Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
I agree fully. Let's send a riot to Sarandon's house and trap her inside for a few hours.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
PP doesn't understand explicit antisemitism? This is what is so scary
People like you are the absolute worst.
You can keep labeling benign statements and views “explicit anti-semitism” until the cows come home, but nobody outside your echo chamber will ever take you serious.
Deeply thankful this Thanksgiving weekend not to have anyone in my life with your worldview.
Sarandon a) was suggesting that Jews did not suffer from anti-semitism before now and b) that she was glad Jews are now scared.
I don’t agree with A or B, but neither of those are things she said.
She said:
“ There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country, so often subjected to violence."
This denies that Jews have been subject to antisemitism before today. That’s what it says. And it heavily implies she thinks it is a good thing Jews are learning this lesson of being afraid.
Personally, I would view that type of statement as “a little tone deaf and kinda insensitive” considering the groups involved and the current climate. I wouldn’t write someone off for that statement alone, until and unless it involved more explicit, inflammatory language. I just don’t find comfort is ascribing specific intent and implications, especially where I don’t see them.
However, I’m not Jewish and I don’t have lived experience as a Jew (although contrary to the thought police here, I do have Jewish friends, including several close ones). Given that, I’ll acknowledge that condemnation from those affected by her statement(s) isn’t unreasonable.
That’s as far as I can go. But I’ll add that the undergirding of my views never involves viewing all Israelis (and their supporters) as villains and all Palestinians (and their supporters) as saints, or vice versa. This IS a complex problem, but the status quo is no way to solve it.
DP. Good grief, the pretzel-twisting you’re engaging in is remarkable. Had she said something similar, but insert a group you feel kinship /empathy with (obviously not Jews), you’d be outraged. Face it: she said something offensive and off-base and the PP who explained exactly why it was offensive and off-base is correct. Sarandon is an absolute idiot.
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Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
PP doesn't understand explicit antisemitism? This is what is so scary
People like you are the absolute worst.
You can keep labeling benign statements and views “explicit anti-semitism” until the cows come home, but nobody outside your echo chamber will ever take you serious.
Deeply thankful this Thanksgiving weekend not to have anyone in my life with your worldview.
Sarandon a) was suggesting that Jews did not suffer from anti-semitism before now and b) that she was glad Jews are now scared.
I don’t agree with A or B, but neither of those are things she said.
She said:
“ There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country, so often subjected to violence."
This denies that Jews have been subject to antisemitism before today. That’s what it says. And it heavily implies she thinks it is a good thing Jews are learning this lesson of being afraid.
Personally, I would view that type of statement as “a little tone deaf and kinda insensitive” considering the groups involved and the current climate. I wouldn’t write someone off for that statement alone, until and unless it involved more explicit, inflammatory language. I just don’t find comfort is ascribing specific intent and implications, especially where I don’t see them.
However, I’m not Jewish and I don’t have lived experience as a Jew (although contrary to the thought police here, I do have Jewish friends, including several close ones). Given that, I’ll acknowledge that condemnation from those affected by her statement(s) isn’t unreasonable.
That’s as far as I can go. But I’ll add that the undergirding of my views never involves viewing all Israelis (and their supporters) as villains and all Palestinians (and their supporters) as saints, or vice versa. This IS a complex problem, but the status quo is no way to solve it.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
If you are incapable of seeing the hypocrisy when it’s served up to you on a platter, it’s a waste of time for anyone to engage with you further.
The students rioted & threatened the teacher to the point the counterterrorism unit was called. And no, “I stand with Israel” is not the same as Susan Sarandon denying that Jews have been targets of anti-semitism and implicitly suggesting they deserve anti-semitism.
+1
I can't even believe this has to be explained to the idiot PP. Every one of those thugs/"students" needs to be disciplined and made to apologize to that teacher.
At the private school I attended, this behavior would have been responded to with suspension -if not expulsion- and permanent comments on the transcripts.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
PP doesn't understand explicit antisemitism? This is what is so scary
People like you are the absolute worst.
You can keep labeling benign statements and views “explicit anti-semitism” until the cows come home, but nobody outside your echo chamber will ever take you serious.
Deeply thankful this Thanksgiving weekend not to have anyone in my life with your worldview.
Sarandon a) was suggesting that Jews did not suffer from anti-semitism before now and b) that she was glad Jews are now scared.
I don’t agree with A or B, but neither of those are things she said.
She said:
“ There are a lot of people afraid of being Jewish at this time, and are getting a taste of what it feels like to be a Muslim in this country, so often subjected to violence."
This denies that Jews have been subject to antisemitism before today. That’s what it says. And it heavily implies she thinks it is a good thing Jews are learning this lesson of being afraid.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
PP doesn't understand explicit antisemitism? This is what is so scary
People like you are the absolute worst.
You can keep labeling benign statements and views “explicit anti-semitism” until the cows come home, but nobody outside your echo chamber will ever take you serious.
Deeply thankful this Thanksgiving weekend not to have anyone in my life with your worldview.
You don’t have any Jewish friends in your life because you are an explicit antisemite.
If someone has “friends” like you or your hero du jour Stu Weldowitz, does that automatically reset their explicit anti-semitism account, or do they also have to explicitly buy into the “Palestinians are all evil sub-humans who don’t even deserve the comfort of the boot that’s been on their throat for the past 100 years” rhetoric?
Palestinian’s certainly do NOT deserve Hamas’s boot, which brought down this destruction on them.
