In this thread: one disgruntled, free rider trash talking the union over and over again.

Anonymous wrote:I've been a dues-paying employee for years and I don't receive any union emails.

For a few months, they were being sent to my personal email, but not anymore.

I'm essentially paying $600+ a year for insurance against getting fired.

Ummm... news flash: SEC NTEU membership does NOT include insurance against firing. NTEU will pretend to offer protections but in the end does what mgmt needs done. If your slot is needed so someone else can get promoted or for budget reduction, you're out! It's a charade.
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Anonymous wrote:Never mind. Found it in the dark web. So secretive!

(It obviously has not been circulated as much as posters say, else Reuters would have published it long ago, like they do everything else.).

It has been circulated within the SEC. And besides the majority of SEC staff are union members. The ones that aren’t obtained the decision one way or the other. The fact that you had to go on the dark web is pretty pathetic.

It was sarcasm. The fact that staff have to individually “obtain” an arbitration opinion is what’s “pathetic.”

The union wouldn’t STFU about the issue for a year, but when the decision finally comes out, it doesn’t even mention it publicly? Shady as hell.

You realize that the SEC has a copy of the decision as well? HR could have simply shared it in their email regarding the union decision.

I am confused over why you keep insisting that a union you are not part of, sends you an email? You sound like a bitter child who keeps digging in.

Have you seen the union’s webpage? It has news and updates about every other stupid thing that’s even tangentially related to federal employment. But glaringly absent is ANYTHING about the arbitration. — not even a mention, much less the opinion. It’s truly bizarre, and anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or isn’t telling the whole story. Shady AF.

I’m a little surprised that they wouldn’t post it, but I’m having trouble seeing how that’s shady. They sent it to everyone in the union and it’s not hard for others at the agency to get a copy.

Maybe there is some rule with the arbitration that it is not truly a public (as in outside the agency) document, although that would surprise me.

Since you are so troubled by them not posting it, what’s your theory? It’s all well and good to call it shady AF but how? What’s the actual agenda or angle you think they are playing here? Or do you just want to rant with your tinfoil hat on?

PP wasn’t talking about posting the OPINION. They were talking about posting the NEWS of the arbitration win. Like, perhaps in the news section of the sec nteu website. Shady AF that the website is crickets on this.

Why? The NTEU sent an email on its listserv announcing the decision. It did the same with the HHS decision. You sound like a pathetic lonely person PP. Clearly your life is so empty that you need this to obsess about.

Somebody’s a little sensitive about this. I wonder why. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. Don’t pretend it’s not weird to have a big website with News announcing every mundane silly event related to federal unions, but then failing to mention one of the biggest opinions that lots of people had been waiting for.

Why have a news section at all, if events are just emailed on the “listserve.”

Are you really this obtuse?

DP. Again join the f’in union!!! Nobody cares that you wish the website was updated for the convenience of *non-union members.*

But if you care to know - what I have heard is that union reps and the unions are slammed with work and drowning in the cases and grievances. So no, I don’t think that making sure their website is 100% up to date is something they are focused on. The news went out to the members.

To the obnoxious posters who hate unions you do actually work for the SEC, I sure hope you’re not an attorney. It is highly likely the union doesn’t want to rub the ruling in the Commission’s and Adminstration’s faces publicly as a negotiation strategy

How naive are you? There’s nothing to stop the agency from just ignoring the arbitrator’s decision and dragging it out for years. The GC at the FLRA is vacant. That’s probably why they didn’t post the news on the website — bc it’s meaningless?

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Anonymous wrote:Never mind. Found it in the dark web. So secretive!

(It obviously has not been circulated as much as posters say, else Reuters would have published it long ago, like they do everything else.).

It has been circulated within the SEC. And besides the majority of SEC staff are union members. The ones that aren’t obtained the decision one way or the other. The fact that you had to go on the dark web is pretty pathetic.

It was sarcasm. The fact that staff have to individually “obtain” an arbitration opinion is what’s “pathetic.”

