Anonymous
11/12/2024 08:06
Subject: Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So blue states aren't going to be subsidizing education in poor red states anymore? Okay. I guess that's what's happening.
To keep the Republican voter pipeline of morons
💯. It’s a lot easier to control a dumb population. Which is why many centuries ago the men in power invented that fairytale of how we lived inside a fish for 3 days and an imaginary being in the sky sees everything. It was invented (and sadly is still around) to control the gullible masses. If you misbehave, you go to hell.
Yup. Look how many believed the RWNJ disinformation.
Also look up how many people googled “what is a tariff?”, “how do I change my vote”, “what are the branches of government?”, “what is project 2025?”, “what is Trump’s plan?”, “what is a naturalized citizen?”, after the fact. Looks like the Trump and his cronies will be in power forever if misinformed people keep voting.
Anonymous
11/12/2024 08:05
Subject: Re:Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Yikes. All this Arizona talk is reminding me of this horrifying article I read a few months ago. This is our future, isn’t it?
“Several parents told me that open enrollment contributes to a sense of unrootedness in the East Valley. That feeling was compounded when, in 2022, Arizona became the first state to implement a universal school-voucher program. Students can now have their pick of strip-mall schools, online religious homeschooling programs, or “traditional academies”—charter schools that emphasize discipline and often boast Roman columns out front. The voucher program was designed to help poor children leave failing schools, but a large majority of the money has gone to wealthy families whose children were already enrolled in private education.”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/07/01/how-a-homegrown-teen-gang-punctured-the-image-of-an-upscale-community
“Several parents told me that open enrollment contributes to a sense of unrootedness in the East Valley. That feeling was compounded when, in 2022, Arizona became the first state to implement a universal school-voucher program. Students can now have their pick of strip-mall schools, online religious homeschooling programs, or “traditional academies”—charter schools that emphasize discipline and often boast Roman columns out front. The voucher program was designed to help poor children leave failing schools, but a large majority of the money has gone to wealthy families whose children were already enrolled in private education.”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/07/01/how-a-homegrown-teen-gang-punctured-the-image-of-an-upscale-community
Anonymous
11/12/2024 07:44
Subject: Re:Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Arizona is the worst ranked state in the nation for education. Not the model the rest of the US should be looking to. https://www.12news.com/article/news/education/arizona-ranks-51st-education-survey-worst-state-country-public-education/75-b9de7076-a84b-4cc1-b439-7b56b34338ff#:~:text=A%20new%20survey%20rates%20Arizona,the%20non%2Dpartisan%20Consumer%20Affairs.
https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/how-do-states-really-stack-2015-naep
When you correct for student demographics, Arizona is 13th.
Here is the updated version of the report using 2019 data.
https://apps.urban.org/features/naep/
Anonymous
11/12/2024 07:42
Subject: Re:Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Also why pull 2015 educational data? In 2024, Arizona is the worst ranked stated in the nation on education.
Anonymous
11/12/2024 07:41
Subject: Re:Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Arizona is the worst ranked state in the nation for education. Not the model the rest of the US should be looking to. https://www.12news.com/article/news/education/arizona-ranks-51st-education-survey-worst-state-country-public-education/75-b9de7076-a84b-4cc1-b439-7b56b34338ff#:~:text=A%20new%20survey%20rates%20Arizona,the%20non%2Dpartisan%20Consumer%20Affairs.
https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/how-do-states-really-stack-2015-naep
When you correct for student demographics, Arizona is 13th.
“Account for demographics”
Republicans want de facto segregation via private schools/charters. That’s why they’ve historically underfunded public schools in the south.
Anonymous
11/12/2024 07:41
Subject: Re:Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Arizona is the worst ranked state in the nation for education. Not the model the rest of the US should be looking to. https://www.12news.com/article/news/education/arizona-ranks-51st-education-survey-worst-state-country-public-education/75-b9de7076-a84b-4cc1-b439-7b56b34338ff#:~:text=A%20new%20survey%20rates%20Arizona,the%20non%2Dpartisan%20Consumer%20Affairs.
https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/how-do-states-really-stack-2015-naep
When you correct for student demographics, Arizona is 13th.
