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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?

You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.

The illegal immigrants who are abandoning their children in the US are causing this problem. They made choices they are forcing their innocent children to live with. Quit blaming the American taxpayer for this problem. We don’t create it- we have to live with it and pay for it, though. That’s why it needs to stop. I am amazed how illegal immigrants break the law, the government is complicit, and the American taxpayer is blamed. It’s not our fault. Blame the people causing this massive problem.

I’m not blaming the American taxpayer. Yes, it’s the fault of someone who now may or may not be alive in Honduras. But, once you deport them, you can’t hold them responsible any more. What— you going to Honduras to collect child support from someone making $3 a day?

But reality is, these are US citizens and you can’t deport them. We do have a problem. And it needs a solution. I’m open to ideas. Legally, constitutional ones and not the “just deport them too,” which is illegal and unconstitutional. No one ever solved a problem by pointing fingers. Now that we have placed the blame on the parents, against whom we lost any hope of recourse when we deported them, what’s your solution? Not whose fault is it. That’s easy. It’s the parents fault. You refuse to answer the hard part— now what? How do we solve it? And you refuse to answer because all the so,unions suck. And no one likes to champion a bad solution. But if you have a good, legal, constitutional solution, I’d be interested to hear it. But “so blame the parents” is not a solution.

What? Parents are no longer responsible for their own children when they get deported? Why not? American law does not stop parents from taking their babies with them when they are deported.

If the parents want to abandon their babies and children to US foster care, we can’t stop them. That’s their choice. The parents leave and the baby goes to foster care. That’s the solution the parents choose. It’s not my choice, or yours. The parents make choices for their kids. If you think they are making a bad decision to leave their babies in foster care, tell them. We are not forcing illegal immigrants to give birth in the US and abandon their kids.

Did anyone ever answer about how they are going to handle due process under the 5th and 14th Amendments? Even a migrant here illegally is still entitled to due process under the Constitution.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?

You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.

The illegal immigrants who are abandoning their children in the US are causing this problem. They made choices they are forcing their innocent children to live with. Quit blaming the American taxpayer for this problem. We don’t create it- we have to live with it and pay for it, though. That’s why it needs to stop. I am amazed how illegal immigrants break the law, the government is complicit, and the American taxpayer is blamed. It’s not our fault. Blame the people causing this massive problem.

Okay. Let’s say I 100% blame the parents. Entirely their fault. I absolutely agree with you.

Identifying the problem is easy. Now that the blame game is done—- WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

What's with the all caps? The solution is already there. In fact, multiples of them.

Option A: child goes with parents.

Option B: child stays and goes to foster care or stays with relatives (exactly what happens with children of incarcerated Americans).

Option C, to be used concurrently: mom and dad are prevented from entering illegally in the first place.

Option A: the parents leave the kid, is legal and changing that would require a constitutional amendment.

Option B: how much are you willing to invest in foster care and what are you going to do to keep it from turning out kids with out high school educations who end up in jail?

Option C: Duh. But we hanged hundreds of thousands of families in this situation here now. So, going forward, sure. But, for the kids here now? Too little too late.

I’m fine with foster care, BTW. As long as you find the foster care system and reform it so we don’t get 100,000 uneducated criminals in 10-15 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Honestly there should be no citizenship for children whose parents are illegal

Okay. So change the Constitution. Because that one is pretty clearly a violation based on the plain language of the 14th Amendment.

Maybe pair it with dismantling the electoral college in a constitutional convention? Or a clear constitutional right to abortion, contraception, and gay marriage?

Yeah. Didn’t think so.

I actually support the right to abortion, and think free contraception should be USmailed to every female over 13 or so. If that’s too much money then at least families below certain income, like free lunches at schools.

And yes birthright citizenship clearly isnt working. No one wants to touch it but that’s another story.

Also, the electoral college isn’t working. You have identified a problem. But here in the real world, do you think a constitutional amendment to solve it is realistic? If so, are you usually that delusional? A solution that can’t be implemented isn’t a solution.

Yes, birthright citizenship is a problem. But it’s no one with a realistic solution.

At least we should start talking about it like we do about abortion and electoral college.
We also need to talk about families pushing young girls to have kids in HS to receive benefits. And how birth control should be available to them, just like there are laws in CA protecting trans kids who go against their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Quite a few are left behind. More than the number being deported. Is it a sad situation? Sure. But not every sad situation is for the government to resolve. The parents are fully aware of this dilemma before procreating and they do it anyway. Whose problem is it? Theirs.

Except if a child is left behind, it is by a definition a problem the government has to solve. Why do you think DCFS exists? Or are you letting a 4 year old wander around with not adult responsible for them? Because, spoiler alert, that ends really badly for everyone.

Spoiler alert: the parents are letting their 4 year old wander around with no responsible adult caring for them.