The union wouldn’t STFU about the issue for a year, but when the decision finally comes out, it doesn’t even mention it publicly? Shady as hell.

You realize that the SEC has a copy of the decision as well? HR could have simply shared it in their email regarding the union decision.

I am confused over why you keep insisting that a union you are not part of, sends you an email? You sound like a bitter child who keeps digging in.

Have you seen the union’s webpage? It has news and updates about every other stupid thing that’s even tangentially related to federal employment. But glaringly absent is ANYTHING about the arbitration. — not even a mention, much less the opinion. It’s truly bizarre, and anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or isn’t telling the whole story. Shady AF.

I’m a little surprised that they wouldn’t post it, but I’m having trouble seeing how that’s shady. They sent it to everyone in the union and it’s not hard for others at the agency to get a copy.

Maybe there is some rule with the arbitration that it is not truly a public (as in outside the agency) document, although that would surprise me.

Since you are so troubled by them not posting it, what’s your theory? It’s all well and good to call it shady AF but how? What’s the actual agenda or angle you think they are playing here? Or do you just want to rant with your tinfoil hat on?

PP wasn’t talking about posting the OPINION. They were talking about posting the NEWS of the arbitration win. Like, perhaps in the news section of the sec nteu website. Shady AF that the website is crickets on this.

Why? The NTEU sent an email on its listserv announcing the decision. It did the same with the HHS decision. You sound like a pathetic lonely person PP. Clearly your life is so empty that you need this to obsess about.

Somebody’s a little sensitive about this. I wonder why. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. Don’t pretend it’s not weird to have a big website with News announcing every mundane silly event related to federal unions, but then failing to mention one of the biggest opinions that lots of people had been waiting for.

Why have a news section at all, if events are just emailed on the “listserve.”

Are you really this obtuse?

DP. Again join the f’in union!!! Nobody cares that you wish the website was updated for the convenience of *non-union members.*

But if you care to know - what I have heard is that union reps and the unions are slammed with work and drowning in the cases and grievances. So no, I don’t think that making sure their website is 100% up to date is something they are focused on. The news went out to the members.

To the obnoxious posters who hate unions you do actually work for the SEC, I sure hope you’re not an attorney. It is highly likely the union doesn’t want to rub the ruling in the Commission’s and Adminstration’s faces publicly as a negotiation strategy

That's my take as well. If there is any chance of a settlement, however small, I think a lot of publicity will lower that chance with little, if any, corresponding benefit.

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Anonymous wrote:Never mind. Found it in the dark web. So secretive!

(It obviously has not been circulated as much as posters say, else Reuters would have published it long ago, like they do everything else.).

It has been circulated within the SEC. And besides the majority of SEC staff are union members. The ones that aren’t obtained the decision one way or the other. The fact that you had to go on the dark web is pretty pathetic.

It was sarcasm. The fact that staff have to individually “obtain” an arbitration opinion is what’s “pathetic.”

The union wouldn’t STFU about the issue for a year, but when the decision finally comes out, it doesn’t even mention it publicly? Shady as hell.

You realize that the SEC has a copy of the decision as well? HR could have simply shared it in their email regarding the union decision.

I am confused over why you keep insisting that a union you are not part of, sends you an email? You sound like a bitter child who keeps digging in.

Have you seen the union’s webpage? It has news and updates about every other stupid thing that’s even tangentially related to federal employment. But glaringly absent is ANYTHING about the arbitration. — not even a mention, much less the opinion. It’s truly bizarre, and anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or isn’t telling the whole story. Shady AF.

I’m a little surprised that they wouldn’t post it, but I’m having trouble seeing how that’s shady. They sent it to everyone in the union and it’s not hard for others at the agency to get a copy.

Maybe there is some rule with the arbitration that it is not truly a public (as in outside the agency) document, although that would surprise me.

Since you are so troubled by them not posting it, what’s your theory? It’s all well and good to call it shady AF but how? What’s the actual agenda or angle you think they are playing here? Or do you just want to rant with your tinfoil hat on?

