Anonymous
07/20/2025 11:47
Subject: Why the push for accelerated math?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In many developing Asian countries, public high schools just can’t afford to track students by ability, especially when classes often have teacher to student ratio of 1:40 to 60. Everyone has to go through the same math class, with no option to choose different levels, like gened or honors dont exist. The curriculum is the same for all, and it usually includes advanced topics like calculus and statistics. Unlike the U.S., where public schools have billions of dollars in budget and can support differentiated learning, most asian countries just don’t have the financial resources. Whether a student is struggling or excelling doesnt matter, they’re all taught the same material, which is equivalent to slightly more than honors level in US. A lot of students there graduate with just a C or D in math, but a good number still manage to get an A—which, in many cases, means scoring 70% or higher.
It’s not about total cost it’s about percent of GDP allocated to education to correct for purchasing power.
In any case, the issue is the educational system is more centralized in Asian countries while in US it is more flexible, which I think is better for most students.
And yet these other countries seem to outperform the US on measures of academic progress.
In some rankings like Pisa that nobody cares about. When it comes to universities nobody wants to go to Asian institutions.
Wait, you think students want to come the the USA because our public education system is so frakking good? They're here because american diplomas lead to american jobs. That's why they come here.
They are not coming here to surround themselves with the products of american public education.
Also about 10-15% of the student body at the top schools in asia are foreign students.
It’s not like the public education in China, Japan or Korea is amazing. In fact I’d much prefer the US (public) system instead. At least there no cram schools until midnight, widespread mental health issues, and tremendous financial burden on families from education expenses.
Too 10-20% kids in US are better prepared, with more advanced coursework, and more rigorous classes. Since we’re on the topic of math, It’s unheard of anyone in those countries to take Multivariable, linear algebra differential equations in high school.
In the end the Asian kids going to US colleges are surrounded by “products” of American education, and let me tell you this, the Asian kids are not better. Too much reliance in rote memorization, terrible work ethic, widespread cheating, poor social skills. Not everyone is like that, but it’s a consistent pattern.
Anonymous
07/20/2025 00:19
Subject: Why the push for accelerated math?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In many developing Asian countries, public high schools just can’t afford to track students by ability, especially when classes often have teacher to student ratio of 1:40 to 60. Everyone has to go through the same math class, with no option to choose different levels, like gened or honors dont exist. The curriculum is the same for all, and it usually includes advanced topics like calculus and statistics. Unlike the U.S., where public schools have billions of dollars in budget and can support differentiated learning, most asian countries just don’t have the financial resources. Whether a student is struggling or excelling doesnt matter, they’re all taught the same material, which is equivalent to slightly more than honors level in US. A lot of students there graduate with just a C or D in math, but a good number still manage to get an A—which, in many cases, means scoring 70% or higher.
It’s not about total cost it’s about percent of GDP allocated to education to correct for purchasing power.
In any case, the issue is the educational system is more centralized in Asian countries while in US it is more flexible, which I think is better for most students.
And yet these other countries seem to outperform the US on measures of academic progress.
In some rankings like Pisa that nobody cares about. When it comes to universities nobody wants to go to Asian institutions.
Wait, you think students want to come the the USA because our public education system is so frakking good? They're here because american diplomas lead to american jobs. That's why they come here.
They are not coming here to surround themselves with the products of american public education.
Also about 10-15% of the student body at the top schools in asia are foreign students.
Anonymous
07/19/2025 20:16
Subject: Why the push for accelerated math?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In many developing Asian countries, public high schools just can’t afford to track students by ability, especially when classes often have teacher to student ratio of 1:40 to 60. Everyone has to go through the same math class, with no option to choose different levels, like gened or honors dont exist. The curriculum is the same for all, and it usually includes advanced topics like calculus and statistics. Unlike the U.S., where public schools have billions of dollars in budget and can support differentiated learning, most asian countries just don’t have the financial resources. Whether a student is struggling or excelling doesnt matter, they’re all taught the same material, which is equivalent to slightly more than honors level in US. A lot of students there graduate with just a C or D in math, but a good number still manage to get an A—which, in many cases, means scoring 70% or higher.
It’s not about total cost it’s about percent of GDP allocated to education to correct for purchasing power.
In any case, the issue is the educational system is more centralized in Asian countries while in US it is more flexible, which I think is better for most students.
And yet these other countries seem to outperform the US on measures of academic progress.
In some rankings like Pisa that nobody cares about. When it comes to universities nobody wants to go to Asian institutions.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 17:42
Subject: Why the push for accelerated math?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In many developing Asian countries, public high schools just can’t afford to track students by ability, especially when classes often have teacher to student ratio of 1:40 to 60. Everyone has to go through the same math class, with no option to choose different levels, like gened or honors dont exist. The curriculum is the same for all, and it usually includes advanced topics like calculus and statistics. Unlike the U.S., where public schools have billions of dollars in budget and can support differentiated learning, most asian countries just don’t have the financial resources. Whether a student is struggling or excelling doesnt matter, they’re all taught the same material, which is equivalent to slightly more than honors level in US. A lot of students there graduate with just a C or D in math, but a good number still manage to get an A—which, in many cases, means scoring 70% or higher.
It’s not about total cost it’s about percent of GDP allocated to education to correct for purchasing power.
In any case, the issue is the educational system is more centralized in Asian countries while in US it is more flexible, which I think is better for most students.
And yet these other countries seem to outperform the US on measures of academic progress.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 13:41
Subject: Why the push for accelerated math?
Anonymous wrote:In many developing Asian countries, public high schools just can’t afford to track students by ability, especially when classes often have teacher to student ratio of 1:40 to 60. Everyone has to go through the same math class, with no option to choose different levels, like gened or honors dont exist. The curriculum is the same for all, and it usually includes advanced topics like calculus and statistics. Unlike the U.S., where public schools have billions of dollars in budget and can support differentiated learning, most asian countries just don’t have the financial resources. Whether a student is struggling or excelling doesnt matter, they’re all taught the same material, which is equivalent to slightly more than honors level in US. A lot of students there graduate with just a C or D in math, but a good number still manage to get an A—which, in many cases, means scoring 70% or higher.
It’s not about total cost it’s about percent of GDP allocated to education to correct for purchasing power.
In any case, the issue is the educational system is more centralized in Asian countries while in US it is more flexible, which I think is better for most students.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 01:25
Subject: Why the push for accelerated math?
In many developing Asian countries, public high schools just can’t afford to track students by ability, especially when classes often have teacher to student ratio of 1:40 to 60. Everyone has to go through the same math class, with no option to choose different levels, like gened or honors dont exist. The curriculum is the same for all, and it usually includes advanced topics like calculus and statistics. Unlike the U.S., where public schools have billions of dollars in budget and can support differentiated learning, most asian countries just don’t have the financial resources. Whether a student is struggling or excelling doesnt matter, they’re all taught the same material, which is equivalent to slightly more than honors level in US. A lot of students there graduate with just a C or D in math, but a good number still manage to get an A—which, in many cases, means scoring 70% or higher.