" video, it shows the missile coming in to the left of the school, not at the school itself. And from the camera's viewpoint what''s to the left is the IRGC base. What's being portrayed as a "double tap on the school" is far more likely collateral from a legitimate IRGC target being hit. This scenario is exactly why the Geneva Conventions said military infrastructure should not be directly adjacent to civilian infrastructure.

Also, while it's fine to condemn the US for hitting civilian infrastructure, why don't you give us a comparison of how much civilian infrastructure the US hit in this campaign compared to how much civilian infrastructure Iran has hit with its missiles? What's the percentage? Do you actually believe that Iran has had precision strikes that only hit legitimate military targets, that Iran has not hit a single residential area or civilian target in the area? Iran has launched over 1000 ballistic missiles including Khorramshahr and Sejjil missiles, up to half of which contain between 24 and 80 poorly guided submunitions that disperse over a multi-KM radius which have hit hospitals, schools, residential areas, civilian infrastructure and so on. But the PP's narrative completely ignores this, instead the suggestion is Iran is an innocent victim, doing nothing to anybody, while its children are being deliberately massacred. All based on one school in a building that used to be a military facility.

Mayne this is news to you, but there are schools on our military bases. Daycares, hospitals, elderly care facilities, civilian housing, all located on military bases! Enough with the excuses. What we did was wrong.

Sure sure only America is wrong. Iran is never wrong. Sure. As long as you keep only trashing America it's just going to keep turning Americans off to your rhetoric. You aren't going to win anyone over.

That's not what I said. Of course if you twist my words into something ridiculous, you can make it sound ridiculous.

What I actually suggested was that what we did was wrong. Point blank. End of story. It was wrong. And as an American taxpayer living in what is supposed to be a democracy, my concern is that my money and our collective reputations are being trashed by this administration as it commits war crimes.

None of that is to say the Iranian regime is full of perfect angels. They aren't. But they are not using my money to commit their crimes. They are not trashing my reputation with their crimes. I did not elect any of them to represent me. They are not answerable to me. The American government IS. And I take great issue with the fact that we seem to have slaughtered 150 children and have yet to take accountability. Why don't you?

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, we’re never going to agree that celebrating the demise of an ideology is “wishing death on posters”. You’ve grossly overstepped on that one. Or did you also think we (as Americans) wished death on everyone behind the Iron Curtain when we celebrated the demise of Communism? Of course not.

And you’re also confusing me with other posters here, too. I didn’t post anything about anyone else’s views making the case that it’s “OK to kill kids”.

You don’t deserve further engagement, but I’ll make an exception just this once.

I DO think posters in this discussion believe our / America’s bad acts are somehow magically less “bad” than identical bad acts committed by our adversaries, though. This topic perfectly illustrates that view: the posters here lathered up over attacking Iran seem to clearly think that Iran’s involvement in the attack 43 years ago that killed 241 of our service members (who, no matter what we think about it, were legitimate target based on international humanitarian law) was far worse than what now appears to be our killing of 180 non-combatant children and teachers.

That’s sad. I think it’s pathetic. I think it reflects horribly on the morality of this nation. I don’t embrace the view that American lives have greater value than the lives of non-Americans. I think that view is diseased and needs to change. And yeah, I think that diseased view is commonly held by Zionists. And yeah, I think their ideology centered on that view deserves to end up in the dustbin of history. The world isn’t a better place for a group of individuals believing in their own superiority over all others based not on their actions, but based on the fairytale they cling to from thousands of years ago that they think ordains them superior. And I’ll stand by that view, and I make no apologies for it.

The problem with your argument isn’t mere disagreement, it’s the way you’re trying to move goalposts and rewrite what you said after the fact. You didn’t merely "celebrate the demise of an ideology." You explicitly framed your position in terms of wanting America to be “crippled” and to “die,” and now you’re pretending that was some abstract philosophical critique rather than a wish for national collapse. That’s not a misinterpretation; that’s the plain meaning of your own words and I will not let you weasel out of it. And no, invoking the fall of the Iron Curtain doesn’t rescue the comparison. Americans celebrated the end of a repressive system, not the destruction of an entire people or country. You’re trying to smuggle your rhetoric into that analogy to sanitize it, and it doesn’t hold.

