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Anonymous wrote:OH SHIT!!! NEIL GORSUCH IS GOING TO HAVE TO RESIGN TOO!!!!

Can't wait for even MORE coverage of Gorsuch's plagiarism; given that he's way more important than Gay. The liberal New York Times has featured Gay in their top 5 stories on 12 different occasions in the last month. Buckle up Neil!

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2024/01/breaking-most-important-scandal-in-recent-american-political-and-legal-history

You're aware that this was already discussed across multiple posts, right?

Oh, good. When is he resigning? Which principled Republicans are regretfully calling for his ouster on account of their abiding concerns about the evils of plagiarism? Are they being called RINOs by white supremacists who are only using this plagiarism thing as a pretext to hate on an uppity black woman?

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

This sort of over-the-top accusatory and frankly ridiculous response makes your entire position weak.

The fact is that many Americans have seen many, many videos. Some are indeed videos from Israel that are awful. Some are the videos that Hamas uploads to its own Telegram channels, or other videos from radical Islamists. You seem to want us to only believe the first group and ignore the second group, and that’s not going to happen for rational people.

Anonymous wrote:Can all of Gay's defenders explain why they are so defensive of her? It's a bit puzzling given the revelation that her entire academic history is riddled with plagiarism. What is your point in defending her?

Is it because she's "Strong Black Woman" and you must always defend Strong Black Woman even if they turn out to be mediocre and corrupt?

Because it had nothing to do with her record and 100% that she was not pro-Israel. She was fired for lack of adherence to AIPAC and ADL talking points. So she was removed and replaced with a white, Jewish man who is pro-Israel. It is that simple, and ideological.

Washington Post, New York Times and Atlantic all wrote pieces against Ms. Gay.

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Anonymous wrote:It ended up exposing zionist power that much of the right denies.

It ended up exposing deep-seated Jew hatred in America and how most everyone was pretty ok with Jewish students being harassed.

Jewish students weren't harassed. It is the Zionist lobby trying to silence any opposition to Israeli genocide and apartheid of Palestinians by centering how wealthy white Ivy League college kids feel. It plays on the inherent racism in the US by trying to make the victims white kids living in affluent suburbs of Boston.

No student population in America should need to hide out in a locked room while students outside chant for intifada. You may find this acceptable, but most Americans don’t. Nice try though.

You and the Zionist movement have literally made up lies about calls for genocide. Intifada is not a genocide, it is a rebellion or uprising but you can twist that into any Arab hate that you like becuase it's socially acceptable.
And sorry, there are 25K murdered in Gaza by Israel. Israeli government has spewed its genocidal intentions all over Twitter without once considering the implications of a call for mass extermination. This has been a 75 year war on Palestinians with millions displaced, thousands murdered, and Israel grabbing even more land.

yet you keep centering rich white kids at Harvard. Give me a f-ing break. You're a racist who believes in Jewish supremacy and you keep deflecting to pretend that these wealthy kids are victims. They are not.

I live in the US, not Israel or Palestine. Let me know where the Jewish students are threatening Arabs to hide out in a locked library on college campuses in the US.

And I believe you may have missed the billboard trucks driving around college campuses doxxing Arab and POC students - publicizing names, address, and contacts for anyone support Palestine. And the McCarthy-like tactics of the Zionist movement to libel students (and professionals) who post support of Palestine. Orgs like Canary Mission have been endangering Arab/Pro-Pal students for months. Where's the anger there? Oh, I keep forgetting that only certain lives matter.

People are free to post whatever they want on billboards. Seeing information that you don’t like isn’t the same thing as threatening a group of students and disrupting individuals as they go about their business.

Jewish students were never threatened. Not once. But you keep pretending that Jewish students merely hearing or seeing others protest or chant in support of Palestine is an existential threat to them. It is not and never was. This is about redirecting the narrative so that the conversation is about the wealthy Ivy League kids and literally anything other than the genocide in Gaza. You know, the one where actual people are being slaughtered.

So in sum, seeing information that you don’t like isn’t the same thing as bombing a group of people and ending their lives as they go about their business.

I’m not the PP but I saw a terrible video of a Jewish student getting physically surrounded and threatened at Harvard that sure looks like that poor student was getting threatened. You discredit yourself when there is video proof you are wrong. Also I am not Jewish, before you start screaming Zionist or whatever nonsense you’ll spout.

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I have seen several videos; the harassment absolutely is occurring. There is no reasonable doubt about that. I’m also not Jewish; I am just observing documented facts here.