PP wasn’t talking about posting the OPINION. They were talking about posting the NEWS of the arbitration win. Like, perhaps in the news section of the sec nteu website. Shady AF that the website is crickets on this.

Why? The NTEU sent an email on its listserv announcing the decision. It did the same with the HHS decision. You sound like a pathetic lonely person PP. Clearly your life is so empty that you need this to obsess about.

Somebody’s a little sensitive about this. I wonder why. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. Don’t pretend it’s not weird to have a big website with News announcing every mundane silly event related to federal unions, but then failing to mention one of the biggest opinions that lots of people had been waiting for.

Why have a news section at all, if events are just emailed on the “listserve.”

Are you really this obtuse?

DP. Again join the f’in union!!! Nobody cares that you wish the website was updated for the convenience of *non-union members.*

But if you care to know - what I have heard is that union reps and the unions are slammed with work and drowning in the cases and grievances. So no, I don’t think that making sure their website is 100% up to date is something they are focused on. The news went out to the members.

To the obnoxious posters who hate unions you do actually work for the SEC, I sure hope you’re not an attorney. It is highly likely the union doesn’t want to rub the ruling in the Commission’s and Adminstration’s faces publicly as a negotiation strategy

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Anonymous wrote:Never mind. Found it in the dark web. So secretive!

(It obviously has not been circulated as much as posters say, else Reuters would have published it long ago, like they do everything else.).

It has been circulated within the SEC. And besides the majority of SEC staff are union members. The ones that aren’t obtained the decision one way or the other. The fact that you had to go on the dark web is pretty pathetic.

It was sarcasm. The fact that staff have to individually “obtain” an arbitration opinion is what’s “pathetic.”

The union wouldn’t STFU about the issue for a year, but when the decision finally comes out, it doesn’t even mention it publicly? Shady as hell.

You realize that the SEC has a copy of the decision as well? HR could have simply shared it in their email regarding the union decision.

I am confused over why you keep insisting that a union you are not part of, sends you an email? You sound like a bitter child who keeps digging in.

Have you seen the union’s webpage? It has news and updates about every other stupid thing that’s even tangentially related to federal employment. But glaringly absent is ANYTHING about the arbitration. — not even a mention, much less the opinion. It’s truly bizarre, and anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or isn’t telling the whole story. Shady AF.

I’m a little surprised that they wouldn’t post it, but I’m having trouble seeing how that’s shady. They sent it to everyone in the union and it’s not hard for others at the agency to get a copy.

Maybe there is some rule with the arbitration that it is not truly a public (as in outside the agency) document, although that would surprise me.

Since you are so troubled by them not posting it, what’s your theory? It’s all well and good to call it shady AF but how? What’s the actual agenda or angle you think they are playing here? Or do you just want to rant with your tinfoil hat on?

PP wasn’t talking about posting the OPINION. They were talking about posting the NEWS of the arbitration win. Like, perhaps in the news section of the sec nteu website. Shady AF that the website is crickets on this.

Why? The NTEU sent an email on its listserv announcing the decision. It did the same with the HHS decision. You sound like a pathetic lonely person PP. Clearly your life is so empty that you need this to obsess about.

Somebody’s a little sensitive about this. I wonder why. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. Don’t pretend it’s not weird to have a big website with News announcing every mundane silly event related to federal unions, but then failing to mention one of the biggest opinions that lots of people had been waiting for.

Why have a news section at all, if events are just emailed on the “listserve.”

Are you really this obtuse?

DP. Again join the f’in union!!! Nobody cares that you wish the website was updated for the convenience of *non-union members.*

But if you care to know - what I have heard is that union reps and the unions are slammed with work and drowning in the cases and grievances. So no, I don’t think that making sure their website is 100% up to date is something they are focused on. The news went out to the members.

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Anonymous wrote:Never mind. Found it in the dark web. So secretive!

(It obviously has not been circulated as much as posters say, else Reuters would have published it long ago, like they do everything else.).

