Anonymous wrote:The problem is the parents in this county. That’s it. If you’re offended by this, you’re probably part of the problem.

Well, some of the parents may not prioritize education and/or enforce behavior standards. That’s definitely A problem, and probably the one you had in mind.

But there’s another problem where well-educated parents see gaps in their children’s education and make up the shortfall by hiring a private tutor/tutoring center, or “afterschooling”. This means that while the education provided in the schools tends to be awful, they are still able to boast about having “one of the best school systems in the country”. I grew up in school systems that made no such claims. They may not have had as many special programs, but the basic curriculum was stronger, and a booming tutoring industry wasn’t required to get an education. So to the extent that parents are able to identify and fulfill the need of educating their kids outside of school, it masks the lack of education in our public education. Ultimately this may be the bigger problem, because as long as the problem remains hidden, it’s unlikely to be addressed.

I guess I’m part of the problem because I taught my kids how to read, that they didn’t need a calculator in elementary, how to hold their pencil, form print letters, write in cursive, use a dictionary, understand negative numbers, understand long division, understand that a sentence needs both a subject and a verb, understand when they FINALLY got a textbook that it actually had explanations and other useful features, etc. However, I also joined a curriculum committee, attended PTA meetings, attended school board candidate forums (where I had to ask the individual candidates about curriculum because the moderators never asked the questions I duly submitted on index cards), attended MCPS community forums (which were specifically designed to discourage actual discussion), not to mention posting on DCUM. The concerns I raise are usually dismissed by yet another claim that “Montgomery County has one of the best school systems in the nation” citing as evidence the achievements of my kids and their friends.

Anonymous wrote:I've been thrilled with MCPS. Just with they didn't ignore kids who are at or above grade level. They're only concerned with kids who are below grade level but if you understand that and can live with it. It's really great.

You’re thrilled with a system that ignores the kids who are at or above grade level? What crap low standards you have.

Anonymous wrote:Mcps employee here...my kids have 8 years left in the system and I'm hoping they can make it through. I am supplementing with my daughter every day this summer . I do think in another decade the schools as we know it will be unrecognizable and there will be a continued exodus of middle class-wealthy families.

I see this also. There is no accountability in MCPS. It’s a corrupt organization and it’s simply too large to run effectively.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is a shell of its past. First no SRO's, now more protection for the principals? WTF

I find it interesting that MCPS is getting the blame here not the quoted problem:

And that aggressive behavior isn’t from students — it’s “parents and community members.

+1. The thread should be "The state of MCPS parents is atrocious"

+1. Schools are microcosm of society. So until we begin to fix those problems in earnest schools will continue to deteriorate. The funny thing is that studying other education systems in the world pointed to the fact that the problem that exist in the US education system actual are cultural in nature and larger than one school district.

Don’t believe this, let’s look at Finland

Sure. Let’s look at the demographics of Finland. Are you prepared to fight for similar demographics here in Montgomery County?

Demographics is a part of it but also so is general culture. For instance when Finland revamped their education system they made Teaching a preferred career with top schooling required, respect, and high salary. They also have a National curriculum for basic education and while they have a few private schools, those too have to adhere to the same basic curriculum. This means that everyone buys into public education being great because you can’t just take your ball and go elsewhere. They also value time for other types of learning for kids, they value play/outside experiences. Additionally the value health and well being of adults with things like paid sick leave and family leave. Lastly they rank high in sustainable development because Govt, Business actually work together and not at the expense of one another and simple profits.

Other countries our catching up or surpassing the US because we spend elections and legislative sessions on things like abortion which should have been settled law 50+ years ago. Because we won’t figure out national security and defense without billions in waste and making contractors rich. Because we don’t actual value elders and so want to keep raising the retirement age. Etc etc

Does Finland accept an unlimited number of undocumented asylum seekers? How many refugees does Finland accept from all over the world as compared to Montgomery County?

The problem is the parents in this county. That’s it. If you’re offended by this, you’re probably part of the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is a shell of its past. First no SRO's, now more protection for the principals? WTF

I find it interesting that MCPS is getting the blame here not the quoted problem:

And that aggressive behavior isn’t from students — it’s “parents and community members.

