Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 16:46     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You don't have to wear a mask. Nobody has flat outorced you to wear a mask.


Gas lighting on a flame-thrower scale.

This has to be a troll, right?


There may have been a mask requirement to work at a certain job, but you didn't have to. Just like hairnets in good work, or hazmats in other jobs, or uniforms, some jobs have requirements some people don't want to put up with. You could apply for disability accommodations or get another job, just like anyone else in a job with requirements they didn't like.

Nobody forced you to wear a mask. You also couldn't force them to keep you in a job for which you no longer fulfilled the requirements, though.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 16:32     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:You don't have to wear a mask. Nobody has flat outorced you to wear a mask.


Gas lighting on a flame-thrower scale.

This has to be a troll, right?
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 16:12     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
You don't have to wear a mask. Nobody has flat out forced you to wear a mask.

You might have had a job that required you to wear a mask while present, and that might happen again. Alas, mask-dislikers is not a federally protected class. Some jobs require you to wear shoes all the time (kd lang can't work there). Some jobs require you to do three days worth of stupid mandatory trainings every year, and people loathe that - but it's the job.

If this rises to the level of a diagnosis mental disorder (anxiety, phobia, whatever), then you can work with a doctor and apply for accommodations under the Americans with Disabilities Act. If not, then that's life.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 16:10     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The woman wearing the mask is the sick person. She's wearing a mask near the buffet because she doesn't want to spread whatever she has to other people just trying to enjoy her vacation. She then takes her mask off because, hey, even sick people need to eat breakfast.

She was actually doing YOU a favor by wearing a mask and preventing her viral illness from spreading.

So sad that you didn't figure this out on your own. It means you're not a conscientious person.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 16:04     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
You don't have to wear a mask. Nobody has flat outorced you to wear a mask.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 15:28     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I had to wear a mask at work until maybe eight months ago. As someone who is claustrophobic, it was a nightmare, a long flight a pure, unadulterated hell because I couldn’t even go outside to get a good breath.


You are very brave. They will write books about our suffering. The Greatest Generation will become The Second Greatest Generation.


You seem very aggressive. Did something happen to you? Are you ok?
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 15:23     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:There are people here who will go on and on about "dirty masks" who never give a single thought to how much "dirtier" the 1 cm rim inside their noses and mouths are. Wetter, more bacteria, more of everything and it's coming from inside the house! But that doesn't bother them, because it just doesn't. Rational thought just isn't at the forefront here.


Let me break it down to you in a way that maybe you will understand, although that’s doubtful.

I don’t want to wear a mask anymore than I want to wear a coat during a heatwave in July. It is cumbersome and uncomfortable for me. I don’t care if it does or does not prevent disease. I don’t want to wear it. I didn’t want to wear it and I won’t wear it again.

Period.

You can go ahead and wear underwear on your head or a burqua if that’s your choice.

But leave me the hell out of it!!! Don’t dictate to me what I do with my body. I’m not a crazy hypochondriac germophobe and I’m okay with getting colds and flus and other bugs that come my way. If they scare you, stay at home.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 15:23     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Trigger warning…


😷
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 15:23     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Maybe you can tell us about the dirty masks again, and how they make you feel?


Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 14:47     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Maybe you can tell us about the dirty masks again, and how they make you feel?
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 14:46     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Can lead you to the water but can't make you drink it. So it goes.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 14:45     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Speaking of contrarians, I'm in a hotel dining room having breakfast right now. There is a late middle aged woman wearing a mask. She takes it off to eat, leisurely, at a table closely surrounded by other tables filled with people. She puts the mask back on to go back to the buffet for coffee or a second helping, despite that the food area is far less busy than the dining area.

To me that is paranoid. Not the people refusing to get vaccinated.


The difference being that, if she's wrong, she's not hurting anyone. If the anti-vaxxers are wrong, they're unnecessarily putting others at risk.


If the anti-vaxxers were wrong, no one would need a mask anyway because their vaccine would have protected them.


+100


Every vaccine for a contagious disease relies on herd immunity for effectiveness. Every single one.

Name any one that doesn't.


Herd immunity like when 80% of the population has already been exposed to said contagious disease? mmmmkay


So, what vaccine for a contagious disease does not rely on herd immunity, again?


Actually no vaccine relies on "herd" immunity in order to prevent disease in the person that was vaccinated. Not sure where you got your info.


No.

There is a fail rate for every vaccine. For the first MMR, the fail rate is 2-7%. For the second, the rate is similar, but it is usually not the same people -- so by overlap, less than 1% of people who received both MMR vaccines appropriately will still be relying on herd immunity, just as much as those who cannot be vaccinated against it at all.

In a population of 300 million, 1% is 3 million, and 0.5% would be 1.5 million. There are a couple million people or so in the US who are fully vaccinated against measles, mumps, and rubella that are relying on herd immunity to protect them.

Measles antibodies develop in approximately 95% of children vaccinated at age 12 months. Seroconversion rates are similar for single-antigen measles, MMR vaccine, and MMRV vaccine. Approximately 2% to 7% of children who receive only 1 dose of MMR vaccine fail to respond to it, i.e., they experience primary vaccine failure. MMR vaccine failure can occur because of passive antibody in the vaccine recipient, immaturity of the immune system, damaged vaccine, or other reasons. Most persons who fail to respond to the first dose will respond to a second dose. Studies indicate that more than 99% of persons who receive 2 doses of measles vaccine (with the first dose administered no earlier than the first birthday) develop serologic evidence of measles immunity.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/meas.html


Did you want me to do that for another vaccine? Choose one. Similar story for all of them.


Your post does nothing to help the point you are trying to make. But it has been fun watching you rant on.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 14:44     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
There are people here who will go on and on about "dirty masks" who never give a single thought to how much "dirtier" the 1 cm rim inside their noses and mouths are. Wetter, more bacteria, more of everything and it's coming from inside the house! But that doesn't bother them, because it just doesn't. Rational thought just isn't at the forefront here.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 14:41     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
I had to wear a mask at work until maybe eight months ago. As someone who is claustrophobic, it was a nightmare, a long flight a pure, unadulterated hell because I couldn’t even go outside to get a good breath.


You are very brave. They will write books about our suffering. The Greatest Generation will become The Second Greatest Generation.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2023 14:18     Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Herd immunity assists those who did not get the vax.


And those included in the fail rate who think they are vaccinated. See above.


PS: That's one difference between "vaccinated" and "immunized." Nothing is perfect. Imperfections on a big scale add up. That is also why it matters to everyone. This is never a matter of just individual behavior being fully responsible for every inch of that individual's risk.