It has been circulated within the SEC. And besides the majority of SEC staff are union members. The ones that aren’t obtained the decision one way or the other. The fact that you had to go on the dark web is pretty pathetic.

It was sarcasm. The fact that staff have to individually “obtain” an arbitration opinion is what’s “pathetic.”

The union wouldn’t STFU about the issue for a year, but when the decision finally comes out, it doesn’t even mention it publicly? Shady as hell.

You realize that the SEC has a copy of the decision as well? HR could have simply shared it in their email regarding the union decision.

I am confused over why you keep insisting that a union you are not part of, sends you an email? You sound like a bitter child who keeps digging in.

Have you seen the union’s webpage? It has news and updates about every other stupid thing that’s even tangentially related to federal employment. But glaringly absent is ANYTHING about the arbitration. — not even a mention, much less the opinion. It’s truly bizarre, and anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or isn’t telling the whole story. Shady AF.

I’m a little surprised that they wouldn’t post it, but I’m having trouble seeing how that’s shady. They sent it to everyone in the union and it’s not hard for others at the agency to get a copy.

Maybe there is some rule with the arbitration that it is not truly a public (as in outside the agency) document, although that would surprise me.

Since you are so troubled by them not posting it, what’s your theory? It’s all well and good to call it shady AF but how? What’s the actual agenda or angle you think they are playing here? Or do you just want to rant with your tinfoil hat on?

PP wasn’t talking about posting the OPINION. They were talking about posting the NEWS of the arbitration win. Like, perhaps in the news section of the sec nteu website. Shady AF that the website is crickets on this.

Why? The NTEU sent an email on its listserv announcing the decision. It did the same with the HHS decision. You sound like a pathetic lonely person PP. Clearly your life is so empty that you need this to obsess about.

Somebody’s a little sensitive about this. I wonder why. Don’t get your panties in a bunch. Don’t pretend it’s not weird to have a big website with News announcing every mundane silly event related to federal unions, but then failing to mention one of the biggest opinions that lots of people had been waiting for.

Why have a news section at all, if events are just emailed on the “listserve.”

Are you really this obtuse?

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Anonymous wrote:Never mind. Found it in the dark web. So secretive!

(It obviously has not been circulated as much as posters say, else Reuters would have published it long ago, like they do everything else.).

It has been circulated within the SEC. And besides the majority of SEC staff are union members. The ones that aren’t obtained the decision one way or the other. The fact that you had to go on the dark web is pretty pathetic.

It was sarcasm. The fact that staff have to individually “obtain” an arbitration opinion is what’s “pathetic.”

The union wouldn’t STFU about the issue for a year, but when the decision finally comes out, it doesn’t even mention it publicly? Shady as hell.

You realize that the SEC has a copy of the decision as well? HR could have simply shared it in their email regarding the union decision.

I am confused over why you keep insisting that a union you are not part of, sends you an email? You sound like a bitter child who keeps digging in.

Have you seen the union’s webpage? It has news and updates about every other stupid thing that’s even tangentially related to federal employment. But glaringly absent is ANYTHING about the arbitration. — not even a mention, much less the opinion. It’s truly bizarre, and anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or isn’t telling the whole story. Shady AF.

I’m a little surprised that they wouldn’t post it, but I’m having trouble seeing how that’s shady. They sent it to everyone in the union and it’s not hard for others at the agency to get a copy.

Maybe there is some rule with the arbitration that it is not truly a public (as in outside the agency) document, although that would surprise me.

Since you are so troubled by them not posting it, what’s your theory? It’s all well and good to call it shady AF but how? What’s the actual agenda or angle you think they are playing here? Or do you just want to rant with your tinfoil hat on?

PP wasn’t talking about posting the OPINION. They were talking about posting the NEWS of the arbitration win. Like, perhaps in the news section of the sec nteu website. Shady AF that the website is crickets on this.