+1. The thread should be "The state of MCPS parents is atrocious"

+1. Schools are microcosm of society. So until we begin to fix those problems in earnest schools will continue to deteriorate. The funny thing is that studying other education systems in the world pointed to the fact that the problem that exist in the US education system actual are cultural in nature and larger than one school district.

Don’t believe this, let’s look at Finland

Sure. Let’s look at the demographics of Finland. Are you prepared to fight for similar demographics here in Montgomery County?

For those who don't know:

Finland had no private or religious schools.
Finland has huge social welfare systems.
Finland holds k
Students and parents responsible if there is an issue in a class.

Not comparable to the US at all.

I feel sorry for these people that seem like their paid to justify and paint a rosey picture about the corrupt education systems in the US and here in md in particular. It's not helping by making education difficult for the hardworking professionals and burying your head in the sand when you have people burning out and being discarded bc they try to teach in districts that are irresponsible, which are ubiquitous.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is a shell of its past. First no SRO's, now more protection for the principals? WTF

I find it interesting that MCPS is getting the blame here not the quoted problem:

And that aggressive behavior isn’t from students — it’s “parents and community members.

+1. The thread should be "The state of MCPS parents is atrocious"

+1. Schools are microcosm of society. So until we begin to fix those problems in earnest schools will continue to deteriorate. The funny thing is that studying other education systems in the world pointed to the fact that the problem that exist in the US education system actual are cultural in nature and larger than one school district.

Don’t believe this, let’s look at Finland

Sure. Let’s look at the demographics of Finland. Are you prepared to fight for similar demographics here in Montgomery County?

Demographics is a part of it but also so is general culture. For instance when Finland revamped their education system they made Teaching a preferred career with top schooling required, respect, and high salary. They also have a National curriculum for basic education and while they have a few private schools, those too have to adhere to the same basic curriculum. This means that everyone buys into public education being great because you can’t just take your ball and go elsewhere. They also value time for other types of learning for kids, they value play/outside experiences. Additionally the value health and well being of adults with things like paid sick leave and family leave. Lastly they rank high in sustainable development because Govt, Business actually work together and not at the expense of one another and simple profits.

Other countries our catching up or surpassing the US because we spend elections and legislative sessions on things like abortion which should have been settled law 50+ years ago. Because we won’t figure out national security and defense without billions in waste and making contractors rich. Because we don’t actual value elders and so want to keep raising the retirement age. Etc etc

How many students do they have?

Anonymous wrote:That teacher is not at a school with high property values.

If kids refuse to learn, that's a tragedy, but not harming others.

If a kid has a terrible behavior case, teacher shouldn't complain about skipping! That's a tragedy and a home and societal failure, but not the school's job.

MCPS needs to remove distruptive students from the classroom with the students who behave well, though. That's the main thing the admin can fix.

I know someone who teaches at BCC who complains about the exact same things on that list.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is a shell of its past. First no SRO's, now more protection for the principals? WTF

I find it interesting that MCPS is getting the blame here not the quoted problem:

And that aggressive behavior isn’t from students — it’s “parents and community members.

+1. The thread should be "The state of MCPS parents is atrocious"

+1. Schools are microcosm of society. So until we begin to fix those problems in earnest schools will continue to deteriorate. The funny thing is that studying other education systems in the world pointed to the fact that the problem that exist in the US education system actual are cultural in nature and larger than one school district.

Don’t believe this, let’s look at Finland

Sure. Let’s look at the demographics of Finland. Are you prepared to fight for similar demographics here in Montgomery County?

Demographics is a part of it but also so is general culture. For instance when Finland revamped their education system they made Teaching a preferred career with top schooling required, respect, and high salary. They also have a National curriculum for basic education and while they have a few private schools, those too have to adhere to the same basic curriculum. This means that everyone buys into public education being great because you can’t just take your ball and go elsewhere. They also value time for other types of learning for kids, they value play/outside experiences. Additionally the value health and well being of adults with things like paid sick leave and family leave. Lastly they rank high in sustainable development because Govt, Business actually work together and not at the expense of one another and simple profits.

