Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 16:21     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I finally read the announcement and wow!!! They actually came out and said that applicants that would have been accepted were instead denied because they did not submit their SAT scores.

After 2-3 years of DCUM advise to not submit good scores - like 1400+

Anybody feel like they've been snookered? As in you applied TO even though you had good scores?


The statement really only applies to URMs. Any privileged white or Asian kid is not helped by submitting a 1450.


If the kid is privileged enough to be at a high school where the average SAT score is 1450 or better then you are correct. That sort of correlates to race. But just sort of.

It is all about how good your stats are compared to your high school classmates!

You can believe what you like. The numbers tell their own story.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 16:21     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:Yale has done a similar internal study that had similar findings. They may follow Dartmouth on this.


Same at Brown.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 16:16     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This article shows why Jackson-Reed HS bats way above its weight class when it comes to elite college admissions.

J-R kids getting a high SAT (1450+) when the school average is closer to 1000 and even worse for DCPS overall are sought after by schools like Dartmouth. Now combine that with some very DC-specific opportunities for interning, leadership, etc and you have a very compelling applicant.


Right, the white upper middle class kids get a major admissions bump. but many of them struggle when they're in college. I know a few (a relative and the kid if a good friend) they are both floundering. Others do fine and even great. But 4 years of crap for high school doesn't work for all kids.


Many do not struggle (somehow just mine and the 10 kids my kid knows are doing very well at college, with my own at a Top 5). Just apparently the two you purport to know. You also seem to now have your own research which refutes the entire thesis of this post...that kids with high SAT scores in fact don't do well in college.

Me thinks your kid was rejected from a top school and you are bitter.


DP
public school booster mom:
Methinks your kid did tons of enrichment activities, attended summer camps, traveled, read independently, had test prep + writing tutors, college admissions counseling (applied ED, too), & most importantly, has full-pay parents…

Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 16:09     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I finally read the announcement and wow!!! They actually came out and said that applicants that would have been accepted were instead denied because they did not submit their SAT scores.

After 2-3 years of DCUM advise to not submit good scores - like 1400+

Anybody feel like they've been snookered? As in you applied TO even though you had good scores?


The statement really only applies to URMs. Any privileged white or Asian kid is not helped by submitting a 1450.


Wrong! I took my kid a party this weekend and heard all kinds of stuff from the kids and from parents waiting around to pick up later. There was some very serious second guessing going on.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 15:56     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:This article shows why Jackson-Reed HS bats way above its weight class when it comes to elite college admissions.

J-R kids getting a high SAT (1450+) when the school average is closer to 1000 and even worse for DCPS overall are sought after by schools like Dartmouth. Now combine that with some very DC-specific opportunities for interning, leadership, etc and you have a very compelling applicant.


Except JR only has 1 Ivy admit so far out of around 550 kids and it is not Dartmouth.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 15:56     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:I finally read the announcement and wow!!! They actually came out and said that applicants that would have been accepted were instead denied because they did not submit their SAT scores.

After 2-3 years of DCUM advise to not submit good scores - like 1400+

Anybody feel like they've been snookered? As in you applied TO even though you had good scores?


The statement really only applies to URMs. Any privileged white or Asian kid is not helped by submitting a 1450.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 15:55     Subject: Re:Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most of the DEI kids we know at TJ and in our public are not disadvantaged kids. They live in the same neighborhoods with professional parents.

There are plenty of disadvantaged URM kids at expensive private schools. What about them?

At my DD's private school, most of the URM kids are children of doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc...


And bankers/hedge fund/finance
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 15:54     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This article shows why Jackson-Reed HS bats way above its weight class when it comes to elite college admissions.

J-R kids getting a high SAT (1450+) when the school average is closer to 1000 and even worse for DCPS overall are sought after by schools like Dartmouth. Now combine that with some very DC-specific opportunities for interning, leadership, etc and you have a very compelling applicant.


Right, the white upper middle class kids get a major admissions bump. but many of them struggle when they're in college. I know a few (a relative and the kid if a good friend) they are both floundering. Others do fine and even great. But 4 years of crap for high school doesn't work for all kids.


