Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You don't have to wear a mask. Nobody has flat outorced you to wear a mask.
Gas lighting on a flame-thrower scale.
This has to be a troll, right?
Anonymous wrote:You don't have to wear a mask. Nobody has flat outorced you to wear a mask.
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.
To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I had to wear a mask at work until maybe eight months ago. As someone who is claustrophobic, it was a nightmare, a long flight a pure, unadulterated hell because I couldn’t even go outside to get a good breath.
You are very brave. They will write books about our suffering. The Greatest Generation will become The Second Greatest Generation.
Anonymous wrote:There are people here who will go on and on about "dirty masks" who never give a single thought to how much "dirtier" the 1 cm rim inside their noses and mouths are. Wetter, more bacteria, more of everything and it's coming from inside the house! But that doesn't bother them, because it just doesn't. Rational thought just isn't at the forefront here.
Anonymous wrote:Maybe you can tell us about the dirty masks again, and how they make you feel?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.
To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.
The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.
If the anti-vaxxers were wrong, no one would need a mask anyway because their vaccine would have protected them.
+100
Every vaccine for a contagious disease relies on herd immunity for effectiveness. Every single one.
Name any one that doesn't.
Herd immunity like when 80% of the population has already been exposed to said contagious disease? mmmmkay
So, what vaccine for a contagious disease does not rely on herd immunity, again?
Actually no vaccine relies on "herd" immunity in order to prevent disease in the person that was vaccinated. Not sure where you got your info.
No.
There is a fail rate for every vaccine. For the first MMR, the fail rate is 2-7%. For the second, the rate is similar, but it is usually not the same people -- so by overlap, less than 1% of people who received both MMR vaccines appropriately will still be relying on herd immunity, just as much as those who cannot be vaccinated against it at all.
In a population of 300 million, 1% is 3 million, and 0.5% would be 1.5 million. There are a couple million people or so in the US who are fully vaccinated against measles, mumps, and rubella that are relying on herd immunity to protect them.
Measles antibodies develop in approximately 95% of children vaccinated at age 12 months. Seroconversion rates are similar for single-antigen measles, MMR vaccine, and MMRV vaccine. Approximately 2% to 7% of children who receive only 1 dose of MMR vaccine fail to respond to it, i.e., they experience primary vaccine failure. MMR vaccine failure can occur because of passive antibody in the vaccine recipient, immaturity of the immune system, damaged vaccine, or other reasons. Most persons who fail to respond to the first dose will respond to a second dose. Studies indicate that more than 99% of persons who receive 2 doses of measles vaccine (with the first dose administered no earlier than the first birthday) develop serologic evidence of measles immunity.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/meas.html
Did you want me to do that for another vaccine? Choose one. Similar story for all of them.
Anonymous wrote:
I had to wear a mask at work until maybe eight months ago. As someone who is claustrophobic, it was a nightmare, a long flight a pure, unadulterated hell because I couldn’t even go outside to get a good breath.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Herd immunity assists those who did not get the vax.
And those included in the fail rate who think they are vaccinated. See above.