Anonymous
01/24/2024 13:47
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many posts here attack organized religion and call it evil and the source of evil in the world. People as recently as yesterday have posted they wish they could ban organized religion.
Why do these posters (atheists, anti-theists) not realize our entire country is based upon religious freedom? They are admitting openly they are in direct opposition of the express wishes of our country’s founders and our constitution and laws? Or do they realize and just don’t care?
Also, if you look at countries that limit religious freedom, you see a pattern of government control that makes said country extremely dangerous and authoritarian to live in, it’s not good. If you think organized religion is evil, why are the countries that limit or basically outlaw religion such terrible places to live?
If you are an atheist or anti- theist who thinks organized religion is evil, and you would like to ban organized religion, how do you feel about our forefathers (who thought religious freedom was extremely important) and the emphasis our laws place on religious freedom and liberty?
Easy. You try to cram it down the throats of everyone else. If there is freedom of religion then there is also freedom from religion. Have your religion but stop preaching to rest of society.
You have the right to not have the government establish a religion; you don’t have the right to be free from seeing or hearing or coming into contact with other Americans practicing their religion.
I have the right not to have your religious beliefs forced on me.
An American practicing their religion in public isn’t forcing anyone to follow their religion.
Many people here post that people should only practice their religion in their home or place of worship. That’s not religious freedom.
How are religious views forced on you?
And my First Amendment rights entitle me to criticize, challenge, have contempt for, and disassociate from those who hold contrary religious views. In particular, I think of hard core MAGA Catholics, who follow one of the most corrupt institutions in the West. I also think about the other RW MAGA Christians who, in my mind, are as far from being good Christians as anybody.
Anonymous
01/24/2024 12:25
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:America wasn't really founded on religious freedom. The Puritans mainly wanted their brand of religious extremism to dominate, and they couldn't manage it back in Europe.
So all of america is a lie
You need to get more comfortable with nuance.
Anonymous
01/24/2024 12:17
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Anonymous wrote:America wasn't really founded on religious freedom. The Puritans mainly wanted their brand of religious extremism to dominate, and they couldn't manage it back in Europe.
So all of america is a lie
Anonymous
01/24/2024 12:12
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:America wasn't really founded on religious freedom. The Puritans mainly wanted their brand of religious extremism to dominate, and they couldn't manage it back in Europe.
So you see the puritans as the founding of America, and others see the creation of the constitution.
To me it's pretty clear which one of those is closer to the point.
I guess I was fed way too much "the Pilgrims came to the new world for religious freedom" as a kid. That was just not true.
They came for their own religious freedom. Not for anyone else’s.
-mayflower descendant
Anonymous
01/24/2024 11:30
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:America wasn't really founded on religious freedom. The Puritans mainly wanted their brand of religious extremism to dominate, and they couldn't manage it back in Europe.
So you see the puritans as the founding of America, and others see the creation of the constitution.
To me it's pretty clear which one of those is closer to the point.
I guess I was fed way too much "the Pilgrims came to the new world for religious freedom" as a kid. That was just not true.
Anonymous
01/24/2024 11:25
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Anonymous wrote:America wasn't really founded on religious freedom. The Puritans mainly wanted their brand of religious extremism to dominate, and they couldn't manage it back in Europe.
So you see the puritans as the founding of America, and others see the creation of the constitution.
To me it's pretty clear which one of those is closer to the point.
Anonymous
01/24/2024 11:20
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
America wasn't really founded on religious freedom. The Puritans mainly wanted their brand of religious extremism to dominate, and they couldn't manage it back in Europe.
Anonymous
01/24/2024 11:19
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Too often (and deliberately, I think) 'they don't want public institutions practicing religion' is conflated with 'they don't want religion practiced in public.'
For example, when I don't want the 10 commandments on the courthouse lawn or the football coach at the public school making a big show of leading a prayer at the 50 yard line immediately before a game.
Those kinds of displays aren't so much acts of piety as they are attempts to mark territory.
If the coach is murmuring a prayer on the sideline or the church group wants to gather in the park on a Thursday afternoon, and these things make their lives better, more power to them.
For example, when I don't want the 10 commandments on the courthouse lawn or the football coach at the public school making a big show of leading a prayer at the 50 yard line immediately before a game.
Those kinds of displays aren't so much acts of piety as they are attempts to mark territory.
If the coach is murmuring a prayer on the sideline or the church group wants to gather in the park on a Thursday afternoon, and these things make their lives better, more power to them.
Anonymous
01/24/2024 10:37
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many posts here attack organized religion and call it evil and the source of evil in the world. People as recently as yesterday have posted they wish they could ban organized religion.
Why do these posters (atheists, anti-theists) not realize our entire country is based upon religious freedom? They are admitting openly they are in direct opposition of the express wishes of our country’s founders and our constitution and laws? Or do they realize and just don’t care?
Also, if you look at countries that limit religious freedom, you see a pattern of government control that makes said country extremely dangerous and authoritarian to live in, it’s not good. If you think organized religion is evil, why are the countries that limit or basically outlaw religion such terrible places to live?
If you are an atheist or anti- theist who thinks organized religion is evil, and you would like to ban organized religion, how do you feel about our forefathers (who thought religious freedom was extremely important) and the emphasis our laws place on religious freedom and liberty?
Easy. You try to cram it down the throats of everyone else. If there is freedom of religion then there is also freedom from religion. Have your religion but stop preaching to rest of society.
You have the right to not have the government establish a religion; you don’t have the right to be free from seeing or hearing or coming into contact with other Americans practicing their religion.
I have the right not to have your religious beliefs forced on me.
