Anonymous wrote:Anybody else think Nick Mohammed actually knows how to play the violin? That or it was a much better fake than you usually see.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we going to get more backstory re why Nate left? Or what happened to Rupert's assistant (are they connected)?

I assume we will. They made a big deal about everybody wanting to know the gossip, and Trent has heard something about hr-type problems. They can’t must leave that hanging now. My guess is Nate saw something (Rupert using his position to molest his assistant who’s decided she’s uncomfortable with it?) and didn’t want to be a part of Rupert’s organization any more. That would provide the growth pp thinks is missing so far.

You might well be right but out of order narration across episodes is a lazy crutch.

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Anonymous wrote:Are we going to get more backstory re why Nate left? Or what happened to Rupert's assistant (are they connected)?

I assume we will. They made a big deal about everybody wanting to know the gossip, and Trent has heard something about hr-type problems. They can’t must leave that hanging now. My guess is Nate saw something (Rupert using his position to molest his assistant who’s decided she’s uncomfortable with it?) and didn’t want to be a part of Rupert’s organization any more. That would provide the growth pp thinks is missing so far.

Anonymous wrote:Are we going to get more backstory re why Nate left? Or what happened to Rupert's assistant (are they connected)?

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Anonymous wrote:I am sensing I'm going to be annoyed with the end of the show because I feel that they are bringing all the storylines into a nice, tidy, mostly predictable little bow. It's too neat and feels like wish fulfillment/fan service instead of real storytelling.

I think it would be more interesting to watch Nate deal with realizing his dad is never going to validate or support him the way he'd like him to, and for Keeley accept the failure of her business (and her own role in it by choosing to get personally involved with her lone investor) without being rescued by her conveniently rich and totally supportive best friend. I'm okay with Roy and Keeley getting back together but it also serves to highlight how manufactured their split was in the first place.

The way these stories have gone make me worried about the others on the show. I will be annoyed if the whole thing winds up trite and tidy with everyone learning a pithy little lesson but also, ultimately, getting precisely what they always wanted in such a way that the lesson feels cheap and unearned and beside the point.

I found this episode kind of infuriating. If this whole thing ends with Ted re-uniting with his ex-wife and Nate returning to Richmond as a coach and the Greyhounds winning the league title and Rupert getting his comeuppance and Rebecca getting her perfect love... I'm not saying I don't want those characters to be happy, but I don't get what the point of telling this story is if you are going to make them happy in the most obvious ways with very little personal growth. The first couple seasons had real transformations for several characters. This one just feels like everyone getting what the want in the end. That's not how life works.

Except that all of these characters *have* had tremendous personal growth. Ted, especially, made a huge breakthrough with his therapist and by learning why Michelle left him. His constant optimism was just too much and she wanted him to be “real.” Nate, also, has had quite a journey to self-acceptance. Rebecca admitted in this last episode that she doesn’t care about beating Rupert anymore - she’s past that and has made her peace with him. Roy and Keely have both experienced personal growth of their own. I think it’s kind of odd that you don’t recognize any of this.

I agree with you. But maybe pp thinks it’s unearned growth? I think most of the characters earned their growth, except for maybe Keeley who suffered for all of maybe 2-3 days and then was rescued by her bff. The others I found plausible.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sensing I'm going to be annoyed with the end of the show because I feel that they are bringing all the storylines into a nice, tidy, mostly predictable little bow. It's too neat and feels like wish fulfillment/fan service instead of real storytelling.

I think it would be more interesting to watch Nate deal with realizing his dad is never going to validate or support him the way he'd like him to, and for Keeley accept the failure of her business (and her own role in it by choosing to get personally involved with her lone investor) without being rescued by her conveniently rich and totally supportive best friend. I'm okay with Roy and Keeley getting back together but it also serves to highlight how manufactured their split was in the first place.

The way these stories have gone make me worried about the others on the show. I will be annoyed if the whole thing winds up trite and tidy with everyone learning a pithy little lesson but also, ultimately, getting precisely what they always wanted in such a way that the lesson feels cheap and unearned and beside the point.

I found this episode kind of infuriating. If this whole thing ends with Ted re-uniting with his ex-wife and Nate returning to Richmond as a coach and the Greyhounds winning the league title and Rupert getting his comeuppance and Rebecca getting her perfect love... I'm not saying I don't want those characters to be happy, but I don't get what the point of telling this story is if you are going to make them happy in the most obvious ways with very little personal growth. The first couple seasons had real transformations for several characters. This one just feels like everyone getting what the want in the end. That's not how life works.