There is no harassment. Did you see the videos of the Palestinian students who were shot? the one who was in ICU? The video of the funeral for the shot Palestinian child? Or the IG for the Palestinian man beaten bloody outside a restaurant? So many dead and injured Arab Americans (and 24K+ dead Gazans) but the only thing that white America talks about is campus protests - where rich kids felt uncomfortable. It's madness.

Anonymous wrote:The alliance between Jews and POC is over.

So Jews stand alone? With POC on one side and white people on the other? Where do Italians and other non-white, non-POC people fit into this?

Anonymous wrote:Can all of Gay's defenders explain why they are so defensive of her? It's a bit puzzling given the revelation that her entire academic history is riddled with plagiarism. What is your point in defending her?

Is it because she's "Strong Black Woman" and you must always defend Strong Black Woman even if they turn out to be mediocre and corrupt?

I’m confused by this too. I’ve been an active supporter of organizations that bring diversity to workplaces (for instance Black Girls Code, great organization). But it’s also quite clear that Gay was protected and elevated for reasons that had nothing to do with her paltry academic record. The plagiarism allegations against her — and they are remarkable — were not new. The plagiarism is documented and extensive. You can see it on its face.

I’m genuinely confused by the people who seem to think Gay should keep her position. In academia plagiarism and data falsification, when proven, has traditionally been a career killer. And that’s true of men and women of all races. So why defend this so vociferously? It just makes the left look entirely weak and makes diversity efforts look really bad. This is a case of diversity going wrong, it is okay to admit that Gay was unsuitable for the position based on her plagiarism.

I don’t even particularly care about the ham-handed way she handled the Congressional testimony. It was not well-done, but she could have survived it. However, the point is that she never should have been in that position in the first place because the plagiarism and thin academic record should have disqualified her ages ago. But it didn’t. Why defend that so much? It just makes you look foolish to people who aren’t extremists.

What does plagiarism have to do with assaulting Jewish students?

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Anonymous wrote:Tik-tok has been so effective at brainwashing people on this. I am truly afraid for the next election, with so many low-information people willing to become chines/iranian/terrorist-loving puppets.

I'm amazed at how many people truly know nothing about the Israeli government or their systematic human rights violations for nearly a century. Do you honestly not know or refuse to educate yourself on it? Have you read any of the UN reports, foundational documents, seen any of the documentaries or eye witness accounts from the ground?

It's crazy to me how many of you guys live with blinders on. Or it's just plain racism. You hate Arabs and Muslims so much that you're able to swallow the propaganda hook, line and sinker.

DP. I’ve read a lot of UN reports about alleged human rights violations by Israel but after watching how the UN reacted to the 10/7 atrocities I no longer trust the UN.

You don't have to trust the UN. There are thousands of video documentations by numerous different sources. You just don't watch them, and that is the problem with most Americans. They have inherent bias against Arabs because they have been fed media to believe that everyone is a terrorist. Sort of how they believe that all AA are criminals. It is this bias that allows Israel to continue its apartheid practices with zero intervention.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode is an amazing case study in failed DEI principals and policies. Love to see it.

It’s “principles” fyi. Why don’t you spend more time brushing up on your spelling skills rather than focusing on the shortcomings of others.

Sounds like Harvard probably should have applied the similar scrutiny to the Gay’s academic record. Shame.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole episode is an amazing case study in failed DEI principals and policies. Love to see it.

It’s “principles” fyi. Why don’t you spend more time brushing up on your spelling skills rather than focusing on the shortcomings of others.

Have you considered counting the number of DCUM posts that focus on the shortcomings of others? You would be counting into infinity.

Anonymous wrote:This whole episode is an amazing case study in failed DEI principals and policies. Love to see it.

It’s “principles” fyi. Why don’t you spend more time brushing up on your spelling skills rather than focusing on the shortcomings of others.

Anonymous wrote:Can all of Gay's defenders explain why they are so defensive of her? It's a bit puzzling given the revelation that her entire academic history is riddled with plagiarism. What is your point in defending her?

Is it because she's "Strong Black Woman" and you must always defend Strong Black Woman even if they turn out to be mediocre and corrupt?

Frankly, I don't believe it is about defending Gay specifically.

It is more about defending DEI and not being willing to admit that Gay was hired because of her race and gender, was not thoroughly vetted, and the entire focus on hiring based on immutable characteristics is proving to be a failure.

Anonymous wrote:Boy, we sure put that Black woman in her place. This whole thread disgusts me.

Her race is irrelevant.
You folks who are trying to make this about race are desperate.

Can all of Gay's defenders explain why they are so defensive of her? It's a bit puzzling given the revelation that her entire academic history is riddled with plagiarism. What is your point in defending her?

Is it because she's "Strong Black Woman" and you must always defend Strong Black Woman even if they turn out to be mediocre and corrupt?