Your historical framing is just as selective. Reducing four decades of brutal and violent Iranian state behavior to “one event 43 years ago” is not analysis; it’s straight up erasure. Iran’s proxies and security services have repeatedly targeted civilians, diplomats, aid workers, and infrastructure across the region. Those attacks weren’t hypothetical, and the victims weren’t abstractions. Pretending that only one incident matters while dismissing the long and extensive, proven and documented record of non‑combatant deaths caused by Iranian‑backed groups is not moral clarity; it’s moral tunnel vision. And the irony is that while you accuse others of believing American lives matter more, you’re the one minimizing the deaths of civilians when those civilians were killed by a government you've steadfastly proven yourself so determined to defend.

Finally, your attempt to universalize your own contempt by claiming to speak for "Americans" while pronouncing them "diseased" is as incoherent as it is hostile. You’ve decided and declared by magic wand that anyone who challenges your narrative must be a "Zionist," as though that label alone explains every disagreement or absolves you from engaging with the substance. That's no argument at all - it's a weak rhetorical crutch. You’re not critiquing policy; you’re pathologizing entire groups of people and then congratulating yourself for being unapologetic about it. If you want to have a serious conversation about morality, accountability, or foreign policy, then start by owning your own words and start by owning the actions of your side, instead of trying to retroactively launder and whitewash them.

As for whether you're the same poster as the one who lied claiming we said "It's OK to kill kids" - that may or may not be the case; your patterns and rhetorical style are 100% identical - whether you're the same poster or not, your style and approach is no better.

First, thank you for cleaning up that post. I’m assuming it required more than a mere reply.

Second, and you are shockingly persistent in being way off the mark on this one … I never celebrated the inevitable demise or anything of that sort related to America. Why are you intent on persisting with that false claim? I said Zionism. Do you think that Zionism and America are synonymous? Suffice it to say, I hope not. Yet you continue to misrepresent this point - why?

Third, I’m NOT the poster(s) who posted about anyone being “OK to kill kids” or “OK with killing kids” or whatever. Your linguistic skills may or may not be as attuned as you think they are, but it doesn’t really matter. You’re confusing my posts with those of others.

It seems like that’s a pattern on one side of these kinds of debates, where there’s a constant refrain from one side about there being only “one poster” opposing their views, over and over again. I guess it makes them feel better thinking that it’s just one person out there who disagrees with them, but whatever. Your essential thesis regarding my identity is dead wrong. Full stop.

Anyway, we’re not going to agree on the rest of what you wrote, so I’ll leave it at that.

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Minab martyrdom planned, by the IRGC.

Give it up with your delusional takes

All military experts and OSINT (including the CIA OSINT accounts) accounts have come to the same conclusion that the school was indeed struck by US Tomahawk missiles.

The US attacked a civilian structure. It happens. A lot.

DP

Iran having military infrastructure directly adjacent to a school is a Geneva Convention Article 58 violation. Iran deliberately and willfully did this quite a bit all throughout their cities, putting IRGC and Basij bases and facilities in dense urban areas. As did Hamas. This happened systematically throughout Iranian and Gazan cities. It was a deliberate and illegal choice that put civilians at risk.

Also, OSINT accounts DO NOT confirm there being a "deliberate double tap on a school" - aerial photos show direct hits on IRGC military targets. When one looks at Bellingcat's own geolocation analysis of the "double tap tomahawk" video, it shows the missile coming in to the left of the school, not at the school itself. And from the camera's viewpoint what''s to the left is the IRGC base. What's being portrayed as a "double tap on the school" is far more likely collateral from a legitimate IRGC target being hit. This scenario is exactly why the Geneva Conventions said military infrastructure should not be directly adjacent to civilian infrastructure.