Except that all of these characters *have* had tremendous personal growth. Ted, especially, made a huge breakthrough with his therapist and by learning why Michelle left him. His constant optimism was just too much and she wanted him to be “real.” Nate, also, has had quite a journey to self-acceptance. Rebecca admitted in this last episode that she doesn’t care about beating Rupert anymore - she’s past that and has made her peace with him. Roy and Keely have both experienced personal growth of their own. I think it’s kind of odd that you don’t recognize any of this.

I agree with you. But maybe pp thinks it’s unearned growth? I think most of the characters earned their growth, except for maybe Keeley who suffered for all of maybe 2-3 days and then was rescued by her bff. The others I found plausible.

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Anonymous wrote:I also was disappointed by the scene between Nate and his dad. In real life, cold and withholding parents don’t just all a sudden open up to you and tell you you’re a genius and that they know they were cold and withholding and they just want you to be happy. Rather, you have to learn to move forward without their approval and forgive them for being flawed, realizing it never was about you but about them.

I’m sorry for your experience, but it’s not everybody’s experience. The dad opened up and apologized. No, he didn’t cry or even hug Nate. And the scenes with them playing cards around the table show he’s trying.

It’s a start, and it’s also plausible, maybe because there were no dramatic tears or hugs. It’s also in keeping with the show’s theme of growth. Please don’t make everything about your own experiences.

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Anonymous wrote:I am sensing I'm going to be annoyed with the end of the show because I feel that they are bringing all the storylines into a nice, tidy, mostly predictable little bow. It's too neat and feels like wish fulfillment/fan service instead of real storytelling.

I think it would be more interesting to watch Nate deal with realizing his dad is never going to validate or support him the way he'd like him to, and for Keeley accept the failure of her business (and her own role in it by choosing to get personally involved with her lone investor) without being rescued by her conveniently rich and totally supportive best friend. I'm okay with Roy and Keeley getting back together but it also serves to highlight how manufactured their split was in the first place.

The way these stories have gone make me worried about the others on the show. I will be annoyed if the whole thing winds up trite and tidy with everyone learning a pithy little lesson but also, ultimately, getting precisely what they always wanted in such a way that the lesson feels cheap and unearned and beside the point.

I found this episode kind of infuriating. If this whole thing ends with Ted re-uniting with his ex-wife and Nate returning to Richmond as a coach and the Greyhounds winning the league title and Rupert getting his comeuppance and Rebecca getting her perfect love... I'm not saying I don't want those characters to be happy, but I don't get what the point of telling this story is if you are going to make them happy in the most obvious ways with very little personal growth. The first couple seasons had real transformations for several characters. This one just feels like everyone getting what the want in the end. That's not how life works.

Except that all of these characters *have* had tremendous personal growth. Ted, especially, made a huge breakthrough with his therapist and by learning why Michelle left him. His constant optimism was just too much and she wanted him to be “real.” Nate, also, has had quite a journey to self-acceptance. Rebecca admitted in this last episode that she doesn’t care about beating Rupert anymore - she’s past that and has made her peace with him. Roy and Keely have both experienced personal growth of their own. I think it’s kind of odd that you don’t recognize any of this.

Anonymous wrote:I also was disappointed by the scene between Nate and his dad. In real life, cold and withholding parents don’t just all a sudden open up to you and tell you you’re a genius and that they know they were cold and withholding and they just want you to be happy. Rather, you have to learn to move forward without their approval and forgive them for being flawed, realizing it never was about you but about them.

Anonymous wrote:I am sensing I'm going to be annoyed with the end of the show because I feel that they are bringing all the storylines into a nice, tidy, mostly predictable little bow. It's too neat and feels like wish fulfillment/fan service instead of real storytelling.

I think it would be more interesting to watch Nate deal with realizing his dad is never going to validate or support him the way he'd like him to, and for Keeley accept the failure of her business (and her own role in it by choosing to get personally involved with her lone investor) without being rescued by her conveniently rich and totally supportive best friend. I'm okay with Roy and Keeley getting back together but it also serves to highlight how manufactured their split was in the first place.

The way these stories have gone make me worried about the others on the show. I will be annoyed if the whole thing winds up trite and tidy with everyone learning a pithy little lesson but also, ultimately, getting precisely what they always wanted in such a way that the lesson feels cheap and unearned and beside the point.

I found this episode kind of infuriating. If this whole thing ends with Ted re-uniting with his ex-wife and Nate returning to Richmond as a coach and the Greyhounds winning the league title and Rupert getting his comeuppance and Rebecca getting her perfect love... I'm not saying I don't want those characters to be happy, but I don't get what the point of telling this story is if you are going to make them happy in the most obvious ways with very little personal growth. The first couple seasons had real transformations for several characters. This one just feels like everyone getting what the want in the end. That's not how life works.