Anonymous
03/26/2023 09:38
Subject: Re:Indictment Monday?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/notable-quotable-attorney-general-robert-jackson-indictment-justice-politics-bragg-trump-88ea8715
this explains the problem with this prosecution
this explains the problem with this prosecution
Anonymous
Anonymous
03/25/2023 23:00
Subject: Indictment Monday?
Here we are 21 pages later ad, whomp whomp. Nada.
Anonymous
03/25/2023 13:51
Subject: Indictment Monday?
Anonymous wrote:The best news drops Friday night. Various sources report legal agencies discussing the best way to transport Trump and deal with possible protesters.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-grand-jury-investigation-manhattan-e35836ebb6179e1c0ea28877590cfc1c
Could this really happen?
You tell us.
Anonymous
03/24/2023 11:37
Subject: Re:Indictment Monday?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
How do you know Cohen is his star witness? Seems unlikely. Trump sent Costello in to the GJ specifically to discredit Cohen and Bragg didn’t bother to call Cohen back as rebuttal.
How can he rebut when Costello has documents to prove that Cohen is lying?
Perhaps this is the reason the GJ meeting yesterday was canceled. We will see what happens today.
Do you seriously think Bragg was unaware that Cohen initially lied for Trump? This FEC letter isn’t some new revelation. You’re assuming that experienced prosecutors somehow overlooked lots of publicly know evidence. They undoubtedly have other witnesses and documents.
NP. It’s not about Bragg knowing. It’s about the public knowing.
Huh? That makes no sense. Bragg doesn’t have to reveal his evidence in public until trial.
So, you think he should be withholding exculpatory evidence from the Grand Jury? Because, that is what he is doing.
How do you know he didn't provide this to the GJ? Do you have the GJ record?
According to Costello, who testified this past Monday, the information he provided was new to the GJ and he had to finagle the evidence into his testimony because the prosecutor was avoiding it.
Link to the documents that were supposedly withheld?
Seems the docs were irrelevant and didn't include this FEC letter.
"The emails, which Costello said he handed over to Manhattan prosecutors this week, show the former federal prosecutor has given a consistent account of his dealings with Cohen over the years but do not appear to include any kind of smoking gun pertaining to the hush money probe.
After he testified before the grand jury Monday, Costello told reporters that prosecutors “cherry-picked six emails” from the 321 he said he had turned over to the DA's office. “Of course they took them out of context,” said Costello, who portrayed Cohen as a liar in his testimony. “You need to see each and every email,” he continued, adding, “There must be 100 instances in those documents of him lying to us.”
The bulk of the emails, however, are not exchanges between Costello and Cohen; instead, many are messages Costello sent to Cohen that went unanswered, as well as messages from Costello and other lawyers complaining that Cohen was not returning their calls or emails or forwarding one another and Cohen news stories about his case.
Among the exchanges in which Cohen engaged with Costello are messages showing he appearing to string Costello and his firm along, reassuring them he wanted them on his legal team while repeatedly postponing signing a retainer agreement. No agreement was ever signed, and Cohen denied in later emails that he’d told Costello he wanted him on his legal team, despite earlier emails to the contrary.
In the emails, Cohen also denied to Costello reports that he was going to “flip” on Trump — which he later did. He pleaded guilty in 2018 to criminal charges that included arranging hush money payments on Trump's behalf, including the one being investigated by the DA, and lying to Congress.
The only message that appeared to be directly relevant to the Manhattan DA's case was from December 2018, when Costello emailed a colleague saying Cohen had once told him “he had nothing on The President.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-news-ny-grand-jury-indictment-live-updates-rcna76028
They were not irrelevant.
They included a waiver of attorney-client privilege that Cohen signed and then went on TV THAT night and said he never signed it.
And, his discussions with Cohen are included in his testimony - discussions in which Cohen insisted that he paid the money on his own without Trump's knowledge.
One has to wonder if it was Cohen who had a fling with Stormy Daniels.
No, Costello said during his statement on the courthouse steps that SDNY TOLD HIM Cohen had waived privilege. He had no document that said that.
Costello's job was to add another layer - an attorney-client privilege protected layer - between the interactions between Cohen and Trump. Costello's best buddy is Rudy Giuliani, another lawyer, so after Cohen's home and office were searched by the FBI, Trump was communicating with Cohen through Giuliani ---> Costello ----> Cohen
This was covered in the Mueller Report. Did Costello mention the email where he wrote Cohen: “Sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places" Hmmm???
The fact that Costello was claiming these emails were some kind of smoking gun when in fact they were a bunch of irrelevant emails about how Cohen wouldn't call them back calls into question Costello's credibility. If he was lying about the docs, what else is he lying about?
Anonymous
03/24/2023 11:22
Subject: Indictment Monday?
