Anonymous
03/03/2025 16:19
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.
Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.
Preexisting conditions?
Let's pretend the child had diabetes. What is your next step, after obtaining that information? I'm genuinely confused about why you need this information.
I'm not the anti-vax PP you were responding to but I came to this thread to figure out why I'm seeing people online talk about this child who died.
They seem to be saying the child who died of measles, actually was hospitalized with RSV AND Pneumonia as well and then picked up measles in the hospital.
I've seen that two places now. But they won't cite their source of that information. I came here to see if anyone was also saying that? But apparently not.
Anyhow - that's what is going around the anti-vax, measles isn't that big a deal TikTok world - the child had "pre existing conditions" of RSV and Pneumonio, and then acquired measles while in the hospital. So they didn't die "of measles".
Even *if* that information were true (again - no source for it) -- STILL -- they would have died of the measles. Because a sick child in the hospital should not be getting measles - which could kill him in his weakened state. That's exactly why you vaccinate your kids - so if they are sick with other things, vaccine preventable diseases don't kill them.
This is what people don’t seem to understand.
What you don't understand is that pneumonia is deadly in and of its own. In fact it's very dangerous for you to not understand it because vaccination against respiratory viruses isn't going to guarantee protection from bacterial pneumonia that can kill you. You should always get an xray after you feel like you cannot get better fast enough from a bad respiratory virus case and not count on it to go away on its own. Antibiotics are effective and save lives if diagnosed early enough. Most people dying from flu die from pneumonia that gets too advanced. it's likely RSV that's created this complication . RSV vaccine is not mandatory.
Anyway, vast majority of kids are vaccinated, mine too and I am not worried. I am still trying to find out why all of you are so worried given that I am pretty sure your kids are vaccinated?
Studies show we need 95%, but the antivaxxers are pushing us below that number increasing risk.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 16:14
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/what-to-know-about-measles-and-vaccines
Information about measles from Johns Hopkins
Is measles dangerous?
Yes. Here in the U.S., about 1 in 5 unvaccinated people will require hospitalization from measles. In 2024, that rate was even higher—about 40% of people with measles were hospitalized. Measles can also lead to more severe issues, including pneumonia, encephalitis, brain damage, and pregnancy complications. Complications of measles can occur in anyone, including in healthy children and adults.
Scientists have found that measles wipes out the body’s memory of bacteria and viruses. This weakens your immune system, making you more likely to get sick from other diseases. This effect can last for years."
Another thing to consider: if you or your child has recently had COVID, your immune system may be weaker than normal.
Insurance should not pay for hospitalization of unvaccinated children.
If insurance doesn't pay then we, the taxpayers pay. ERs cannot turn away uninsured patients, at least in some hospitals that receive public funding. So, what do you propose exactly? Let's unpack your opinion here..
What you really suggest is that ERs should turn away children whose vaccination status cannot be determined (because undetermined is classified as unvaxxed). Unless vaccine passports are mandatory and have to be present on each person every time it's impossible to impose the rule you want. Also, you cannot test for titers to see if one is immune as you say this test take a long time. What is it that you want?
Anonymous
03/03/2025 16:08
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?
Viral shedding?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895
"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."
we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.
While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)
"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"
In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.
I thought they meant viral shedding from an active infection.
My interpretation - and there was a prior post that was also deleted, saying DCUM can't handle a conversation on viral shedding - is that they are referring to the medically and scientifically unfounded conspiracy belief that vaccine induced viral shedding has caused this outbreak. The separate person with deleted posts about PCR detection may be the same person and would be implying that it's a fake outbreak due to over-sensitive PCR tests detecting measles DNA in those recently vaccinated (but that would be inaccurate because the health dept has confirmed that this is wild type measles). Furthermore, per research cited above, viral shedding of attenuated vaccine derived virus has NOT been associated with transmission/contagiousness.
But no matter what, conspiracy theorists will believe what they want regardless of actual published medical research, and probably just decide not to believe the TX health dept because they LIKE believing conspiracy theories.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 16:04
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?
I don't think DCUM is ready for this conversation..
What, measles shedding causing infection of OTHERS from being vaxxed?
1) While yes, those recently vaccinated with MMR can shed measles as shown in assorted research ofn this, it's of scant quantity (i.e. requires high "cycle times" for lab equipment to even detect it on a nasal specimen)
2) The shedding of vaccine derived measles, a weakened/attenuated virus, is generally NOT contagious nor associated with outbreak nor this particular outbreak
3) Researchers can discern which type of measles it is (wild type vs vaccine derived) and the outbreak (in a community with known poor vaccine uptake) is not related to measles vaccination. Texas Health Dept actually tested this and found the measles is associated with D8 - known wild type, not from a vaccine.
