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Anonymous wrote:Country is full of idiots. But you knew that.

You mean the 14%? I agree.

Well to be fair since OP started this thread, the numbers have gone up and it’s 16%. It will probably level off somewhere around 25%.

I personally know a bunch of people who were either on the fence about getting it or intending to get it but put it off and and now that we know a bunch more people getting Covid They are planning to get it. Feel like numbers will go up a little little bit more, but will still be lower than the annual flu rate.

The 14% and 16% are likely overstated. These figures stem from a self-reported NIS telephone survey and do not derive from actual data. Surveys are subject to bias. In this case, respondents will likely feel social pressure to respond in the affirmative and people that did not take the new booster may not complete the survey.

Here’s an example of the biases inherent in self-reported surveys. The Covid States Project was a collaborative effort amongst leading universities. https://www.covidstates.org/reports/state-of-the-covid-19-pandemic Its survey reported that 21% of adults had received the bivalent booster by early November 2022 (page 16). Yet, when you look at CDC data for the same time period, adult uptake of the bivalent booster was actually 12%. https://web.archive.org/web/20221116000720/https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-people-booster-percent-pop5 Self-reported surveys are subject to bias, particularly when there is social pressure to respond in the affirmative.

I agree with you on the bias — but disagree with you on the “social pressure”, which might be just as likely to be against taking a new covid shot, or, given the stats you’re reporting, much more likely to be against taking the shot. Without more information, it’s hard to know if the two samples and or populations in the studies that you reported are equivalent, or how relevant the 2022 data is to today.

FWIW, I wanted to get my flu shot and my covid shot a couple of weeks apart, and wanted both of them to be fairly close to the winter months as possible. So, as you report the studies above, I would not have received the covid shot by early November, but actually did get one later — information that wouldn’t have been reflected in either of those studies. I’m not arguing against the findings of either study, just pointing out that, like all studies, they have limitations.

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Anonymous wrote:Country is full of idiots. But you knew that.

You mean the 14%? I agree.

Well to be fair since OP started this thread, the numbers have gone up and it’s 16%. It will probably level off somewhere around 25%.

I personally know a bunch of people who were either on the fence about getting it or intending to get it but put it off and and now that we know a bunch more people getting Covid They are planning to get it. Feel like numbers will go up a little little bit more, but will still be lower than the annual flu rate.

The 14% and 16% are likely overstated. These figures stem from a self-reported NIS telephone survey and do not derive from actual data. Surveys are subject to bias. In this case, respondents will likely feel social pressure to respond in the affirmative and people that did not take the new booster may not complete the survey.

Here’s an example of the biases inherent in self-reported surveys. The Covid States Project was a collaborative effort amongst leading universities. https://www.covidstates.org/reports/state-of-the-covid-19-pandemic Its survey reported that 21% of adults had received the bivalent booster by early November 2022 (page 16). Yet, when you look at CDC data for the same time period, adult uptake of the bivalent booster was actually 12%. https://web.archive.org/web/20221116000720/https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations_vacc-people-booster-percent-pop5 Self-reported surveys are subject to bias, particularly when there is social pressure to respond in the affirmative.

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Anonymous wrote:My teenager volunteers at a hospital. The hospital required her to provide proof of having gotten the flu vaccine by Thanksgiving. They’re not asking for proof of getting the new Covid vaccine. Even people working in hospitals aren’t required to get it!

Most healthcare workers have had covid already at some point. They are also more aware of vaccine side effects than most since they see patient flow. Even many vulnerable individuals are not getting the new booster; only 31% of nursing home residents had received it as of last week. And that does not include those residents for whom the booster is contraindicated; the nursing home resident share would be even lower if they were included. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26718 And even so, covid hospitalizations and deaths are near their historic lows.

Hmm. No.

CMS is the federal agency that regulates health care in the US and they removed the COVID vaccine requirement in June 2023 but they still have a flu vaccine requirement.

The requirement was lifted and the question remains what medical personnel uptake will be in its absence. As of last week, only 7% of nursing home staff had gotten the new booster. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26722

It's not required. the question does not remain. When vaccines are not mandated then the number of people taking it decreases which is why they are mandated to go to school because we know crazy and selfish people won't get them unless there is a hook.

The people being discussed above are medical personnel. They worked through covid, putting themselves at considerable risk to provide patient care, the opposite of selfish. Their decision to take or not take the new booster will be informed by their experiences of the last few years and their familiarity with the fact that the US is an outlier internationally in making broad-based recommendations for the new booster.