Anonymous wrote:
I guess Eric Holder is no one. And Hillary Clinton and her staff. And Eric Swallwell. And Lois Lerner. The list is long. Very long, including the Biden family.
No, this is about two standards of justice depending if you have a D or R next to your name.
With Holder and Lerner, are you talking about how the DOJ declined to charge them with contempt of Congress? The same way the DOJ declined to charge Mark Meadows and Dan Scavino with contempt of Congress...that seems to me like the same standard for D and R.
Swalwell was never charged with a crime because he cooperated fully with the FBI as soon as he learned there was any connection between Fang and the Chinese government.
And Hillary Clinton? I'll let Kevin McCarthy explain that one:
"Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee. A select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she’s untrustable. But no one would have known that any of that had happened had we not fought to make that happen."
So Republicans have admitted that the investigation into Hillary Clinton was motivated not by justice but by partisan politics.
Anonymous
03/24/2023 11:15
Subject: Re:Indictment Monday?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
How do you know Cohen is his star witness? Seems unlikely. Trump sent Costello in to the GJ specifically to discredit Cohen and Bragg didn’t bother to call Cohen back as rebuttal.
How can he rebut when Costello has documents to prove that Cohen is lying?
Perhaps this is the reason the GJ meeting yesterday was canceled. We will see what happens today.
Do you seriously think Bragg was unaware that Cohen initially lied for Trump? This FEC letter isn’t some new revelation. You’re assuming that experienced prosecutors somehow overlooked lots of publicly know evidence. They undoubtedly have other witnesses and documents.
NP. It’s not about Bragg knowing. It’s about the public knowing.
Huh? That makes no sense. Bragg doesn’t have to reveal his evidence in public until trial.
So, you think he should be withholding exculpatory evidence from the Grand Jury? Because, that is what he is doing.
How do you know he didn't provide this to the GJ? Do you have the GJ record?
According to Costello, who testified this past Monday, the information he provided was new to the GJ and he had to finagle the evidence into his testimony because the prosecutor was avoiding it.
Link to the documents that were supposedly withheld?
Seems the docs were irrelevant and didn't include this FEC letter.
"The emails, which Costello said he handed over to Manhattan prosecutors this week, show the former federal prosecutor has given a consistent account of his dealings with Cohen over the years but do not appear to include any kind of smoking gun pertaining to the hush money probe.
After he testified before the grand jury Monday, Costello told reporters that prosecutors “cherry-picked six emails” from the 321 he said he had turned over to the DA's office. “Of course they took them out of context,” said Costello, who portrayed Cohen as a liar in his testimony. “You need to see each and every email,” he continued, adding, “There must be 100 instances in those documents of him lying to us.”
The bulk of the emails, however, are not exchanges between Costello and Cohen; instead, many are messages Costello sent to Cohen that went unanswered, as well as messages from Costello and other lawyers complaining that Cohen was not returning their calls or emails or forwarding one another and Cohen news stories about his case.
Among the exchanges in which Cohen engaged with Costello are messages showing he appearing to string Costello and his firm along, reassuring them he wanted them on his legal team while repeatedly postponing signing a retainer agreement. No agreement was ever signed, and Cohen denied in later emails that he’d told Costello he wanted him on his legal team, despite earlier emails to the contrary.
In the emails, Cohen also denied to Costello reports that he was going to “flip” on Trump — which he later did. He pleaded guilty in 2018 to criminal charges that included arranging hush money payments on Trump's behalf, including the one being investigated by the DA, and lying to Congress.
The only message that appeared to be directly relevant to the Manhattan DA's case was from December 2018, when Costello emailed a colleague saying Cohen had once told him “he had nothing on The President.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-news-ny-grand-jury-indictment-live-updates-rcna76028
They were not irrelevant.
They included a waiver of attorney-client privilege that Cohen signed and then went on TV THAT night and said he never signed it.
And, his discussions with Cohen are included in his testimony - discussions in which Cohen insisted that he paid the money on his own without Trump's knowledge.
One has to wonder if it was Cohen who had a fling with Stormy Daniels.
No, Costello said during his statement on the courthouse steps that SDNY TOLD HIM Cohen had waived privilege. He had no document that said that.
Costello's job was to add another layer - an attorney-client privilege protected layer - between the interactions between Cohen and Trump. Costello's best buddy is Rudy Giuliani, another lawyer, so after Cohen's home and office were searched by the FBI, Trump was communicating with Cohen through Giuliani ---> Costello ----> Cohen
This was covered in the Mueller Report. Did Costello mention the email where he wrote Cohen: “Sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places" Hmmm???
Anonymous
03/24/2023 11:03
Subject: Re:Indictment Monday?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
How do you know Cohen is his star witness? Seems unlikely. Trump sent Costello in to the GJ specifically to discredit Cohen and Bragg didn’t bother to call Cohen back as rebuttal.