Arizona is well known for not funding their schools or teaching to all of their children. Arizona's test scores have declined. It's not a model to look to implement across more school districts. There is nothing positive about their system compared to others. Virginia is doing better than Arizona on all accounts and doesn't need to look to Arizona for educational practices.
Anonymous
11/12/2024 07:35
Subject: Re:Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Anonymous wrote:Every single quarter, school districts must file two voluminous tomes of reports with the Department of Education and also with the Department of Commerce.
How do you think those reports get filed? You think somebody chants a spell and waves a magic wand?
It takes 800 labor hours to complete each of those reports. For the Department of Commerce, stupid stuff like how many kilowatt hours of electricity were consumed and how many gallons of water and what did they purchase and what did the sell/auction/destroy/dispose of and what assets were depreciated and how many hours did teachers, staff, administrators and other employees work and how many injuries and reported illnesses and time off and badabeebadaboo.
And that's just for the Department of Commerce quarterly report.
Do you have any idea what school districts spend on compliance?
Compliance is not optional. It's a requirement. Failure to comply invites sanctions for the school district, the State or both and the Departments of Education and Commerce have wide-ranging powers to levy sanctions.
Don't file your quarterly report with the Department of Ed? Better hope there was an earthquake, tornado or hurricane because you're gonna be fined.
The discipline section alone is a nightmare. It's no wonder schools don't want to discipline kids because you gotta spend 40 labor hours gathering the data to report a single incident.
In fact, if you bothered to read any of the reports issued by Senate and House Committees on education you'd know the States spend in excess of 50 Million labor hours to process the paperwork mandated by the federal government.
Y'all whine about teachers salaries, well end the federal mandates and there'll be tons o' money to give teachers a pay raise. In fact, you could probably increase their salaries 50% because that's how much money school districts spend to be compliant with federal mandates.
What the Department of Education does is raise the cost of education without raising student achievement.
Milton Friedman was right. Education need to be publicly funded because it's in the country's best interest but families must have choices.
To that end Arizona does it right. 90% of the money spent on your child at a public school can be used by the family to pay for a private school.
Arizona also added on-line learning to reduce costs to tax-payers.
How? These so-called autistic students are disruptive and distracting and ruin learning in the classroom because of their frequent outbursts and it costs money because school districts have to hire people to help teachers manage these autistic kids in the classroom and the autistic kids aren't learning anything.
By letting those students stay home with their care-giver who knows them way better than school staff and can supervise them properly saves school districts money and the care-giver knows when their child is "in a learning mood" and can get them online to complete tasks and assignments.
It's a win-win for everyone.
So I guess it is better to fly blind and make decisions on whims than, you know, data.
This is why our country is failing, it is so sad.
Anonymous
11/12/2024 07:30
Subject: Re:Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Anonymous wrote:Arizona is the worst ranked state in the nation for education. Not the model the rest of the US should be looking to. https://www.12news.com/article/news/education/arizona-ranks-51st-education-survey-worst-state-country-public-education/75-b9de7076-a84b-4cc1-b439-7b56b34338ff#:~:text=A%20new%20survey%20rates%20Arizona,the%20non%2Dpartisan%20Consumer%20Affairs.
https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/how-do-states-really-stack-2015-naep
When you correct for student demographics, Arizona is 13th.
Anonymous
11/12/2024 07:15
Subject: Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since the DoEd's inception, US school test scores have consistently declined. Send the power back to the people. Not a gov mandated curriculum.
There is no curriculum mandated by the Federal Government.
Ok.
NCLB.
Common Core (and don't give me "the Governors adopted it". If states didn't adopt the federal money was reduced or shut off).
PARCC (same as Common Core).
ESSA (see above).
Do they "set" curriculum? No. Do they force adoption of various initiatives that have set guidelines for curriculum? Yes.
Disclaimer: NCLB made sense to me as far as setting a floor. The problem came in the implementation and the various "stakeholders" that ended up developing the standards. They made it punitive. Same, sort of, with Common Core. As transient as society is it makes some sense to have some standardization across the states. The problem came with its adoption and the wholesale changes in methods, pedagogy and curriculum it had. That, and the ignoring of Piaget's Stages of Cognitive Development and pushing concepts down to where most kids didn't have the cognitive maturity to understand them. As a teacher it looked like much of it was designed for the top 10% of students instead of the 70% of average students.