You are daft if you don’t think selfish people, MAGA and anti vaxer become nurses and other healthcare staff.

Idk if you’ve been to a hospital lately but nurse assistants need a 3 month class. Not even a 2year degree, less education than the person cleaning your teeth.

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requirements: To become a registered CNA, you must graduate from an accredited course, some as short as 4 weeks, and pass the state exam

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Anonymous wrote:My teenager volunteers at a hospital. The hospital required her to provide proof of having gotten the flu vaccine by Thanksgiving. They’re not asking for proof of getting the new Covid vaccine. Even people working in hospitals aren’t required to get it!

Most healthcare workers have had covid already at some point. They are also more aware of vaccine side effects than most since they see patient flow. Even many vulnerable individuals are not getting the new booster; only 31% of nursing home residents had received it as of last week. And that does not include those residents for whom the booster is contraindicated; the nursing home resident share would be even lower if they were included. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26718 And even so, covid hospitalizations and deaths are near their historic lows.

Hmm. No.

CMS is the federal agency that regulates health care in the US and they removed the COVID vaccine requirement in June 2023 but they still have a flu vaccine requirement.

The requirement was lifted and the question remains what medical personnel uptake will be in its absence. As of last week, only 7% of nursing home staff had gotten the new booster. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26722

It's not required. the question does not remain. When vaccines are not mandated then the number of people taking it decreases which is why they are mandated to go to school because we know crazy and selfish people won't get them unless there is a hook.

The people being discussed above are medical personnel. They worked through covid, putting themselves at considerable risk to provide patient care, the opposite of selfish. Their decision to take or not take the new booster will be informed by their experiences of the last few years and their familiarity with the fact that the US is an outlier internationally in making broad-based recommendations for the new booster.

You are daft if you don’t think selfish people, MAGA and anti vaxer become nurses and other healthcare staff.

Idk if you’ve been to a hospital lately but nurse assistants need a 3 month class. Not even a 2year degree, less education than the person cleaning your teeth.

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Anonymous wrote:My teenager volunteers at a hospital. The hospital required her to provide proof of having gotten the flu vaccine by Thanksgiving. They’re not asking for proof of getting the new Covid vaccine. Even people working in hospitals aren’t required to get it!

Most healthcare workers have had covid already at some point. They are also more aware of vaccine side effects than most since they see patient flow. Even many vulnerable individuals are not getting the new booster; only 31% of nursing home residents had received it as of last week. And that does not include those residents for whom the booster is contraindicated; the nursing home resident share would be even lower if they were included. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26718 And even so, covid hospitalizations and deaths are near their historic lows.

Hmm. No.

CMS is the federal agency that regulates health care in the US and they removed the COVID vaccine requirement in June 2023 but they still have a flu vaccine requirement.

The requirement was lifted and the question remains what medical personnel uptake will be in its absence. As of last week, only 7% of nursing home staff had gotten the new booster. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26722

It's not required. the question does not remain. When vaccines are not mandated then the number of people taking it decreases which is why they are mandated to go to school because we know crazy and selfish people won't get them unless there is a hook.

The people being discussed above are medical personnel. They worked through covid, putting themselves at considerable risk to provide patient care, the opposite of selfish. Their decision to take or not take the new booster will be informed by their experiences of the last few years and their familiarity with the fact that the US is an outlier internationally in making broad-based recommendations for the new booster.

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Anonymous wrote:My teenager volunteers at a hospital. The hospital required her to provide proof of having gotten the flu vaccine by Thanksgiving. They’re not asking for proof of getting the new Covid vaccine. Even people working in hospitals aren’t required to get it!

Most healthcare workers have had covid already at some point. They are also more aware of vaccine side effects than most since they see patient flow. Even many vulnerable individuals are not getting the new booster; only 31% of nursing home residents had received it as of last week. And that does not include those residents for whom the booster is contraindicated; the nursing home resident share would be even lower if they were included. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26718 And even so, covid hospitalizations and deaths are near their historic lows.

Hmm. No.

CMS is the federal agency that regulates health care in the US and they removed the COVID vaccine requirement in June 2023 but they still have a flu vaccine requirement.

The requirement was lifted and the question remains what medical personnel uptake will be in its absence. As of last week, only 7% of nursing home staff had gotten the new booster. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26722

It's not required. the question does not remain. When vaccines are not mandated then the number of people taking it decreases which is why they are mandated to go to school because we know crazy and selfish people won't get them unless there is a hook.