So you're saying lower SAT kids struggle in college? Interesting that the universities aren't saying that.


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/07/briefing/the-misguided-war-on-the-sat.html

MIT found that the kids with lower SAT scores struggled or dropped out at a higher rate.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 15:54     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:I finally read the announcement and wow!!! They actually came out and said that applicants that would have been accepted were instead denied because they did not submit their SAT scores.

After 2-3 years of DCUM advise to not submit good scores - like 1400+

Anybody feel like they've been snookered? As in you applied TO even though you had good scores?

The voices promoting TO were fairly loud. "TO means truly TO," etc. Anyone encouraging submission of lower scores was drowned out.

To be fair, most TO schools were truly TO initially. What is happening during the current admissions season is harder to guess and may vary by college. Some will remain TO even after many elite universities change back to tests required.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 15:54     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This article shows why Jackson-Reed HS bats way above its weight class when it comes to elite college admissions.

J-R kids getting a high SAT (1450+) when the school average is closer to 1000 and even worse for DCPS overall are sought after by schools like Dartmouth. Now combine that with some very DC-specific opportunities for interning, leadership, etc and you have a very compelling applicant.


Right, the white upper middle class kids get a major admissions bump. but many of them struggle when they're in college. I know a few (a relative and the kid if a good friend) they are both floundering. Others do fine and even great. But 4 years of crap for high school doesn't work for all kids.


Many do not struggle (somehow just mine and the 10 kids my kid knows are doing very well at college, with my own at a Top 5). Just apparently the two you purport to know. You also seem to now have your own research which refutes the entire thesis of this post...that kids with high SAT scores in fact don't do well in college.

Me thinks your kid was rejected from a top school and you are bitter.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 15:50     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
I finally read the announcement and wow!!! They actually came out and said that applicants that would have been accepted were instead denied because they did not submit their SAT scores.

After 2-3 years of DCUM advise to not submit good scores - like 1400+

Anybody feel like they've been snookered? As in you applied TO even though you had good scores?
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 15:46     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This article shows why Jackson-Reed HS bats way above its weight class when it comes to elite college admissions.

J-R kids getting a high SAT (1450+) when the school average is closer to 1000 and even worse for DCPS overall are sought after by schools like Dartmouth. Now combine that with some very DC-specific opportunities for interning, leadership, etc and you have a very compelling applicant.


Right, the white upper middle class kids get a major admissions bump. but many of them struggle when they're in college. I know a few (a relative and the kid if a good friend) they are both floundering. Others do fine and even great. But 4 years of crap for high school doesn't work for all kids.


So you're saying lower SAT kids struggle in college? Interesting that the universities aren't saying that.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 15:45     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:This article shows why Jackson-Reed HS bats way above its weight class when it comes to elite college admissions.

J-R kids getting a high SAT (1450+) when the school average is closer to 1000 and even worse for DCPS overall are sought after by schools like Dartmouth. Now combine that with some very DC-specific opportunities for interning, leadership, etc and you have a very compelling applicant.


Right, the white upper middle class kids get a major admissions bump. but many of them struggle when they're in college. I know a few (a relative and the kid if a good friend) they are both floundering. Others do fine and even great. But 4 years of crap for high school doesn't work for all kids.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 15:35     Subject: Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
This article shows why Jackson-Reed HS bats way above its weight class when it comes to elite college admissions.

J-R kids getting a high SAT (1450+) when the school average is closer to 1000 and even worse for DCPS overall are sought after by schools like Dartmouth. Now combine that with some very DC-specific opportunities for interning, leadership, etc and you have a very compelling applicant.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2024 15:34     Subject: Re:Dartmouth Announces Test Scores Required Starting Next Year
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Most of the DEI kids we know at TJ and in our public are not disadvantaged kids. They live in the same neighborhoods with professional parents.

There are plenty of disadvantaged URM kids at expensive private schools. What about them?

At my DD's private school, most of the URM kids are children of doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc...

At my DC's school they are on a specific team and they are not advantaged.

Point being, this policy won't help all kids who should have their scores evaluated in context as these kids' scores will be evaluated against are kids who were advantaged in every way.