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Anonymous wrote:Elon and the Breakfast Club have been working all weekend stopping payments to things they don't like - ie, the poor Lutherans (and apparently some of those are block grants for foster kids care - oh well).

So tomorrow the SHTF when people find their money is cut off. Also, we know they're firing 70% of OPM and 30% of the rest of the government.

Any court orders that are issued will be ignored - tomorrow I believe the judge is to rule on the TRO for the grant funding. I consider that the true "Constitutional crisis moment."

And who knows what ICE is planning.

Hence the barricades in front of the White House. They WANT people to protest so Trump can declare an emergency and put military on the streets.

Is Musk stopping payments? Or just tweeting about them?

If he is stopping authorized payments, then he cannot do that. No matter how not-DOGE they are.

Why can't he do that? Who will stop him?

Congress could. If they won't, the courts can and will. In this country, our court system is the most powerful of the 3 branches. Project 2025 talks about overturning Marbury v Madison - but that's just talk and they cannot do it without a lot of consent from everyone else. Which they won't get.

Other countries may be set up differently. But this is how we are set up and it has worked well for us. We will find out soon if it will continue working well. Fwiw, I think it will, DH thinks it won't.

The protections we've relied upon take time. Musk could funnel billions into his pocket for "efficiency" in minutes.

The Judiciary has no means of enforcement. And at least two members of SCOTUS have been bought.

I'm glad you have faith. I hope you're right.

His access is “Read only” at this point.

How can you possibly know or guarantee he only has read-only access? The system owners have been locked out of the system and no longer have control or insight to know what access Musk has, or what he's in there doing.

Musk has been out there trumpeting about CANCELLING billions in funds. Doesn't sound like "read only."

Love seeing the FAA on there.

It's not like we haven't had a domestic plane crash/disaster each day for the past week or anything.

Absolute froot loop dinguses.

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Anonymous wrote:Elon and the Breakfast Club have been working all weekend stopping payments to things they don't like - ie, the poor Lutherans (and apparently some of those are block grants for foster kids care - oh well).

So tomorrow the SHTF when people find their money is cut off. Also, we know they're firing 70% of OPM and 30% of the rest of the government.

Any court orders that are issued will be ignored - tomorrow I believe the judge is to rule on the TRO for the grant funding. I consider that the true "Constitutional crisis moment."

And who knows what ICE is planning.

Hence the barricades in front of the White House. They WANT people to protest so Trump can declare an emergency and put military on the streets.

Is Musk stopping payments? Or just tweeting about them?

If he is stopping authorized payments, then he cannot do that. No matter how not-DOGE they are.

Why can't he do that? Who will stop him?

Congress could. If they won't, the courts can and will. In this country, our court system is the most powerful of the 3 branches. Project 2025 talks about overturning Marbury v Madison - but that's just talk and they cannot do it without a lot of consent from everyone else. Which they won't get.

Other countries may be set up differently. But this is how we are set up and it has worked well for us. We will find out soon if it will continue working well. Fwiw, I think it will, DH thinks it won't.

The protections we've relied upon take time. Musk could funnel billions into his pocket for "efficiency" in minutes.

The Judiciary has no means of enforcement. And at least two members of SCOTUS have been bought.

I'm glad you have faith. I hope you're right.

His access is “Read only” at this point.

How can you possibly know or guarantee he only has read-only access? The system owners have been locked out of the system and no longer have control or insight to know what access Musk has, or what he's in there doing.

Musk has been out there trumpeting about CANCELLING billions in funds. Doesn't sound like "read only."

America’s heartland will be pleased about the ag cuts. /s

And why so little from defense?

“Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts sent a letter on Monday to Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent demanding answers for why the so-called Department of Government Efficiency was granted access to the federal payments system, giving Elon Musk and his team a powerful tool that could be used to track and potentially limit government spending.