ESSA was passed in 2015, almost 10 years ago and removed all of your complaints about federal mandates.
https://www.understood.org/en/articles/the-difference-between-the-every-student-succeeds-act-and-no-child-left-behind
Anonymous
11/12/2024 07:09
Subject: Re:Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Anonymous wrote:Arizona is the worst ranked state in the nation for education. Not the model the rest of the US should be looking to. https://www.12news.com/article/news/education/arizona-ranks-51st-education-survey-worst-state-country-public-education/75-b9de7076-a84b-4cc1-b439-7b56b34338ff#:~:text=A%20new%20survey%20rates%20Arizona,the%20non%2Dpartisan%20Consumer%20Affairs.
Did they take that honor away from Mississippi ?
Anonymous
11/12/2024 07:00
Subject: Re:Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Arizona is the worst ranked state in the nation for education. Not the model the rest of the US should be looking to. https://www.12news.com/article/news/education/arizona-ranks-51st-education-survey-worst-state-country-public-education/75-b9de7076-a84b-4cc1-b439-7b56b34338ff#:~:text=A%20new%20survey%20rates%20Arizona,the%20non%2Dpartisan%20Consumer%20Affairs.
Anonymous
11/12/2024 06:57
Subject: Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since the DoEd's inception, US school test scores have consistently declined. Send the power back to the people. Not a gov mandated curriculum.
There is no curriculum mandated by the Federal Government.
Ok.
NCLB.
Common Core (and don't give me "the Governors adopted it". If states didn't adopt the federal money was reduced or shut off).
PARCC (same as Common Core).
ESSA (see above).
Do they "set" curriculum? No. Do they force adoption of various initiatives that have set guidelines for curriculum? Yes.
Disclaimer: NCLB made sense to me as far as setting a floor. The problem came in the implementation and the various "stakeholders" that ended up developing the standards. They made it punitive. Same, sort of, with Common Core. As transient as society is it makes some sense to have some standardization across the states. The problem came with its adoption and the wholesale changes in methods, pedagogy and curriculum it had. That, and the ignoring of Piaget's Stages of Cognitive Development and pushing concepts down to where most kids didn't have the cognitive maturity to understand them. As a teacher it looked like much of it was designed for the top 10% of students instead of the 70% of average students.
But it's worth understanding that common core was related to teaching kids so they would be college ready. It wasn't a downgrade of education. The standards were higher. It might have been too much for too many kids, but it wasn't the dumbing down of education the way the right says it is.
Anonymous
11/12/2024 06:53
Subject: Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Since the DoEd's inception, US school test scores have consistently declined. Send the power back to the people. Not a gov mandated curriculum.
There is no curriculum mandated by the Federal Government.
Ok.
NCLB.
Common Core (and don't give me "the Governors adopted it". If states didn't adopt the federal money was reduced or shut off).
PARCC (same as Common Core).
ESSA (see above).
Do they "set" curriculum? No. Do they force adoption of various initiatives that have set guidelines for curriculum? Yes.
Disclaimer: NCLB made sense to me as far as setting a floor. The problem came in the implementation and the various "stakeholders" that ended up developing the standards. They made it punitive. Same, sort of, with Common Core. As transient as society is it makes some sense to have some standardization across the states. The problem came with its adoption and the wholesale changes in methods, pedagogy and curriculum it had. That, and the ignoring of Piaget's Stages of Cognitive Development and pushing concepts down to where most kids didn't have the cognitive maturity to understand them. As a teacher it looked like much of it was designed for the top 10% of students instead of the 70% of average students.
Anonymous
11/12/2024 06:50
Subject: Re:Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Every single quarter, school districts must file two voluminous tomes of reports with the Department of Education and also with the Department of Commerce.
How do you think those reports get filed? You think somebody chants a spell and waves a magic wand?
It takes 800 labor hours to complete each of those reports. For the Department of Commerce, stupid stuff like how many kilowatt hours of electricity were consumed and how many gallons of water and what did they purchase and what did the sell/auction/destroy/dispose of and what assets were depreciated and how many hours did teachers, staff, administrators and other employees work and how many injuries and reported illnesses and time off and badabeebadaboo.
And that's just for the Department of Commerce quarterly report.