STOP GETTING YOUR SCIENCE INFORMATION FROM NON-SCIENTIFIC SOURCES! IF YOU LIST CHILDREN'S HEALTH DEFENSE OR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WE CAN ASSUME YOU NEVER TOOK A RESEARCH/STATISTICS/CRITICAL THINKING CLASS IN YOUR LIFE.
Also, please seek help:
https://www.addictioncenter.com/behavioral-addictions/conspiracy-theory-addiction/
What do you know about PCR testing?
Are you trying to go down the in foil conspiracy road of saying that these TX cases are related to over-detection from sensitive PCR tests after some sort of mass-vaccination occurrence in a community which has a notably low vaccine rate AND in which the specimens have been confirmed by the TX health dept to be wild type, so NOT vaccine derived?
The problem is, I can engage with you, but there is literally NO EVIDENCE that will EVER convince you that the MMR is safe and preferable to the disease. And if you believe that this is some sort of government conspiracy to encourage vaccination, again, there is literally NOTHING that will convince you otherwise. Ask yourself, does it matter what evidence exists? Or will you just move the goalposts?
I can answer for you: You will move the goal posts.
Again, go here. You need help.
https://www.addictioncenter.com/behavioral-addictions/conspiracy-theory-addiction/
Anonymous
03/03/2025 16:03
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/what-to-know-about-measles-and-vaccines
Information about measles from Johns Hopkins
Is measles dangerous?
Yes. Here in the U.S., about 1 in 5 unvaccinated people will require hospitalization from measles. In 2024, that rate was even higher—about 40% of people with measles were hospitalized. Measles can also lead to more severe issues, including pneumonia, encephalitis, brain damage, and pregnancy complications. Complications of measles can occur in anyone, including in healthy children and adults.
Scientists have found that measles wipes out the body’s memory of bacteria and viruses. This weakens your immune system, making you more likely to get sick from other diseases. This effect can last for years."
Another thing to consider: if you or your child has recently had COVID, your immune system may be weaker than normal.
Insurance should not pay for hospitalization of unvaccinated children.
Oh, here we go again! Hypocrites at their best and one of the reasons we are enjoying current administration. You really deserve what's happening now. And you will never win because of the vile rhetoric like this.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 16:02
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?
Viral shedding?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895
"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."
we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.
While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)
"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"
In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.
I thought they meant viral shedding from an active infection.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 16:02
Subject: Re:Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
The Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs at HHS has resigned over disagreements with RFK Jr. and his approach to the measles outbreak.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/03/top-hhs-spokesperson-quits-00207000
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/03/top-hhs-spokesperson-quits-00207000
Anonymous
03/03/2025 15:55
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/health/measles-montgomery-county-pennsylvania-unvaccinated-child/4122726/
Measles case confirmed in Philadelphia. Child waited at pediatrician's office for 3 hours. Measles droplets can stay in the air for two hours after a person with an infection is the room.
Too bad people thing wearing a mask is worse than getting a potentially deadly or crippling disease.
Let them die. I am sick of idiots who refuse to vaccinate their children and then come crying when child is ill and needs medical care or hospitalization!
Please keep in mind that you do not know the age of this particular child, who may simply not have been old enough to have been vaccinated when they ended up at the pediatrician's office with the infection.
One needs to be vaccinated BEFORE getting measles not after.
OMG for the fiftieth time, babies under 1 year old CANNOT BE VACCINATED.
I was picking up prescriptions at CVS and popped into the Minute Clinic to get my titers checked to see if I need an MMR booster. Took ten minutes.
NP actually not true. Six months and over. The reason we wait till one in American is that until recently people didn't need to worry about EFFING MEASLES.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 15:51
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/health/measles-montgomery-county-pennsylvania-unvaccinated-child/4122726/
Measles case confirmed in Philadelphia. Child waited at pediatrician's office for 3 hours. Measles droplets can stay in the air for two hours after a person with an infection is the room.
Too bad people thing wearing a mask is worse than getting a potentially deadly or crippling disease.
Let them die. I am sick of idiots who refuse to vaccinate their children and then come crying when child is ill and needs medical care or hospitalization!
Please keep in mind that you do not know the age of this particular child, who may simply not have been old enough to have been vaccinated when they ended up at the pediatrician's office with the infection.
One needs to be vaccinated BEFORE getting measles not after.
OMG for the fiftieth time, babies under 1 year old CANNOT BE VACCINATED.
