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Anonymous wrote:https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

Look at this DME data. It says there are 1471 students living in the Deal boundary who are of age to attend Deal. But only 1090 of them attend Deal. So you'd have to consider whether the 2561 kids who don't go to Deal are higher- or lower-income than the average for that group. Remembering that a lot of them probably go to private school, they may well be richer. On the other hand some go to CHEC, MacFarland, and EL Haynes which are not notorious rich-kid schools. So I dunno.

Then you'd have to estimate the income of Deal's OOB population, which is 22% of the school so you can't just wave it away without analysis. It's hard to know their income-- there are some from very low-income areas, but many from Brookland and other mixed-income areas such as Bloomingdale and CHEC's zone. So I think it's a hard question and we just don't know.

There are increasingly more and more moments on DCUM where liberal white folks in DC sound more and more like Trump election denial crazy folks. You just wrote two paragraphs to try and convince us that the kids IB at Deal and JR aren't higher SES than kids at other schools. That's insane.

No, that's not it at all. I'm attempting to explain to you that we don't have a good read on the income of the actual student body of Deal compared to the actual student body of BASIS. Not comparing just the kids IB for Deal, comparing all the kids who attend Deal.

Right. So you have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you even have kids in DC? You sound like a single millennial Brookings intern.

Why are you stooping to insulting people? They posted a valid point and I say this as a parent of a kid at another city wide school.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

They won’t let in out of bounds!!!! Bus the kids in now!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

Because they aren't claiming that it's the result of "100% pure lottery!!!!!". Nor do they refuse to backfill.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

Yes, but as someone who has a kid in a different city-wide lottery-in school, but can't afford the high real estate of DCPS who score above average on the PARCC, you have to account for the fact that those who lottery into BASIS are a self-selected group, more educated, more invested in their kids education, and THAT also counts for something.

This. Heck, if I got into a desirable charter middle nad high school, I might even take the opportunity to lower my housing cost by moving somewhere cheaper with a less-good IB school.

Me too. Especially if it's a combined middle/upper school, so once my kid is in, I don't have to worry about highschool.

We were (are?) definitely looking at houses closer to the forthcoming Latin Cooper location if DD had gotten in. IB for Dunbar!

This is how charter schools can drive gentrification. Latin should have opened up EOTR as they promised. Now they'll just drive up prices in Ward 5! Pp since you didn't get in what is your plan?

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

8%.

Janney has less than 1% at risk. Why don’t you go picket them?

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

Yes, but as someone who has a kid in a different city-wide lottery-in school, but can't afford the high real estate of DCPS who score above average on the PARCC, you have to account for the fact that those who lottery into BASIS are a self-selected group, more educated, more invested in their kids education, and THAT also counts for something.

This. Heck, if I got into a desirable charter middle nad high school, I might even take the opportunity to lower my housing cost by moving somewhere cheaper with a less-good IB school.

Me too. Especially if it's a combined middle/upper school, so once my kid is in, I don't have to worry about highschool.

We were (are?) definitely looking at houses closer to the forthcoming Latin Cooper location if DD had gotten in. IB for Dunbar!

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Anonymous wrote:https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

Look at this DME data. It says there are 1471 students living in the Deal boundary who are of age to attend Deal. But only 1090 of them attend Deal. So you'd have to consider whether the 2561 kids who don't go to Deal are higher- or lower-income than the average for that group. Remembering that a lot of them probably go to private school, they may well be richer. On the other hand some go to CHEC, MacFarland, and EL Haynes which are not notorious rich-kid schools. So I dunno.

Then you'd have to estimate the income of Deal's OOB population, which is 22% of the school so you can't just wave it away without analysis. It's hard to know their income-- there are some from very low-income areas, but many from Brookland and other mixed-income areas such as Bloomingdale and CHEC's zone. So I think it's a hard question and we just don't know.

There are increasingly more and more moments on DCUM where liberal white folks in DC sound more and more like Trump election denial crazy folks. You just wrote two paragraphs to try and convince us that the kids IB at Deal and JR aren't higher SES than kids at other schools. That's insane.

No, that's not it at all. I'm attempting to explain to you that we don't have a good read on the income of the actual student body of Deal compared to the actual student body of BASIS. Not comparing just the kids IB for Deal, comparing all the kids who attend Deal.