Do you have any idea what school districts spend on compliance?
Compliance is not optional. It's a requirement. Failure to comply invites sanctions for the school district, the State or both and the Departments of Education and Commerce have wide-ranging powers to levy sanctions.
Don't file your quarterly report with the Department of Ed? Better hope there was an earthquake, tornado or hurricane because you're gonna be fined.
The discipline section alone is a nightmare. It's no wonder schools don't want to discipline kids because you gotta spend 40 labor hours gathering the data to report a single incident.
In fact, if you bothered to read any of the reports issued by Senate and House Committees on education you'd know the States spend in excess of 50 Million labor hours to process the paperwork mandated by the federal government.
Y'all whine about teachers salaries, well end the federal mandates and there'll be tons o' money to give teachers a pay raise. In fact, you could probably increase their salaries 50% because that's how much money school districts spend to be compliant with federal mandates.
What the Department of Education does is raise the cost of education without raising student achievement.
Milton Friedman was right. Education need to be publicly funded because it's in the country's best interest but families must have choices.
To that end Arizona does it right. 90% of the money spent on your child at a public school can be used by the family to pay for a private school.
Arizona also added on-line learning to reduce costs to tax-payers.
How? These so-called autistic students are disruptive and distracting and ruin learning in the classroom because of their frequent outbursts and it costs money because school districts have to hire people to help teachers manage these autistic kids in the classroom and the autistic kids aren't learning anything.
By letting those students stay home with their care-giver who knows them way better than school staff and can supervise them properly saves school districts money and the care-giver knows when their child is "in a learning mood" and can get them online to complete tasks and assignments.
It's a win-win for everyone.
How do you think those reports get filed? You think somebody chants a spell and waves a magic wand?
It takes 800 labor hours to complete each of those reports. For the Department of Commerce, stupid stuff like how many kilowatt hours of electricity were consumed and how many gallons of water and what did they purchase and what did the sell/auction/destroy/dispose of and what assets were depreciated and how many hours did teachers, staff, administrators and other employees work and how many injuries and reported illnesses and time off and badabeebadaboo.
And that's just for the Department of Commerce quarterly report.
Do you have any idea what school districts spend on compliance?
Compliance is not optional. It's a requirement. Failure to comply invites sanctions for the school district, the State or both and the Departments of Education and Commerce have wide-ranging powers to levy sanctions.
Don't file your quarterly report with the Department of Ed? Better hope there was an earthquake, tornado or hurricane because you're gonna be fined.
The discipline section alone is a nightmare. It's no wonder schools don't want to discipline kids because you gotta spend 40 labor hours gathering the data to report a single incident.
In fact, if you bothered to read any of the reports issued by Senate and House Committees on education you'd know the States spend in excess of 50 Million labor hours to process the paperwork mandated by the federal government.
Y'all whine about teachers salaries, well end the federal mandates and there'll be tons o' money to give teachers a pay raise. In fact, you could probably increase their salaries 50% because that's how much money school districts spend to be compliant with federal mandates.
What the Department of Education does is raise the cost of education without raising student achievement.
Milton Friedman was right. Education need to be publicly funded because it's in the country's best interest but families must have choices.
To that end Arizona does it right. 90% of the money spent on your child at a public school can be used by the family to pay for a private school.
Arizona also added on-line learning to reduce costs to tax-payers.
How? These so-called autistic students are disruptive and distracting and ruin learning in the classroom because of their frequent outbursts and it costs money because school districts have to hire people to help teachers manage these autistic kids in the classroom and the autistic kids aren't learning anything.
By letting those students stay home with their care-giver who knows them way better than school staff and can supervise them properly saves school districts money and the care-giver knows when their child is "in a learning mood" and can get them online to complete tasks and assignments.
It's a win-win for everyone.
Anonymous
11/12/2024 06:16
Subject: Psyched! He's closing the Department of Education in Washignton DC
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why can't people see the correlations here with the young male voters wanting to disparage college educatedwomen by referring to college as "indoctrination centers"?
These young incels want young women to be OnlyFans employees.
What are people thinking? Why would anyone listen to anything from these tech bros?
Are these videos even real?
Well you just described all young men on earth.
Uh, no. That’s not “all young men”.