How can he rebut when Costello has documents to prove that Cohen is lying?
Perhaps this is the reason the GJ meeting yesterday was canceled. We will see what happens today.
Do you seriously think Bragg was unaware that Cohen initially lied for Trump? This FEC letter isn’t some new revelation. You’re assuming that experienced prosecutors somehow overlooked lots of publicly know evidence. They undoubtedly have other witnesses and documents.
NP. It’s not about Bragg knowing. It’s about the public knowing.
Huh? That makes no sense. Bragg doesn’t have to reveal his evidence in public until trial.
So, you think he should be withholding exculpatory evidence from the Grand Jury? Because, that is what he is doing.
How do you know he didn't provide this to the GJ? Do you have the GJ record?
According to Costello, who testified this past Monday, the information he provided was new to the GJ and he had to finagle the evidence into his testimony because the prosecutor was avoiding it.
Link to the documents that were supposedly withheld?
Seems the docs were irrelevant and didn't include this FEC letter.
"The emails, which Costello said he handed over to Manhattan prosecutors this week, show the former federal prosecutor has given a consistent account of his dealings with Cohen over the years but do not appear to include any kind of smoking gun pertaining to the hush money probe.
After he testified before the grand jury Monday, Costello told reporters that prosecutors “cherry-picked six emails” from the 321 he said he had turned over to the DA's office. “Of course they took them out of context,” said Costello, who portrayed Cohen as a liar in his testimony. “You need to see each and every email,” he continued, adding, “There must be 100 instances in those documents of him lying to us.”
The bulk of the emails, however, are not exchanges between Costello and Cohen; instead, many are messages Costello sent to Cohen that went unanswered, as well as messages from Costello and other lawyers complaining that Cohen was not returning their calls or emails or forwarding one another and Cohen news stories about his case.
Among the exchanges in which Cohen engaged with Costello are messages showing he appearing to string Costello and his firm along, reassuring them he wanted them on his legal team while repeatedly postponing signing a retainer agreement. No agreement was ever signed, and Cohen denied in later emails that he’d told Costello he wanted him on his legal team, despite earlier emails to the contrary.
In the emails, Cohen also denied to Costello reports that he was going to “flip” on Trump — which he later did. He pleaded guilty in 2018 to criminal charges that included arranging hush money payments on Trump's behalf, including the one being investigated by the DA, and lying to Congress.
The only message that appeared to be directly relevant to the Manhattan DA's case was from December 2018, when Costello emailed a colleague saying Cohen had once told him “he had nothing on The President.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-news-ny-grand-jury-indictment-live-updates-rcna76028
They were not irrelevant.
They included a waiver of attorney-client privilege that Cohen signed and then went on TV THAT night and said he never signed it.
And, his discussions with Cohen are included in his testimony - discussions in which Cohen insisted that he paid the money on his own without Trump's knowledge.
One has to wonder if it was Cohen who had a fling with Stormy Daniels.
The NBC article says that’s not the case. If you’ve got a link to the docs please provide. Otherwise they’re irrelevant.
Anonymous
03/24/2023 10:52
Subject: Re:Indictment Monday?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
How do you know Cohen is his star witness? Seems unlikely. Trump sent Costello in to the GJ specifically to discredit Cohen and Bragg didn’t bother to call Cohen back as rebuttal.
How can he rebut when Costello has documents to prove that Cohen is lying?
Perhaps this is the reason the GJ meeting yesterday was canceled. We will see what happens today.
Do you seriously think Bragg was unaware that Cohen initially lied for Trump? This FEC letter isn’t some new revelation. You’re assuming that experienced prosecutors somehow overlooked lots of publicly know evidence. They undoubtedly have other witnesses and documents.
NP. It’s not about Bragg knowing. It’s about the public knowing.
Huh? That makes no sense. Bragg doesn’t have to reveal his evidence in public until trial.
So, you think he should be withholding exculpatory evidence from the Grand Jury? Because, that is what he is doing.
How do you know he didn't provide this to the GJ? Do you have the GJ record?
According to Costello, who testified this past Monday, the information he provided was new to the GJ and he had to finagle the evidence into his testimony because the prosecutor was avoiding it.
Link to the documents that were supposedly withheld?
Seems the docs were irrelevant and didn't include this FEC letter.
"The emails, which Costello said he handed over to Manhattan prosecutors this week, show the former federal prosecutor has given a consistent account of his dealings with Cohen over the years but do not appear to include any kind of smoking gun pertaining to the hush money probe.
After he testified before the grand jury Monday, Costello told reporters that prosecutors “cherry-picked six emails” from the 321 he said he had turned over to the DA's office. “Of course they took them out of context,” said Costello, who portrayed Cohen as a liar in his testimony. “You need to see each and every email,” he continued, adding, “There must be 100 instances in those documents of him lying to us.”