Right. So you have no idea what you are talking about.

Do you even have kids in DC? You sound like a single millennial Brookings intern.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

So BASIS pulls from all these areas and STILL has only 7% overall "at risk" for their total population. Why is that? This just proves the self-selection point.

Anonymous wrote:So, I have a white kid who's doing real well in middle school, not one of the heavily white ones, and this kid is doing well despite being 'surrounded' by kids who don't.

So I sympathize with the above but nothing about it is guaranteed, peer pressure and teaching to the cohort schools actually get is a thing - BUT - you stick your kid in St. Albans you get one thing and another at Brookland or wherever - nothing about cohort guarantees success or failure.

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Anonymous wrote:https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

Look at this DME data. It says there are 1471 students living in the Deal boundary who are of age to attend Deal. But only 1090 of them attend Deal. So you'd have to consider whether the 2561 kids who don't go to Deal are higher- or lower-income than the average for that group. Remembering that a lot of them probably go to private school, they may well be richer. On the other hand some go to CHEC, MacFarland, and EL Haynes which are not notorious rich-kid schools. So I dunno.

Then you'd have to estimate the income of Deal's OOB population, which is 22% of the school so you can't just wave it away without analysis. It's hard to know their income-- there are some from very low-income areas, but many from Brookland and other mixed-income areas such as Bloomingdale and CHEC's zone. So I think it's a hard question and we just don't know.

There are increasingly more and more moments on DCUM where liberal white folks in DC sound more and more like Trump election denial crazy folks. You just wrote two paragraphs to try and convince us that the kids IB at Deal and JR aren't higher SES than kids at other schools. That's insane.

No, that's not it at all. I'm attempting to explain to you that we don't have a good read on the income of the actual student body of Deal compared to the actual student body of BASIS. Not comparing just the kids IB for Deal, comparing all the kids who attend Deal.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

Yes, but as someone who has a kid in a different city-wide lottery-in school, but can't afford the high real estate of DCPS who score above average on the PARCC, you have to account for the fact that those who lottery into BASIS are a self-selected group, more educated, more invested in their kids education, and THAT also counts for something.

This. Heck, if I got into a desirable charter middle nad high school, I might even take the opportunity to lower my housing cost by moving somewhere cheaper with a less-good IB school.

Me too. Especially if it's a combined middle/upper school, so once my kid is in, I don't have to worry about highschool.

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Anonymous wrote:And if you want to know where BASIS pulls from, https://dme.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dme/page_content/attachments/SY2122_Public%20School%20Enrollments%20per%20DCPS%20Boundary_0.xlsx

25 kids from Deal boundary
17 kids from Hardy boundary
11 kids from Maury boundary
15 kids from SWW@FS boundary
33 kids from J-R boundary

So let's not be saying that BASIS doesn't pull from high-income areas. And those are just the schools with 10 or more kids at BASIS.

It's true that BASIS pulls kids from EOTR, but so does Deal.

Did you think no one was familiar with the data and would notice you ae playing games and cherry picking?

There are almost as many kids IB from Eastern as the entire group you cherry picked. 20% of the HS kids are from JR. 15% of the MS (excluding 5th grade, obv) is from Deal and Hardy. Your cherry picked group is less than 100 out of 650 enrolled.

Here's what you didn't paste:

Anacostia High School 12
Dunbar High School 31
Eastern High School 80
Roosevelt High School 14
Brookland Middle School 10
Eliot-Hine Middle School 36
Hardy Middle School 17
Hart Middle School 11
Ida B. Wells Middle School 14
Jefferson Middle School Academy 47
Kelly Miller Middle School 11
MacFarland Middle School 28
McKinley Middle School 10
Sousa Middle School 11
Stuart-Hobson Middle School 54

Yes, but as someone who has a kid in a different city-wide lottery-in school, but can't afford the high real estate of DCPS who score above average on the PARCC, you have to account for the fact that those who lottery into BASIS are a self-selected group, more educated, more invested in their kids education, and THAT also counts for something.

This. Heck, if I got into a desirable charter middle nad high school, I might even take the opportunity to lower my housing cost by moving somewhere cheaper with a less-good IB school.