It’s fascinating how people like you just cannot do it - just cannot find it within to feel compassion for others, even when someone reluctantly plays along and paints you into the corner of your own design.
You just cannot express an ounce of actual compassion. The best you can do is “Well, maybe they don’t deserve it, but it’s their own fault, so …”
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Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
PP doesn't understand explicit antisemitism? This is what is so scary
People like you are the absolute worst.
You can keep labeling benign statements and views “explicit anti-semitism” until the cows come home, but nobody outside your echo chamber will ever take you serious.
Deeply thankful this Thanksgiving weekend not to have anyone in my life with your worldview.
Sarandon a) was suggesting that Jews did not suffer from anti-semitism before now and b) that she was glad Jews are now scared.
If you can provide a quote where Sarandon said “Jews have not suffered from anti-semitism before now” or “I’m glad Jews are now scared”, I’ll join your condemnation of her actions without delay. It can be paraphrased, but not the kind of wholesale “pretext and subtext” nonsense I’ve seen here too often.
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Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
PP doesn't understand explicit antisemitism? This is what is so scary
People like you are the absolute worst.
You can keep labeling benign statements and views “explicit anti-semitism” until the cows come home, but nobody outside your echo chamber will ever take you serious.
Deeply thankful this Thanksgiving weekend not to have anyone in my life with your worldview.
Sarandon a) was suggesting that Jews did not suffer from anti-semitism before now and b) that she was glad Jews are now scared.
I don’t agree with A or B, but neither of those are things she said.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
PP doesn't understand explicit antisemitism? This is what is so scary
People like you are the absolute worst.
You can keep labeling benign statements and views “explicit anti-semitism” until the cows come home, but nobody outside your echo chamber will ever take you serious.
Deeply thankful this Thanksgiving weekend not to have anyone in my life with your worldview.
Sarandon a) was suggesting that Jews did not suffer from anti-semitism before now and b) that she was glad Jews are now scared.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
PP doesn't understand explicit antisemitism? This is what is so scary
People like you are the absolute worst.
You can keep labeling benign statements and views “explicit anti-semitism” until the cows come home, but nobody outside your echo chamber will ever take you serious.
Deeply thankful this Thanksgiving weekend not to have anyone in my life with your worldview.
You don’t have any Jewish friends in your life because you are an explicit antisemite.
If someone has “friends” like you or your hero du jour Stu Weldowitz, does that automatically reset their explicit anti-semitism account, or do they also have to explicitly buy into the “Palestinians are all evil sub-humans who don’t even deserve the comfort of the boot that’s been on their throat for the past 100 years” rhetoric?
Palestinian’s certainly do NOT deserve Hamas’s boot, which brought down this destruction on them.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
PP doesn't understand explicit antisemitism? This is what is so scary
People like you are the absolute worst.
You can keep labeling benign statements and views “explicit anti-semitism” until the cows come home, but nobody outside your echo chamber will ever take you serious.
Deeply thankful this Thanksgiving weekend not to have anyone in my life with your worldview.
Sarandon a) was suggesting that Jews did not suffer from anti-semitism before now and b) that she was glad Jews are now scared.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
PP doesn't understand explicit antisemitism? This is what is so scary
People like you are the absolute worst.
You can keep labeling benign statements and views “explicit anti-semitism” until the cows come home, but nobody outside your echo chamber will ever take you serious.
Deeply thankful this Thanksgiving weekend not to have anyone in my life with your worldview.
You don’t have any Jewish friends in your life because you are an explicit antisemite.
If someone has “friends” like you or your hero du jour Stu Weldowitz, does that automatically reset their explicit anti-semitism account, or do they also have to explicitly buy into the “Palestinians are all evil sub-humans who don’t even deserve the comfort of the boot that’s been on their throat for the past 100 years” rhetoric?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
PP doesn't understand explicit antisemitism? This is what is so scary
People like you are the absolute worst.
You can keep labeling benign statements and views “explicit anti-semitism” until the cows come home, but nobody outside your echo chamber will ever take you serious.
Deeply thankful this Thanksgiving weekend not to have anyone in my life with your worldview.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is the latest TikTok university sponsored event https://nypost.com/2023/11/25/metro/jewish-teacher-hides-in-queens-high-school-as-students-riot/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here is video from the lockdown. I feel bad for the teacher who had to flee.
Will any of these kids be disciplined?
I’m not supportive of these actions (the student protests, etc.), but I don’t consider the teacher’s actions any less inflammatory than what Susan Sarandon said and did.
In both cases, I’m fine with what they said and did, actually.
But why are the very same people outraged by Sarandon (or celebrating her being cancelled) not outraged by this teacher?
The teacher went to a rally and held a sign that said, "I stand with Israel." How in the hell is this "inflammatory?" After they suffered a gruesome terrorist attack at the hand of savages, she stands with Israel.
Sarandon, OTOH, made a tasteless, callous statement.
If you are incapable of seeing the hypocrisy when it’s served up to you on a platter, it’s a waste of time for anyone to engage with you further.
The students rioted & threatened the teacher to the point the counterterrorism unit was called. And no, “I stand with Israel” is not the same as Susan Sarandon denying that Jews have been targets of anti-semitism and implicitly suggesting they deserve anti-semitism.
So speech approved by you should be protected and students who tried to “cancel” that speed should be disciplined but speech that you disagree with should be cancelled?