How is pp causing that situation?

Again— even if the parents are 100% to blame, they’ve been deported. They are gone. And, you still have a 4 year old wandering around with no responsible adult. Do what do you do about it? Not whose fault is it. Blaming others is easy. How do you solve it.

Foster care. Exactly how you solve it for children with incarcerated parents.

1. The foster care system can’t handle the kids it has. Better be prepared to pay up to massively upscale it.
2. The foster care system has abysmal results and does not have a track record of producing adults who make positive contributions to society. But I guess that’s another problem we can ignore now, and hand off to your kids.

Look, if your solution aims to produce a McLean style childhood, then no, this cannot be done. Sometimes one chooses from an array of unattractive options. But don't pretend these solutions don't exist. Them's the breaks. I mean you're like someone with a cirrhotic liver demanding Olympic-caliber results. Don't drink to oblivion is the answer.

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I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Honestly there should be no citizenship for children whose parents are illegal

Okay. So change the Constitution. Because that one is pretty clearly a violation based on the plain language of the 14th Amendment.

Maybe pair it with dismantling the electoral college in a constitutional convention? Or a clear constitutional right to abortion, contraception, and gay marriage?

Yeah. Didn’t think so.

I actually support the right to abortion, and think free contraception should be USmailed to every female over 13 or so. If that’s too much money then at least families below certain income, like free lunches at schools.

And yes birthright citizenship clearly isnt working. No one wants to touch it but that’s another story.

Also, the electoral college isn’t working. You have identified a problem. But here in the real world, do you think a constitutional amendment to solve it is realistic? If so, are you usually that delusional? A solution that can’t be implemented isn’t a solution.

Yes, birthright citizenship is a problem. But it’s no one with a realistic solution.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Quite a few are left behind. More than the number being deported. Is it a sad situation? Sure. But not every sad situation is for the government to resolve. The parents are fully aware of this dilemma before procreating and they do it anyway. Whose problem is it? Theirs.

Except if a child is left behind, it is by a definition a problem the government has to solve. Why do you think DCFS exists? Or are you letting a 4 year old wander around with not adult responsible for them? Because, spoiler alert, that ends really badly for everyone.

Spoiler alert: the parents are letting their 4 year old wander around with no responsible adult caring for them.

How is pp causing that situation?

Again— even if the parents are 100% to blame, they’ve been deported. They are gone. And, you still have a 4 year old wandering around with no responsible adult. Do what do you do about it? Not whose fault is it. Blaming others is easy. How do you solve it.

Foster care. Exactly how you solve it for children with incarcerated parents.

1. The foster care system can’t handle the kids it has. Better be prepared to pay up to massively upscale it.
2. The foster care system has abysmal results and does not have a track record of producing adults who make positive contributions to society. But I guess that’s another problem we can ignore now, and hand off to your kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

Can. But the parent does not have to take them. And if they are going back to extreme poverty, gangs, drug cartels and rapes of their 11 year olds, they may choose not to because the child is safer here, even in foster care. Many parents choose to for these reasons. And legally, they can because these American citizen kids can’t be deported.

MAGA likes to make these sweeping, it’s easy statements. Detain them (11 million people?). Deport the kids (illegal and good luck changing the constitution).

These are complicated problems, some of which have solutions that are classified as very bad vs even worse. If it was as easy as “send the kids too” of “mass deportation,” don’t you think someone would have done it? Like, say, your Orange idol when he was POTUS?

Don’t confuse Central American immigrants with an average American family. They all have relatives here already; kids stay with relatives.

Anonymous wrote:So hundreds of migrants are going to walk the length of Mexico so they can take low-paying jobs that no American wants? Not seeing a problem here. In fact, I think you'd *want* that kind of person coming here.

I mean, I'm not for open borders, but can you imagine how horrible their lives are back home that they would be willing to risk a treacherous journey to reach the US, to live in squalor and menial low wage jobs?

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Anonymous wrote:I had my green card processed under Biden. Took twice as long and had to fight for every step.

Also under Biden: the shafting of World Bank/IMF/UN retirees and their families in favor of visa applicants born in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador.

Twice as long as what?
Got my green card under Trump and citizenship under Biden. An extra interview in the first case. Quite a fast process in the second.

Twice as long as expected.

Sorry to hear.

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No they don’t.
My DH used to joke about it taking an act of Congress to take his citizenship away. We don’t think that’s such a far stretch anymore.
Now he’s made sure all of our passports are in order and we have copies of his paperwork, including his DD-214, in more than one location. He’s been told by past coworkers that assumed he sought their approval that he’s “one of the good ones”. Maybe they will shield him if things get out of hand.
Hopefully we never have to deal with some vigilante going off doing the lord’s work and taking matters into their own hands.

