Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe is stronger on human rights and this practice is exploitative. This law is preventing people from renting the bodies of poor women in third world countries.

Exactly. The bodily integrity of an impoverished, desperate woman is more important than your desire to have your “own” baby rather than adopting one of the tens of thousands of kids in need.

So what's the storyline around women that don't need the money and do it for altruistic reasons? Because that's also banned...

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter told me last month she plans to "donate" her eggs so she can earn money for grad school.

She wants to do surrogacy but cannot do so until she has a proven healthy successful pregnancy.

These are exciting times for women.

If she's earning money, she is selling her eggs, not donating them.

Just like women work at brothels, they are not "volunteers."

Exciting times indeed.

Not even women anymore. Just persons with wombs.

The dehumanization is almost complete.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe is stronger on human rights and this practice is exploitative. This law is preventing people from renting the bodies of poor women in third world countries.

Exactly. The bodily integrity of an impoverished, desperate woman is more important than your desire to have your “own” baby rather than adopting one of the tens of thousands of kids in need.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter told me last month she plans to "donate" her eggs so she can earn money for grad school.

She wants to do surrogacy but cannot do so until she has a proven healthy successful pregnancy.

These are exciting times for women.

If she's earning money, she is selling her eggs, not donating them.

Just like women work at brothels, they are not "volunteers."

Exciting times indeed.

Not even women anymore. Just persons with wombs.

The dehumanization is almost complete.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter told me last month she plans to "donate" her eggs so she can earn money for grad school.

She wants to do surrogacy but cannot do so until she has a proven healthy successful pregnancy.

These are exciting times for women.

If she's earning money, she is selling her eggs, not donating them.

Just like women work at brothels, they are not "volunteers."

Exciting times indeed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe is stronger on human rights and this practice is exploitative. This law is preventing people from renting the bodies of poor women in third world countries.

Exactly. The bodily integrity of an impoverished, desperate woman is more important than your desire to have your “own” baby rather than adopting one of the tens of thousands of kids in need.

That you know better than these women how they can use their bodies is so... patriarchal.

Ah, yes. The right to be a Handmaid. Exactly what the suffragettes were fighting for.

I read the book Handmaids were not volunteers nor paid for their labor, unlike a surrogate. You just hate that women don't think just like you.

I think that’s you, but given that you are defending the role of women in the Handmaid’s Tale, you’re obviously too crazy to take seriously.

It is nice to see defenders of surrogacy unmask themselves. Next time someone speaks up about how surrogacy is good, I’ll know they are the folks who view the Handmaid’s Tale as an instruction manual, not a cautionary story.

Anonymous wrote:There doesn’t seem to be any real discussion of the short-term and long-term effects to the surrogate. Being pregnant comes with numerous risk factors. Multiple pregnancies are dangerous and there are long-teen effects. Women often don’t talk about them because it is embarrassing to talk about leaking urine, having your pelvic floor drop, pain, etc. If you develop gestational diabetes your long-term risk of cardiovascular disease does up. Europe tends to be more of a nanny state so protects people from making foolish decisions that will effect you long term.

Here is one article that explains some of them: https://www.health.harvard.edu/womens-health/pregnancys-lasting-toll

“ Carrying a child and giving birth, whether vaginally or by cesarean section, can stress muscles, ligaments, and nerves responsible for sexual function and bladder and bowel control. While genetics certainly play a part, pregnancy by itself can lead to later problems such as pelvic pain, urine or stool leakage, or sagging or bulging pelvic structures known as pelvic organ prolapse. And the odds of these problems rise with the number of babies you've delivered — especially vaginally — along with their birth weight, Harvard experts say.”

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Anonymous wrote:In Ireland, the Netherlands, Belgium and the Czech Republic, it's not possible to get a court to enforce a surrogacy agreement. This is the same in the UK, where a court will decide what is in the best interest of the child if there is a disagreement.

Well, how novel of them basing their decision around what is best for the child, instead of treating the child as property dictated by a sales contract.

Yes, the US lack of concern about children is why they are treated like consumer goods here. In more civilized countries, surrogacy is banned because children aren’t consumer goods.

We have been told that it is just a clump of cells, a leach; a malignant growth can be excised by the host. But in this instance, they are precious children?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe is stronger on human rights and this practice is exploitative. This law is preventing people from renting the bodies of poor women in third world countries.

Exactly. The bodily integrity of an impoverished, desperate woman is more important than your desire to have your “own” baby rather than adopting one of the tens of thousands of kids in need.

That you know better than these women how they can use their bodies is so... patriarchal.

Ah, yes. The right to be a Handmaid. Exactly what the suffragettes were fighting for.

I read the book Handmaids were not volunteers nor paid for their labor, unlike a surrogate. You just hate that women don't think just like you.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Ireland, the Netherlands, Belgium and the Czech Republic, it's not possible to get a court to enforce a surrogacy agreement. This is the same in the UK, where a court will decide what is in the best interest of the child if there is a disagreement.

Well, how novel of them basing their decision around what is best for the child, instead of treating the child as property dictated by a sales contract.

Yes, the US lack of concern about children is why they are treated like consumer goods here. In more civilized countries, surrogacy is banned because children aren’t consumer goods.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe is stronger on human rights and this practice is exploitative. This law is preventing people from renting the bodies of poor women in third world countries.

Exactly. The bodily integrity of an impoverished, desperate woman is more important than your desire to have your “own” baby rather than adopting one of the tens of thousands of kids in need.

That you know better than these women how they can use their bodies is so... patriarchal.

Ah, yes. The right to be a Handmaid. Exactly what the suffragettes were fighting for.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Ireland, the Netherlands, Belgium and the Czech Republic, it's not possible to get a court to enforce a surrogacy agreement. This is the same in the UK, where a court will decide what is in the best interest of the child if there is a disagreement.

Well, how novel of them basing their decision around what is best for the child, instead of treating the child as property dictated by a sales contract.

Anonymous wrote:My daughter told me last month she plans to "donate" her eggs so she can earn money for grad school.

She wants to do surrogacy but cannot do so until she has a proven healthy successful pregnancy.

These are exciting times for women.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe is stronger on human rights and this practice is exploitative. This law is preventing people from renting the bodies of poor women in third world countries.

Exactly. The bodily integrity of an impoverished, desperate woman is more important than your desire to have your “own” baby rather than adopting one of the tens of thousands of kids in need.

That you know better than these women how they can use their bodies is so... patriarchal.