An American practicing their religion in public isn’t forcing anyone to follow their religion.
Many people here post that people should only practice their religion in their home or place of worship. That’s not religious freedom.
How are religious views forced on you?
The current abortion laws come to mind.
Anonymous
01/24/2024 05:47
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many posts here attack organized religion and call it evil and the source of evil in the world. People as recently as yesterday have posted they wish they could ban organized religion.
Why do these posters (atheists, anti-theists) not realize our entire country is based upon religious freedom? They are admitting openly they are in direct opposition of the express wishes of our country’s founders and our constitution and laws? Or do they realize and just don’t care?
Also, if you look at countries that limit religious freedom, you see a pattern of government control that makes said country extremely dangerous and authoritarian to live in, it’s not good. If you think organized religion is evil, why are the countries that limit or basically outlaw religion such terrible places to live?
If you are an atheist or anti- theist who thinks organized religion is evil, and you would like to ban organized religion, how do you feel about our forefathers (who thought religious freedom was extremely important) and the emphasis our laws place on religious freedom and liberty?
Easy. You try to cram it down the throats of everyone else. If there is freedom of religion then there is also freedom from religion. Have your religion but stop preaching to rest of society.
You have the right to not have the government establish a religion; you don’t have the right to be free from seeing or hearing or coming into contact with other Americans practicing their religion.
I have the right not to have your religious beliefs forced on me.
An American practicing their religion in public isn’t forcing anyone to follow their religion.
Many people here post that people should only practice their religion in their home or place of worship. That’s not religious freedom.
How are religious views forced on you?
Anonymous
01/23/2024 16:26
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Atheists do not want to ban organized religion.
They don't want laws to be created in the name of God or any religion.
Not a hard concept.
Why was America created? Freedom of Religion, and now look the bumbling Repukes want to go against every thing our for fathers fought for. Our military fights for. Our veterans fought for.
Repukes are the party of heathens not god.
They don't want laws to be created in the name of God or any religion.
Not a hard concept.
Why was America created? Freedom of Religion, and now look the bumbling Repukes want to go against every thing our for fathers fought for. Our military fights for. Our veterans fought for.
Repukes are the party of heathens not god.
Anonymous
01/23/2024 16:24
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
I think a more accurate question would be "why do SOME athiests want to ban religion?"
Anonymous
01/21/2024 19:40
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many posts here attack organized religion and call it evil and the source of evil in the world. People as recently as yesterday have posted they wish they could ban organized religion.
Why do these posters (atheists, anti-theists) not realize our entire country is based upon religious freedom? They are admitting openly they are in direct opposition of the express wishes of our country’s founders and our constitution and laws? Or do they realize and just don’t care?
Also, if you look at countries that limit religious freedom, you see a pattern of government control that makes said country extremely dangerous and authoritarian to live in, it’s not good. If you think organized religion is evil, why are the countries that limit or basically outlaw religion such terrible places to live?
If you are an atheist or anti- theist who thinks organized religion is evil, and you would like to ban organized religion, how do you feel about our forefathers (who thought religious freedom was extremely important) and the emphasis our laws place on religious freedom and liberty?
Easy. You try to cram it down the throats of everyone else. If there is freedom of religion then there is also freedom from religion. Have your religion but stop preaching to rest of society.
You have the right to not have the government establish a religion; you don’t have the right to be free from seeing or hearing or coming into contact with other Americans practicing their religion.
I have the right not to have your religious beliefs forced on me.
Anonymous
01/21/2024 19:12
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So many posts here attack organized religion and call it evil and the source of evil in the world. People as recently as yesterday have posted they wish they could ban organized religion.
Why do these posters (atheists, anti-theists) not realize our entire country is based upon religious freedom? They are admitting openly they are in direct opposition of the express wishes of our country’s founders and our constitution and laws? Or do they realize and just don’t care?
Also, if you look at countries that limit religious freedom, you see a pattern of government control that makes said country extremely dangerous and authoritarian to live in, it’s not good. If you think organized religion is evil, why are the countries that limit or basically outlaw religion such terrible places to live?
If you are an atheist or anti- theist who thinks organized religion is evil, and you would like to ban organized religion, how do you feel about our forefathers (who thought religious freedom was extremely important) and the emphasis our laws place on religious freedom and liberty?
Easy. You try to cram it down the throats of everyone else. If there is freedom of religion then there is also freedom from religion. Have your religion but stop preaching to rest of society.
You have the right to not have the government establish a religion; you don’t have the right to be free from seeing or hearing or coming into contact with other Americans practicing their religion.
Anonymous
01/21/2024 15:33
Subject: America was founded on religious freedom; why do atheists want to ban organized religion?
Anonymous wrote:So many posts here attack organized religion and call it evil and the source of evil in the world. People as recently as yesterday have posted they wish they could ban organized religion.
Why do these posters (atheists, anti-theists) not realize our entire country is based upon religious freedom? They are admitting openly they are in direct opposition of the express wishes of our country’s founders and our constitution and laws? Or do they realize and just don’t care?
Also, if you look at countries that limit religious freedom, you see a pattern of government control that makes said country extremely dangerous and authoritarian to live in, it’s not good. If you think organized religion is evil, why are the countries that limit or basically outlaw religion such terrible places to live?
If you are an atheist or anti- theist who thinks organized religion is evil, and you would like to ban organized religion, how do you feel about our forefathers (who thought religious freedom was extremely important) and the emphasis our laws place on religious freedom and liberty?
Easy. You try to cram it down the throats of everyone else. If there is freedom of religion then there is also freedom from religion. Have your religion but stop preaching to rest of society.