Also, while it's fine to condemn the US for hitting civilian infrastructure, why don't you give us a comparison of how much civilian infrastructure the US hit in this campaign compared to how much civilian infrastructure Iran has hit with its missiles? What's the percentage? Do you actually believe that Iran has had precision strikes that only hit legitimate military targets, that Iran has not hit a single residential area or civilian target in the area? Iran has launched over 1000 ballistic missiles including Khorramshahr and Sejjil missiles, up to half of which contain between 24 and 80 poorly guided submunitions that disperse over a multi-KM radius which have hit hospitals, schools, residential areas, civilian infrastructure and so on. But the PP's narrative completely ignores this, instead the suggestion is Iran is an innocent victim, doing nothing to anybody, while its children are being deliberately massacred. All based on one school in a building that used to be a military facility.

Mayne this is news to you, but there are schools on our military bases. Daycares, hospitals, elderly care facilities, civilian housing, all located on military bases! Enough with the excuses. What we did was wrong.

Sure sure only America is wrong. Iran is never wrong. Sure. As long as you keep only trashing America it's just going to keep turning Americans off to your rhetoric. You aren't going to win anyone over.

Anonymous wrote:Another Mai Lai massacre. Truly a dark stain on America's soul.

We've exported murdering children in our schools. Imagine how pissed you'd be if a foreign country blew up an entire elementary school where your little Johnny and Suzie go.

I can't stand being American anymore. Constantly bombing goat herders, school kids, and civilians. Trillions down the toilet to do so while our roads and bridges fall apart, we have no high speed rail, and we have the worst healthcare in the world. We live in a disaster of a country.

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Minab martyrdom planned, by the IRGC.

Give it up with your delusional takes

All military experts and OSINT (including the CIA OSINT accounts) accounts have come to the same conclusion that the school was indeed struck by US Tomahawk missiles.

The US attacked a civilian structure. It happens. A lot.

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Iran having military infrastructure directly adjacent to a school is a Geneva Convention Article 58 violation. Iran deliberately and willfully did this quite a bit all throughout their cities, putting IRGC and Basij bases and facilities in dense urban areas. As did Hamas. This happened systematically throughout Iranian and Gazan cities. It was a deliberate and illegal choice that put civilians at risk.

Also, OSINT accounts DO NOT confirm there being a "deliberate double tap on a school" - aerial photos show direct hits on IRGC military targets. When one looks at Bellingcat's own geolocation analysis of the "double tap tomahawk" video, it shows the missile coming in to the left of the school, not at the school itself. And from the camera's viewpoint what''s to the left is the IRGC base. What's being portrayed as a "double tap on the school" is far more likely collateral from a legitimate IRGC target being hit. This scenario is exactly why the Geneva Conventions said military infrastructure should not be directly adjacent to civilian infrastructure.

Also, while it's fine to condemn the US for hitting civilian infrastructure, why don't you give us a comparison of how much civilian infrastructure the US hit in this campaign compared to how much civilian infrastructure Iran has hit with its missiles? What's the percentage? Do you actually believe that Iran has had precision strikes that only hit legitimate military targets, that Iran has not hit a single residential area or civilian target in the area? Iran has launched over 1000 ballistic missiles including Khorramshahr and Sejjil missiles, up to half of which contain between 24 and 80 poorly guided submunitions that disperse over a multi-KM radius which have hit hospitals, schools, residential areas, civilian infrastructure and so on. But the PP's narrative completely ignores this, instead the suggestion is Iran is an innocent victim, doing nothing to anybody, while its children are being deliberately massacred. All based on one school in a building that used to be a military facility.

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Anonymous wrote:Just ur routine reminder: every accusation is basically a confession.

Israeli shows Israeli school being used as military base: "The reserves are using it pretty much as a base."

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/2031575054366933401

Iran does it and you are apparently totally fine with anything Iran does so why the outrage if anyone else does it?

Also, Russia bombed hundreds of schools all throughout Ukraine and the world stood by silently and did nothing. I seriously doubt the outraged "They bombed an Iranian school" poster posted anything at all about that in any of the threads here.

I have yet to find a single major social media pundit leading the outrage commentary about Minab who also condemned the Russian bombing of schools in Ukraine for the last 5 years. Why is that?

Because you're lying and trying to deflect. Almost everyone, except for our dear leader, has condemned Russia's attacks on civilians in Ukraine.