You should be afraid of armed vigilantes with torches and pitch forks who take it upon themselves to capture "illegals." Mobs aren't smart enough to discern whether you belong here. Look at the Sikhs who got murdered after 9-11. Even Hispanic people got accused of being "Arabs." Look at Trump's praise of the Charlottesville mob. He will encourage this.

+1 this is what I fear: vigilantes going around rounding up "them illegals".

I am Asian American; DH is a white European immigrant. I told DH that if we went to war with China, I could easily see the MAGA mob trying to round up all the "chin*s", including me because I look like one even though I'm not Chinese.

Those mobs wouldn't stop to ask for papers or where you're really from. They just attack. Look at how many Asian Americans were beat up during covid because people thought those Asian Americans brought covid in, and that included patients yelling at Asian American doctors who were trying to help them.

This type of hysteria is what Trump is good at stoking. It's frightening.

Yup. My kids are Korean. I've always been worried about a war with North Korea, because I most certainly do not trust my neighbors to know the difference between North Korea and South Korea.
People are stupid, and if the government tries any form of mass deportation, it will make life extraordinarily difficult for people of color, regardless of their actual legal status. Which of course is a feature, not a bug for the MAGAs

During World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority (WRA), mostly in the western interior of the country. Approximately two-thirds of the detainees were United States citizens. These actions were initiated by Executive Order 9066, issued by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, following Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, Guam, the Philippines, and Wake Island in December 1941.

FDR was a democrat.

And today, it's the MAGA Trump camp that would want to do this. TODAY, Dems aren't the ones wanting to round people up. They aren't the ones stoking fears in white America about the replacement theory, or how MX is sending over rapists and murderers.

You are lying.

Why were Japanese Americans interned during World War II? After Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. War Department suspected that Japanese Americans might act as espionage agents for Japan, despite a lack of evidence.

Republicans don’t think illegal immigrants are spying on America.

President Roosevelt, as commander-in-chief, issued Executive Order 9066 that resulted in the internment of Japanese Americans. The order authorized the Secretary of War and military commanders to evacuate all persons deemed a threat from the West Coast to internment camps, that the government called "relocation centers," further inland.

FDR put American citizens in concentration camps.

Republicans don’t have any plan or intent to deport American citizens. Deporting people who are illegally in the US is not equivalent to putting American citizens in concentration camps, like democrats did.

Yes, FDR did that, mostly at the behest of white farmers who were jealous of the success that Japanese American farmers were having.

Let's recap:

MAGA want to execute a mass deportation.
How will that be achieved?
They will do a massive sweep, and when they ask "show me your papers" many Americans won't have papers on them, so they will be tossed in with illegal immigrants.
There is historical precedent of mass deportation, under Eisenhower (R).

https://www.history.com/news/operation-wetback-eisenhower-1954-deportation

The program became a contentious issue in Mexico–United States relations, even though it originated from a request by the Mexican government to stop the illegal entry of Mexican laborers into the United States. Legal entry of Mexican workers for employment was at the time controlled by the Bracero Program, established during World War II by an agreement between the U.S. and Mexican governments. Operation Wetback was primarily a response to pressure from a broad coalition of farmers and business interests concerned with the effects of illegal immigration from Mexico.[3]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback


As the U.S. entered World War II, it found itself in need of agricultural labor. So it instituted the Bracero Program, which allowed about 4.6 million Mexicans to cross the border legally.

By the early '50s, tens of thousands of U.S. service members were coming home to a postwar recession. According to an essay published by the congressional Office of the Historian, President Truman ordered an inquiry that eventually placed much of the blame for the country's social ills at the time on illegal immigration.

One memorable line from the report stated: "The magnitude ... has reached entirely new levels in the past seven years. ... In its newly achieved proportions, it is virtually an invasion."

When Eisenhower took over, his immigration commissioner unveiled "Operation Wetback," a short-lived, military-style operation that the government estimated to have rounded up more than 1 million people.

Truman was a democrat.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/11/455613993/it-came-up-in-the-debate-here-are-3-things-to-know-about-operation-wetback

In 1950, Truman established a Presidential Commission on Migratory Labor to examine “the extent of illegal migration of foreign workers into the United States.” The next year, Truman signed legislation to protect farmers’ ability to hire legal migrants as farm laborers, while decrying illegal immigration. The legislation set up centers where immigrants from Mexico could stay while the U.S. government matched them with jobs. Still, Truman worried that illegal immigration was a threat to the jobs of both U.S. citizens and legal immigrants. He called for legislation that would provide punishments for employers who harbored illegal immigrants, but Congress declined to pass it.

During Truman’s nearly eight years in office, about 3.4 million were deported or left "voluntarily" under threat of deportation.

https://www.boundless.com/blog/truman/#:~:text=In%201950%2C%20Truman%20established%20a,laborers%2C%20while%20decrying%20illegal%20immigration.