The letter is a sign of mounting outrage among Democrats over the unorthodox efforts that the Trump administration and Mr. Musk are preparing to take control of how congressionally approved funds are spent. The questions come after a career civil servant named David Lebryk abruptly resigned on Friday after requests to grant Mr. Musk’s lieutenants access to Treasury’s payment system.“


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/03/us/politics/warren-bessent-treasury-musk-doge.html?unlocked_article_code=1.uE4.TnKd.orjet1OEEZR-&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0eb90w3OGJfhvtlKB6mnEEyVgkZPgLIBCy9BJp35PhVN0RyUMNJl2Kia0_aem_TpTUpl9nMAhV9M1B_WV_cQ

So, now that Musk is in charge at Treasury, what is he going to do about managing the outflow so as to prolong funds before the impact of the debt ceiling hits?

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Anonymous wrote:According to this article it’s read only with “supervised access”

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/elon-musks-doge-getting-access-to-payment-system-that-doles-out-trillions-to-americans-5625adf0?st=VyVTmp&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1FXSa1tryV3N9SrAxFxNevyh19HrM8TVFf8X8j3J_70hwAS4T9az2AThE_aem_mHJupnQnLjZWMcA1N9OeyA

Granted this could change but we need to play the long game. Just my opinion

“A person familiar with the arrangement said DOGE representatives won’t have direct authority to stop individual payments or make other changes, describing their access as “read only.” Bessent approved the arrangement on the condition that the DOGE representatives’ activity be documented and monitored. DOGE representatives intend to review the overall efficiency of the payment system, the person said”

The SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY Bessent should issue a public statement to this effect. But it's not really true and he's not really the boss, right?

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Anonymous wrote:According to this article it’s read only with “supervised access”

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/elon-musks-doge-getting-access-to-payment-system-that-doles-out-trillions-to-americans-5625adf0?st=VyVTmp&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1FXSa1tryV3N9SrAxFxNevyh19HrM8TVFf8X8j3J_70hwAS4T9az2AThE_aem_mHJupnQnLjZWMcA1N9OeyA

Granted this could change but we need to play the long game. Just my opinion

Whoever is supervising his access is doing a lousy job - permitting all this tweeting.

Totally agree!!! So unprofessional and just trying to create panic, it seems like.

Anonymous wrote:According to this article it’s read only with “supervised access”

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/elon-musks-doge-getting-access-to-payment-system-that-doles-out-trillions-to-americans-5625adf0?st=VyVTmp&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1FXSa1tryV3N9SrAxFxNevyh19HrM8TVFf8X8j3J_70hwAS4T9az2AThE_aem_mHJupnQnLjZWMcA1N9OeyA

Granted this could change but we need to play the long game. Just my opinion

“A person familiar with the arrangement said DOGE representatives won’t have direct authority to stop individual payments or make other changes, describing their access as “read only.” Bessent approved the arrangement on the condition that the DOGE representatives’ activity be documented and monitored. DOGE representatives intend to review the overall efficiency of the payment system, the person said”

Anonymous wrote:According to this article it’s read only with “supervised access”

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/elon-musks-doge-getting-access-to-payment-system-that-doles-out-trillions-to-americans-5625adf0?st=VyVTmp&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1FXSa1tryV3N9SrAxFxNevyh19HrM8TVFf8X8j3J_70hwAS4T9az2AThE_aem_mHJupnQnLjZWMcA1N9OeyA

Granted this could change but we need to play the long game. Just my opinion

Whoever is supervising his access is doing a lousy job - permitting all this tweeting.

According to this article it’s read only with “supervised access”

https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/elon-musks-doge-getting-access-to-payment-system-that-doles-out-trillions-to-americans-5625adf0?st=VyVTmp&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1FXSa1tryV3N9SrAxFxNevyh19HrM8TVFf8X8j3J_70hwAS4T9az2AThE_aem_mHJupnQnLjZWMcA1N9OeyA

Granted this could change but we need to play the long game. Just my opinion

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Anonymous wrote:Elon and the Breakfast Club have been working all weekend stopping payments to things they don't like - ie, the poor Lutherans (and apparently some of those are block grants for foster kids care - oh well).