Other countries our catching up or surpassing the US because we spend elections and legislative sessions on things like abortion which should have been settled law 50+ years ago. Because we won’t figure out national security and defense without billions in waste and making contractors rich. Because we don’t actual value elders and so want to keep raising the retirement age. Etc etc

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is a shell of its past. First no SRO's, now more protection for the principals? WTF

I find it interesting that MCPS is getting the blame here not the quoted problem:

And that aggressive behavior isn’t from students — it’s “parents and community members.

+1. The thread should be "The state of MCPS parents is atrocious"

+1. Schools are microcosm of society. So until we begin to fix those problems in earnest schools will continue to deteriorate. The funny thing is that studying other education systems in the world pointed to the fact that the problem that exist in the US education system actual are cultural in nature and larger than one school district.

Don’t believe this, let’s look at Finland

Sure. Let’s look at the demographics of Finland. Are you prepared to fight for similar demographics here in Montgomery County?

Interestingly enough when you compare the 2018 PISA scores across countries and break down US scores across racial lines, education in the US looks pretty good. US Asians outscore every Asian country except Singapore. US Whites outscore every European country except Estonia. They outscore Japan and Korea. US Hispanics outscore every Latin-American country out there. They just slightly worse than countries like Italy and are significantly better than Greece. There aren’t a lot of African countries that collect PISA data but I would assume that US Blacks would compare favorably as well. They outperform places like Mexico, Romania and Thailand.

But we all know MCPS has been going to hell for decades!

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is a shell of its past. First no SRO's, now more protection for the principals? WTF

I find it interesting that MCPS is getting the blame here not the quoted problem:

And that aggressive behavior isn’t from students — it’s “parents and community members.

+1. The thread should be "The state of MCPS parents is atrocious"

+1. Schools are microcosm of society. So until we begin to fix those problems in earnest schools will continue to deteriorate. The funny thing is that studying other education systems in the world pointed to the fact that the problem that exist in the US education system actual are cultural in nature and larger than one school district.

Don’t believe this, let’s look at Finland

Sure. Let’s look at the demographics of Finland. Are you prepared to fight for similar demographics here in Montgomery County?

Interestingly enough when you compare the 2018 PISA scores across countries and break down US scores across racial lines, education in the US looks pretty good. US Asians outscore every Asian country except Singapore. US Whites outscore every European country except Estonia. They outscore Japan and Korea. US Hispanics outscore every Latin-American country out there. They just slightly worse than countries like Italy and are significantly better than Greece. There aren’t a lot of African countries that collect PISA data but I would assume that US Blacks would compare favorably as well. They outperform places like Mexico, Romania and Thailand.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is a shell of its past. First no SRO's, now more protection for the principals? WTF

I find it interesting that MCPS is getting the blame here not the quoted problem:

And that aggressive behavior isn’t from students — it’s “parents and community members.

+1. The thread should be "The state of MCPS parents is atrocious"

+2. The worst thing about MCPS nowadays is the parents

Mcps employee here...my kids have 8 years left in the system and I'm hoping they can make it through. I am supplementing with my daughter every day this summer . I do think in another decade the schools as we know it will be unrecognizable and there will be a continued exodus of middle class-wealthy families.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is a shell of its past. First no SRO's, now more protection for the principals? WTF

I find it interesting that MCPS is getting the blame here not the quoted problem:

And that aggressive behavior isn’t from students — it’s “parents and community members.

+1. The thread should be "The state of MCPS parents is atrocious"

+1. Schools are microcosm of society. So until we begin to fix those problems in earnest schools will continue to deteriorate. The funny thing is that studying other education systems in the world pointed to the fact that the problem that exist in the US education system actual are cultural in nature and larger than one school district.

Don’t believe this, let’s look at Finland

Sure. Let’s look at the demographics of Finland. Are you prepared to fight for similar demographics here in Montgomery County?