The bulk of the emails, however, are not exchanges between Costello and Cohen; instead, many are messages Costello sent to Cohen that went unanswered, as well as messages from Costello and other lawyers complaining that Cohen was not returning their calls or emails or forwarding one another and Cohen news stories about his case.
Among the exchanges in which Cohen engaged with Costello are messages showing he appearing to string Costello and his firm along, reassuring them he wanted them on his legal team while repeatedly postponing signing a retainer agreement. No agreement was ever signed, and Cohen denied in later emails that he’d told Costello he wanted him on his legal team, despite earlier emails to the contrary.
In the emails, Cohen also denied to Costello reports that he was going to “flip” on Trump — which he later did. He pleaded guilty in 2018 to criminal charges that included arranging hush money payments on Trump's behalf, including the one being investigated by the DA, and lying to Congress.
The only message that appeared to be directly relevant to the Manhattan DA's case was from December 2018, when Costello emailed a colleague saying Cohen had once told him “he had nothing on The President.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-news-ny-grand-jury-indictment-live-updates-rcna76028
They were not irrelevant.
They included a waiver of attorney-client privilege that Cohen signed and then went on TV THAT night and said he never signed it.
And, his discussions with Cohen are included in his testimony - discussions in which Cohen insisted that he paid the money on his own without Trump's knowledge.
One has to wonder if it was Cohen who had a fling with Stormy Daniels.
Cohen is allowed to lie to Costello. Weird that this is the yardstick for judging someone’s truthfulness in court lol
If this is the yardstick, then no judge or jury should ever believe something Trump asserts in court based on his demonstrable 30,000+ lies while POTUS.
Anonymous
03/24/2023 10:48
Subject: Re:Indictment Monday?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
How do you know Cohen is his star witness? Seems unlikely. Trump sent Costello in to the GJ specifically to discredit Cohen and Bragg didn’t bother to call Cohen back as rebuttal.
How can he rebut when Costello has documents to prove that Cohen is lying?
Perhaps this is the reason the GJ meeting yesterday was canceled. We will see what happens today.
Do you seriously think Bragg was unaware that Cohen initially lied for Trump? This FEC letter isn’t some new revelation. You’re assuming that experienced prosecutors somehow overlooked lots of publicly know evidence. They undoubtedly have other witnesses and documents.
NP. It’s not about Bragg knowing. It’s about the public knowing.
Huh? That makes no sense. Bragg doesn’t have to reveal his evidence in public until trial.
So, you think he should be withholding exculpatory evidence from the Grand Jury? Because, that is what he is doing.
How do you know he didn't provide this to the GJ? Do you have the GJ record?
According to Costello, who testified this past Monday, the information he provided was new to the GJ and he had to finagle the evidence into his testimony because the prosecutor was avoiding it.
Link to the documents that were supposedly withheld?
Seems the docs were irrelevant and didn't include this FEC letter.
"The emails, which Costello said he handed over to Manhattan prosecutors this week, show the former federal prosecutor has given a consistent account of his dealings with Cohen over the years but do not appear to include any kind of smoking gun pertaining to the hush money probe.
After he testified before the grand jury Monday, Costello told reporters that prosecutors “cherry-picked six emails” from the 321 he said he had turned over to the DA's office. “Of course they took them out of context,” said Costello, who portrayed Cohen as a liar in his testimony. “You need to see each and every email,” he continued, adding, “There must be 100 instances in those documents of him lying to us.”
The bulk of the emails, however, are not exchanges between Costello and Cohen; instead, many are messages Costello sent to Cohen that went unanswered, as well as messages from Costello and other lawyers complaining that Cohen was not returning their calls or emails or forwarding one another and Cohen news stories about his case.
Among the exchanges in which Cohen engaged with Costello are messages showing he appearing to string Costello and his firm along, reassuring them he wanted them on his legal team while repeatedly postponing signing a retainer agreement. No agreement was ever signed, and Cohen denied in later emails that he’d told Costello he wanted him on his legal team, despite earlier emails to the contrary.
In the emails, Cohen also denied to Costello reports that he was going to “flip” on Trump — which he later did. He pleaded guilty in 2018 to criminal charges that included arranging hush money payments on Trump's behalf, including the one being investigated by the DA, and lying to Congress.
The only message that appeared to be directly relevant to the Manhattan DA's case was from December 2018, when Costello emailed a colleague saying Cohen had once told him “he had nothing on The President.”"
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/live-blog/trump-news-ny-grand-jury-indictment-live-updates-rcna76028
They were not irrelevant.
They included a waiver of attorney-client privilege that Cohen signed and then went on TV THAT night and said he never signed it.
And, his discussions with Cohen are included in his testimony - discussions in which Cohen insisted that he paid the money on his own without Trump's knowledge.
One has to wonder if it was Cohen who had a fling with Stormy Daniels.