So tomorrow the SHTF when people find their money is cut off. Also, we know they're firing 70% of OPM and 30% of the rest of the government.

Any court orders that are issued will be ignored - tomorrow I believe the judge is to rule on the TRO for the grant funding. I consider that the true "Constitutional crisis moment."

And who knows what ICE is planning.

Hence the barricades in front of the White House. They WANT people to protest so Trump can declare an emergency and put military on the streets.

Is Musk stopping payments? Or just tweeting about them?

If he is stopping authorized payments, then he cannot do that. No matter how not-DOGE they are.

Why can't he do that? Who will stop him?

Congress could. If they won't, the courts can and will. In this country, our court system is the most powerful of the 3 branches. Project 2025 talks about overturning Marbury v Madison - but that's just talk and they cannot do it without a lot of consent from everyone else. Which they won't get.

Other countries may be set up differently. But this is how we are set up and it has worked well for us. We will find out soon if it will continue working well. Fwiw, I think it will, DH thinks it won't.

The protections we've relied upon take time. Musk could funnel billions into his pocket for "efficiency" in minutes.

The Judiciary has no means of enforcement. And at least two members of SCOTUS have been bought.

I'm glad you have faith. I hope you're right.

His access is “Read only” at this point.

How can you possibly know or guarantee he only has read-only access? The system owners have been locked out of the system and no longer have control or insight to know what access Musk has, or what he's in there doing.

Musk has been out there trumpeting about CANCELLING billions in funds. Doesn't sound like "read only."

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elon and the Breakfast Club have been working all weekend stopping payments to things they don't like - ie, the poor Lutherans (and apparently some of those are block grants for foster kids care - oh well).

So tomorrow the SHTF when people find their money is cut off. Also, we know they're firing 70% of OPM and 30% of the rest of the government.

Any court orders that are issued will be ignored - tomorrow I believe the judge is to rule on the TRO for the grant funding. I consider that the true "Constitutional crisis moment."

And who knows what ICE is planning.

Hence the barricades in front of the White House. They WANT people to protest so Trump can declare an emergency and put military on the streets.

Is Musk stopping payments? Or just tweeting about them?

If he is stopping authorized payments, then he cannot do that. No matter how not-DOGE they are.

Why can't he do that? Who will stop him?

Congress could. If they won't, the courts can and will. In this country, our court system is the most powerful of the 3 branches. Project 2025 talks about overturning Marbury v Madison - but that's just talk and they cannot do it without a lot of consent from everyone else. Which they won't get.

Other countries may be set up differently. But this is how we are set up and it has worked well for us. We will find out soon if it will continue working well. Fwiw, I think it will, DH thinks it won't.

The protections we've relied upon take time. Musk could funnel billions into his pocket for "efficiency" in minutes.

The Judiciary has no means of enforcement. And at least two members of SCOTUS have been bought.

I'm glad you have faith. I hope you're right.

His access is “Read only” at this point.

That doesn't matter. Just bring able to see the government ledger alone provides unprecedented access to potentially sensitive info. From an ethics standpoint, it is also terrible, because Musk and DOGE could potentially see any govt contracts being paid out to any of Musks' business rivals. You can also peice together all sorts of stories by simply seeing which vendors the govt may be working with. For example, of the govt is buying all sorts of supplies form very specific vendors, you might be able to figure out which kinds of weapons they're working on. It's insane a guy and a crew with no appropriate clearance are accessing this stuff. Oh, and all of our bank account info too.

Anonymous wrote:I am concerned that Trump/Musk want riots, and then can declare martial law.

This. I picture them salivating.

Congress needs to step up. They also need to ensure they have robust and appropriate mechanisms to:

Investigate, and to be able to do so rapidly, seizing evidence if needed.

Enforce, and arrest if needed.

Protect themselves. Some of the members of Congress who have questioned Trump are seeing a ramp-up in threats of a scale and nature that they have never seen before.