I find it fascinating you omit Truman from the narrative. However, your narrative includes Carnival cruise ships being commandeered to deport illegal immigrants to death camps under MAGA, and Globemaster military aircraft being fitted with “slave bunks” to deport illegal immigrants to death camps. Where are the death camps going to be built, again?

Anonymous wrote:So hundreds of migrants are going to walk the length of Mexico so they can take low-paying jobs that no American wants? Not seeing a problem here. In fact, I think you'd *want* that kind of person coming here.

It's an exploitative system, rife with abuse and violence on the way, unsafe working conditions once in the US. And it doesn't actually keep prices low at all for the masses. We pay more for shit produce and meat than most countries do for better produce and meat.

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They don’t need to see how the Nazis did it.
We have our own game plans we can trot back out from the 1930s and 1955.
How’s that song go?
“We’ve done it before and we can do it again”

“These were the “repatriation drives,” a series of informal raids that took place around the United States during the Great Depression. Local governments and officials deported up to 1.8 million people to Mexico, according to research conducted by Joseph Dunn, a former California state senator. Dunn estimates around 60 percent of these people were actually American citizens, many of them born in the U.S. to first-generation immigrants. For these citizens, deportation wasn’t “repatriation”—it was exile from their country”

https://www.history.com/news/great-depression-repatriation-drives-mexico-deportation

That's the fear, IMO. This will lead to profiling, and fear, such that all brown looking people will feel the need to carry around their birth certificate or passport to prove that they are US citizens.

There are some Hispanics who support Trump, and it would be the height of irony for these people to get rounded up. It's like that restaurant owner in the midwest who voted for Trump, then her illegal immigrant husband who had lived here for over a decade got deported. She thought Trump would only go after "those" people, not her husband. How stupid she was.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-immigration-crackdown-causes-some-to-rethink-their-vote/

There’s nothing wrong with carrying an ID that shows legal status

Says someone who won’t be stopped several times a day and Texas and asked for their papers. And sent to jail while it gets sorted out the one time you forgot them.

I don’t want to live in a “show me your papers” Soviet style police state. Even as a middle age white women who would never be asked.

There’s no need for random stops on the street.
Just asking for it at any government office will do the trick. We can exclude hospitals and schools because we are a humane nation.

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

"I'm genuinely asking."

Nope, your genuinely hysterical and having a melt down.

I wish half of you could have a real discussion instead of stupid posts like this. Like let's talk about the plan for drilling and being energy independent? Let's talk about the "no taxes for tips" plans, let's discuss anything other than what the candidates are wearing and their style and fake posts about mass deportations like this one. It's a shame 99% of you can't have an actual discussion other man "o man bad." It's so old.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

Parents who abandon their children to the care of the the US taxpayer are the ones making that decision. Nobody forced parents to enter the US illegally and no one is going to force them to leave their kids behind. That’s their decision.

You can foster as many as you’d like though. Or don’t you care about children once they are born?

You don’t know me or what I do for the most vulnerable children in society everyday as my job. (A lot, BTW). And because IT’S COMPLICATED, yes, it’s the parents decision. But, innocent kids pay the price. And their parents are gone, so you can’t punish them. And if you don’t care about the kids, care about what happens to our society when the huge influx of kids that our foster care system is in no way equipped to deal with grow up.

Even the best intentioned actions can have negative downstream consequences. And yes, it was the parents decision. But we all suffer if we get a generation of traumatized kids who grow up and aren’t able to be productive members of society. And kids in foster care? Just terrible outcomes, incarceration rates, no education. Is that a better outcome than letting parents who aren’t criminals and rapists stay and raise their kids ina stable household?

You are so glib, but these are actually very complex issues. And yes, incentivizing people to have anchor babies and stay is bad. The question is, is having tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of more traumatized kids go through foster care better or worse? I don’t know the answer to this. And you should either until you consider the real world downstream consequences.

The illegal immigrants who are abandoning their children in the US are causing this problem. They made choices they are forcing their innocent children to live with. Quit blaming the American taxpayer for this problem. We don’t create it- we have to live with it and pay for it, though. That’s why it needs to stop. I am amazed how illegal immigrants break the law, the government is complicit, and the American taxpayer is blamed. It’s not our fault. Blame the people causing this massive problem.

Okay. Let’s say I 100% blame the parents. Entirely their fault. I absolutely agree with you.

Identifying the problem is easy. Now that the blame game is done—- WHAT IS THE SOLUTION?

What's with the all caps? The solution is already there. In fact, multiples of them.

Option A: child goes with parents.

Option B: child stays and goes to foster care or stays with relatives (exactly what happens with children of incarcerated Americans).

Option C, to be used concurrently: mom and dad are prevented from entering illegally in the first place.