Why? The NTEU sent an email on its listserv announcing the decision. It did the same with the HHS decision. You sound like a pathetic lonely person PP. Clearly your life is so empty that you need this to obsess about.

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Anonymous wrote:Never mind. Found it in the dark web. So secretive!

(It obviously has not been circulated as much as posters say, else Reuters would have published it long ago, like they do everything else.).

It has been circulated within the SEC. And besides the majority of SEC staff are union members. The ones that aren’t obtained the decision one way or the other. The fact that you had to go on the dark web is pretty pathetic.

It was sarcasm. The fact that staff have to individually “obtain” an arbitration opinion is what’s “pathetic.”

The union wouldn’t STFU about the issue for a year, but when the decision finally comes out, it doesn’t even mention it publicly? Shady as hell.

You realize that the SEC has a copy of the decision as well? HR could have simply shared it in their email regarding the union decision.

I am confused over why you keep insisting that a union you are not part of, sends you an email? You sound like a bitter child who keeps digging in.

Have you seen the union’s webpage? It has news and updates about every other stupid thing that’s even tangentially related to federal employment. But glaringly absent is ANYTHING about the arbitration. — not even a mention, much less the opinion. It’s truly bizarre, and anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or isn’t telling the whole story. Shady AF.

I’m a little surprised that they wouldn’t post it, but I’m having trouble seeing how that’s shady. They sent it to everyone in the union and it’s not hard for others at the agency to get a copy.

Maybe there is some rule with the arbitration that it is not truly a public (as in outside the agency) document, although that would surprise me.

Since you are so troubled by them not posting it, what’s your theory? It’s all well and good to call it shady AF but how? What’s the actual agenda or angle you think they are playing here? Or do you just want to rant with your tinfoil hat on?

PP wasn’t talking about posting the OPINION. They were talking about posting the NEWS of the arbitration win. Like, perhaps in the news section of the sec nteu website. Shady AF that the website is crickets on this.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been a dues-paying employee for years and I don't receive any union emails.

For a few months, they were being sent to my personal email, but not anymore.

I'm essentially paying $600+ a year for insurance against getting fired.

You pay $600/yr?! NP not the one arguing - at the SEC 10 yrs and never joined - I mean $6000 saved isn’t nothing?! I mean what do you really get - I’m still BU so I get what everyone else gets. No I haven’t seen the telework opinion but I don’t particularly care - PA will do what he does whether I read the opinion or not. As for being fired - if you needed union representation bc something came up you could join the union then - and have saved $600/yr for whoever long you’ve been w the agency.

If everyone did what you do (free riding) there would be no union. It's like asking why you should pay taxes when you only need the fire department sometimes.

You earn a nonstandard salary the union negotiated, of which the dues (I believe it's sliding scale?) is a tiny drop. Join or don't, but the whining about dues is pathetic.

Paying taxes are required. Union dues are voluntary. Big difference there.

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Anonymous wrote:I've been a dues-paying employee for years and I don't receive any union emails.

For a few months, they were being sent to my personal email, but not anymore.

I'm essentially paying $600+ a year for insurance against getting fired.

You pay $600/yr?! NP not the one arguing - at the SEC 10 yrs and never joined - I mean $6000 saved isn’t nothing?! I mean what do you really get - I’m still BU so I get what everyone else gets. No I haven’t seen the telework opinion but I don’t particularly care - PA will do what he does whether I read the opinion or not. As for being fired - if you needed union representation bc something came up you could join the union then - and have saved $600/yr for whoever long you’ve been w the agency.

If everyone did what you do (free riding) there would be no union. It's like asking why you should pay taxes when you only need the fire department sometimes.

You earn a nonstandard salary the union negotiated, of which the dues (I believe it's sliding scale?) is a tiny drop. Join or don't, but the whining about dues is pathetic.

Anonymous wrote:I've been a dues-paying employee for years and I don't receive any union emails.

For a few months, they were being sent to my personal email, but not anymore.

I'm essentially paying $600+ a year for insurance against getting fired.