Anonymous wrote:The latest Covid vaccine ("booster" although not really that) creates antibodies to all currently circulating variants. I've heard a few stories in the last couple of weeks from boosted people who were heavily exposed to Covid (including my DH and sister-in-law) and didn't get it.

I really didn't want to get it because I have such a bad reaction to it, but I finally did this week after reading this paper.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.11.26.568730v1

Get novavax. Majority have less of a response with this. Figure the more traditional spike protein after multiple mRNA might also be beneficial. Data points seem to indicate it is a slightly better vaccine.

Anonymous wrote:The latest Covid vaccine ("booster" although not really that) creates antibodies to all currently circulating variants. I've heard a few stories in the last couple of weeks from boosted people who were heavily exposed to Covid (including my DH and sister-in-law) and didn't get it.

I really didn't want to get it because I have such a bad reaction to it, but I finally did this week after reading this paper.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.11.26.568730v1

That study focuses on levels of neutralizing antibodies; however, it does not examine whether that translates into actual protection for patients.

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Anonymous wrote:Country is full of idiots. But you knew that.

You mean the 14%? I agree.

Well to be fair since OP started this thread, the numbers have gone up and it’s 16%. It will probably level off somewhere around 25%.

I personally know a bunch of people who were either on the fence about getting it or intending to get it but put it off and and now that we know a bunch more people getting Covid They are planning to get it. Feel like numbers will go up a little little bit more, but will still be lower than the annual flu rate.

Anonymous wrote:When I went to the ER a few weeks ago the nurse was shocked I had *not* gotten the new Covid vaccine. It's been hard to find appointments at a pharmacy near me and my doctors office just started offering it!

Also I noted that at 50, I was older than all staff in the ER. They all looked around 35 or under.

If 86% aren't getting the new covid vaccine it's hard to take any "shock" as anything more than feigned.

When I went to the ER a few weeks ago the nurse was shocked I had *not* gotten the new Covid vaccine. It's been hard to find appointments at a pharmacy near me and my doctors office just started offering it!

Also I noted that at 50, I was older than all staff in the ER. They all looked around 35 or under.

Anonymous wrote:Country is full of idiots. But you knew that.

You mean the 14%? I agree.

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Anonymous wrote:My teenager volunteers at a hospital. The hospital required her to provide proof of having gotten the flu vaccine by Thanksgiving. They’re not asking for proof of getting the new Covid vaccine. Even people working in hospitals aren’t required to get it!

Most healthcare workers have had covid already at some point. They are also more aware of vaccine side effects than most since they see patient flow. Even many vulnerable individuals are not getting the new booster; only 31% of nursing home residents had received it as of last week. And that does not include those residents for whom the booster is contraindicated; the nursing home resident share would be even lower if they were included. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26718 And even so, covid hospitalizations and deaths are near their historic lows.

Hmm. No.

CMS is the federal agency that regulates health care in the US and they removed the COVID vaccine requirement in June 2023 but they still have a flu vaccine requirement.

The requirement was lifted and the question remains what medical personnel uptake will be in its absence. As of last week, only 7% of nursing home staff had gotten the new booster. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26722

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Anonymous wrote:My teenager volunteers at a hospital. The hospital required her to provide proof of having gotten the flu vaccine by Thanksgiving. They’re not asking for proof of getting the new Covid vaccine. Even people working in hospitals aren’t required to get it!

Most healthcare workers have had covid already at some point. They are also more aware of vaccine side effects than most since they see patient flow. Even many vulnerable individuals are not getting the new booster; only 31% of nursing home residents had received it as of last week. And that does not include those residents for whom the booster is contraindicated; the nursing home resident share would be even lower if they were included. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26718 And even so, covid hospitalizations and deaths are near their historic lows.

Hmm. No.

CMS is the federal agency that regulates health care in the US and they removed the COVID vaccine requirement in June 2023 but they still have a flu vaccine requirement.

Anonymous wrote:My teenager volunteers at a hospital. The hospital required her to provide proof of having gotten the flu vaccine by Thanksgiving. They’re not asking for proof of getting the new Covid vaccine. Even people working in hospitals aren’t required to get it!

Most healthcare workers have had covid already at some point. They are also more aware of vaccine side effects than most since they see patient flow. Even many vulnerable individuals are not getting the new booster; only 31% of nursing home residents had received it as of last week. And that does not include those residents for whom the booster is contraindicated; the nursing home resident share would be even lower if they were included. https://www.cdc.gov/nhsn/covid19/ltc-vaccination-dashboard.html#26718 And even so, covid hospitalizations and deaths are near their historic lows.