When did the pro-Palestine people do this? When did the pro-Iran posters here do that? And I don't recall threads going on for 10 days straight over every Ukrainian school like the drumbeat here over Minab.

I can't tell you what the phantoms in your head say or explain your inability to remember events from just a few years ago. There has been widespread coverage and condemnation of Russia's attacks on schools, hospitals, and apartment buildings.

General condemnation and by other accounts, yes. But not specific condemnation by the same accounts that are currently the loudest to condemn the Minab attack.

You've created your own strawman. Get off of twitter, it's warping your mind.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, we’re never going to agree that celebrating the demise of an ideology is “wishing death on posters”. You’ve grossly overstepped on that one. Or did you also think we (as Americans) wished death on everyone behind the Iron Curtain when we celebrated the demise of Communism? Of course not.

And you’re also confusing me with other posters here, too. I didn’t post anything about anyone else’s views making the case that it’s “OK to kill kids”.

You don’t deserve further engagement, but I’ll make an exception just this once.

I DO think posters in this discussion believe our / America’s bad acts are somehow magically less “bad” than identical bad acts committed by our adversaries, though. This topic perfectly illustrates that view: the posters here lathered up over attacking Iran seem to clearly think that Iran’s involvement in the attack 43 years ago that killed 241 of our service members (who, no matter what we think about it, were legitimate target based on international humanitarian law) was far worse than what now appears to be our killing of 180 non-combatant children and teachers.

That’s sad. I think it’s pathetic. I think it reflects horribly on the morality of this nation. I don’t embrace the view that American lives have greater value than the lives of non-Americans. I think that view is diseased and needs to change. And yeah, I think that diseased view is commonly held by Zionists. And yeah, I think their ideology centered on that view deserves to end up in the dustbin of history. The world isn’t a better place for a group of individuals believing in their own superiority over all others based not on their actions, but based on the fairytale they cling to from thousands of years ago that they think ordains them superior. And I’ll stand by that view, and I make no apologies for it.

The problem with your argument isn’t mere disagreement, it’s the way you’re trying to move goalposts and rewrite what you said after the fact. You didn’t merely "celebrate the demise of an ideology." You explicitly framed your position in terms of wanting America to be “crippled” and to “die,” and now you’re pretending that was some abstract philosophical critique rather than a wish for national collapse. That’s not a misinterpretation; that’s the plain meaning of your own words and I will not let you weasel out of it. And no, invoking the fall of the Iron Curtain doesn’t rescue the comparison. Americans celebrated the end of a repressive system, not the destruction of an entire people or country. You’re trying to smuggle your rhetoric into that analogy to sanitize it, and it doesn’t hold.

Your historical framing is just as selective. Reducing four decades of brutal and violent Iranian state behavior to “one event 43 years ago” is not analysis; it’s straight up erasure. Iran’s proxies and security services have repeatedly targeted civilians, diplomats, aid workers, and infrastructure across the region. Those attacks weren’t hypothetical, and the victims weren’t abstractions. Pretending that only one incident matters while dismissing the long and extensive, proven and documented record of non‑combatant deaths caused by Iranian‑backed groups is not moral clarity; it’s moral tunnel vision. And the irony is that while you accuse others of believing American lives matter more, you’re the one minimizing the deaths of civilians when those civilians were killed by a government you've steadfastly proven yourself so determined to defend.

Finally, your attempt to universalize your own contempt by claiming to speak for "Americans" while pronouncing them "diseased" is as incoherent as it is hostile. You’ve decided and declared by magic wand that anyone who challenges your narrative must be a "Zionist," as though that label alone explains every disagreement or absolves you from engaging with the substance. That's no argument at all - it's a weak rhetorical crutch. You’re not critiquing policy; you’re pathologizing entire groups of people and then congratulating yourself for being unapologetic about it. If you want to have a serious conversation about morality, accountability, or foreign policy, then start by owning your own words and start by owning the actions of your side, instead of trying to retroactively launder and whitewash them.

As for whether you're the same poster as the one who lied claiming we said "It's OK to kill kids" - that may or may not be the case; your patterns and rhetorical style are 100% identical - whether you're the same poster or not, your style and approach is no better.