You pay $600/yr?! NP not the one arguing - at the SEC 10 yrs and never joined - I mean $6000 saved isn’t nothing?! I mean what do you really get - I’m still BU so I get what everyone else gets. No I haven’t seen the telework opinion but I don’t particularly care - PA will do what he does whether I read the opinion or not. As for being fired - if you needed union representation bc something came up you could join the union then - and have saved $600/yr for whoever long you’ve been w the agency.

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Anonymous wrote:Never mind. Found it in the dark web. So secretive!

(It obviously has not been circulated as much as posters say, else Reuters would have published it long ago, like they do everything else.).

It has been circulated within the SEC. And besides the majority of SEC staff are union members. The ones that aren’t obtained the decision one way or the other. The fact that you had to go on the dark web is pretty pathetic.

It was sarcasm. The fact that staff have to individually “obtain” an arbitration opinion is what’s “pathetic.”

The union wouldn’t STFU about the issue for a year, but when the decision finally comes out, it doesn’t even mention it publicly? Shady as hell.

Give it up!!!

Shhhhh!! It’s secret. It’s sensitive. Don’t post anything about a publicly known arbitration. Shhhhh!

What a bunch of dorks.

It’s not secret dumb*ss. It was sent to all union members and if you had any shred of social skills you would just ask a colleague to send it to you. Or, you know, join the freakin’ union like normal people do.

Don’t be angry. You’ll likely be removed from the bargaining unit anyway when you’re reclassified under Sch F, and all those union dues you paid for years will have been totally wasted.

But at least you got your advance copy of the arbitration decision! Only cost you $15,000 in dues.

Weird flex to hold up Schedule F as some kind of way to p0wn the union. Who do you think will fight Schedule F in court and lead the effort to reverse it once Trump is gone?

You have some kind of personality issue going on. You hate the union because you feel like they are “mean girls” yet you desperately want to be first on the list when the “mean girls” have a party. If only you could accept that the existence of the union isn’t some kind of threat to you, then you could just, you know, join the union like the rest of us and get access to all of the info, and also pay your fair share for the benefits of the union, then you would be much happier. But this would threaten your identity as being “too cool for the union.” 🤷

Anonymous wrote:I've been a dues-paying employee for years and I don't receive any union emails.

For a few months, they were being sent to my personal email, but not anymore.

I'm essentially paying $600+ a year for insurance against getting fired.

That’s pretty much what a union is…

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Anonymous wrote:Never mind. Found it in the dark web. So secretive!

(It obviously has not been circulated as much as posters say, else Reuters would have published it long ago, like they do everything else.).

It has been circulated within the SEC. And besides the majority of SEC staff are union members. The ones that aren’t obtained the decision one way or the other. The fact that you had to go on the dark web is pretty pathetic.

It was sarcasm. The fact that staff have to individually “obtain” an arbitration opinion is what’s “pathetic.”

The union wouldn’t STFU about the issue for a year, but when the decision finally comes out, it doesn’t even mention it publicly? Shady as hell.

You realize that the SEC has a copy of the decision as well? HR could have simply shared it in their email regarding the union decision.

I am confused over why you keep insisting that a union you are not part of, sends you an email? You sound like a bitter child who keeps digging in.

Have you seen the union’s webpage? It has news and updates about every other stupid thing that’s even tangentially related to federal employment. But glaringly absent is ANYTHING about the arbitration. — not even a mention, much less the opinion. It’s truly bizarre, and anyone who says otherwise has an agenda or isn’t telling the whole story. Shady AF.

I’m a little surprised that they wouldn’t post it, but I’m having trouble seeing how that’s shady. They sent it to everyone in the union and it’s not hard for others at the agency to get a copy.

Maybe there is some rule with the arbitration that it is not truly a public (as in outside the agency) document, although that would surprise me.

Since you are so troubled by them not posting it, what’s your theory? It’s all well and good to call it shady AF but how? What’s the actual agenda or angle you think they are playing here? Or do you just want to rant with your tinfoil hat on?