I was picking up prescriptions at CVS and popped into the Minute Clinic to get my titers checked to see if I need an MMR booster. Took ten minutes.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 15:43
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/health/measles-montgomery-county-pennsylvania-unvaccinated-child/4122726/
Measles case confirmed in Philadelphia. Child waited at pediatrician's office for 3 hours. Measles droplets can stay in the air for two hours after a person with an infection is the room.
Too bad people thing wearing a mask is worse than getting a potentially deadly or crippling disease.
Let them die. I am sick of idiots who refuse to vaccinate their children and then come crying when child is ill and needs medical care or hospitalization!
Please keep in mind that you do not know the age of this particular child, who may simply not have been old enough to have been vaccinated when they ended up at the pediatrician's office with the infection.
One needs to be vaccinated BEFORE getting measles not after.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 14:59
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/health/measles-montgomery-county-pennsylvania-unvaccinated-child/4122726/
Measles case confirmed in Philadelphia. Child waited at pediatrician's office for 3 hours. Measles droplets can stay in the air for two hours after a person with an infection is the room.
Too bad people thing wearing a mask is worse than getting a potentially deadly or crippling disease.
Let them die. I am sick of idiots who refuse to vaccinate their children and then come crying when child is ill and needs medical care or hospitalization!
Please keep in mind that you do not know the age of this particular child, who may simply not have been old enough to have been vaccinated when they ended up at the pediatrician's office with the infection.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 14:57
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/health/measles-montgomery-county-pennsylvania-unvaccinated-child/4122726/
Measles case confirmed in Philadelphia. Child waited at pediatrician's office for 3 hours. Measles droplets can stay in the air for two hours after a person with an infection is the room.
Too bad people thing wearing a mask is worse than getting a potentially deadly or crippling disease.
Let them die. I am sick of idiots who refuse to vaccinate their children and then come crying when child is ill and needs medical care or hospitalization!
Anonymous
03/03/2025 14:56
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?
Viral shedding?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0264410X16300895
"There is no documented evidence of measles vaccine virus transmission."
we may need this in capital letters for the nutjob that posted that prior comment.
While yes, scant attenuated measles virus can be isolated from someone recently vaccinated for up to a few weeks after vaccination, with very high cycle times (meaning the lab equipment repeatedly looks for the virus and keeps cycling over and over again - the higher the cycle time, the less virus is present)
"THERE IS NO DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE OF MEASLES VACCINE VIRUS TRANSMISSION"
In other words, the verrrrrrry tiny bit of weakened vaccine derived virus shed by a person recently vaccinated does not actually lead to infection of others in the real world.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 14:54
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2025/what-to-know-about-measles-and-vaccines
Information about measles from Johns Hopkins
Is measles dangerous?
Yes. Here in the U.S., about 1 in 5 unvaccinated people will require hospitalization from measles. In 2024, that rate was even higher—about 40% of people with measles were hospitalized. Measles can also lead to more severe issues, including pneumonia, encephalitis, brain damage, and pregnancy complications. Complications of measles can occur in anyone, including in healthy children and adults.
Scientists have found that measles wipes out the body’s memory of bacteria and viruses. This weakens your immune system, making you more likely to get sick from other diseases. This effect can last for years."
Another thing to consider: if you or your child has recently had COVID, your immune system may be weaker than normal.
Insurance should not pay for hospitalization of unvaccinated children.
Anonymous
03/03/2025 14:50
Subject: Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone here informed about “shedding”?
I don't think DCUM is ready for this conversation..
What, measles shedding causing infection of OTHERS from being vaxxed?
1) While yes, those recently vaccinated with MMR can shed measles as shown in assorted research ofn this, it's of scant quantity (i.e. requires high "cycle times" for lab equipment to even detect it on a nasal specimen)
2) The shedding of vaccine derived measles, a weakened/attenuated virus, is generally NOT contagious nor associated with outbreak nor this particular outbreak
3) Researchers can discern which type of measles it is (wild type vs vaccine derived) and the outbreak (in a community with known poor vaccine uptake) is not related to measles vaccination. Texas Health Dept actually tested this and found the measles is associated with D8 - known wild type, not from a vaccine.
STOP GETTING YOUR SCIENCE INFORMATION FROM NON-SCIENTIFIC SOURCES! IF YOU LIST CHILDREN'S HEALTH DEFENSE OR ANYONE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, WE CAN ASSUME YOU NEVER TOOK A RESEARCH/STATISTICS/CRITICAL THINKING CLASS IN YOUR LIFE.
Also, please seek help:
https://www.addictioncenter.com/behavioral-addictions/conspiracy-theory-addiction/