Anonymous
02/05/2023 07:47
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/
My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.
Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.
The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.
Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.
All schools give girls one bid.
Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.
This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.
And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.
I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.
Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”
“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.
This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.
The “everyone gets a bid policy” is not a part of the binding agreements that Panhellenic councils agree to abide by, and I can’t find anything explicit in the “Best Practices” either. It does say under “best practices” that sororities should be willing to make a bid to girls who attend pref night, but there is nothing about making sure that all girls actually have invitations on pref night. So, sororities drop girls they don’t want to pledge before pref night, and then quotas are based on who is left on pref night. That doesn’t help you if you’re dropped before pref night.
https://npcwomen.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/NPC-Manual-of-Information.pdf
Why are you prattling on that women can get cross-cut? It's true. But it would be rare to get asked back to only houses that are top/middle of the pack (thus, eliminating the bottom house(s) that ask anyone back) early enough in the week, THEN get cross-cut prior to Pref round. At that point, the PNM would be a great candidate for a snap bid.
Anonymous
02/05/2023 03:10
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/
My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.
Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.
The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.
Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.
All schools give girls one bid.
Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.
This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.
And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.
I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.
Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”
“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.
This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.
The “everyone gets a bid policy” is not a part of the binding agreements that Panhellenic councils agree to abide by, and I can’t find anything explicit in the “Best Practices” either. It does say under “best practices” that sororities should be willing to make a bid to girls who attend pref night, but there is nothing about making sure that all girls actually have invitations on pref night. So, sororities drop girls they don’t want to pledge before pref night, and then quotas are based on who is left on pref night. That doesn’t help you if you’re dropped before pref night.
https://npcwomen.wpengine.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/NPC-Manual-of-Information.pdf
Anonymous
02/05/2023 02:52
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/
My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.
Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.
100% Untrue. my daughter went through last year and got no bids. Rush just ended at her school and 100 kids got no bids.
The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.
Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.
All schools give girls one bid.
Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.
This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.
And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.
I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.
Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”
“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.
This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.
So you admit that when you say “everyone gets a bid” you mean “everyone who is left on preference round will get a bid.” This is misleading, because as admitted by pp, and some of the literature cited here, girls do get “cross cut,” i.e., completely dropped by all houses earlier in the process. They say that *all* of those girls are ones who chose to drop out because they didn’t like their options, but that is not true.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 22:41
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
At an SEC school, it is all about connections with current and very recent grads. They say there’s no dirty rush, but that’s absolutely what happens. At other schools, it might really be about the girl herself and feeling matched with other girls.
What would your suggestion be for a girl going to an SEC school that is eager to rush and already has a list of favored sororities based on legacy mom from different school and also others that have community service areas that interests her? She wouldn't have any connection to people at the school so she would have to be starting from scratch?
Drop the crush list. Go in with an open mind. Some of those SEC schools will have 90% of their bid list set by the time the incoming class graduates from high school. Legacy status means nothing these days. Focus on activities that she is passionate about.
Anonymous
02/04/2023 22:15
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
At an SEC school, it is all about connections with current and very recent grads. They say there’s no dirty rush, but that’s absolutely what happens. At other schools, it might really be about the girl herself and feeling matched with other girls.
What would your suggestion be for a girl going to an SEC school that is eager to rush and already has a list of favored sororities based on legacy mom from different school and also others that have community service areas that interests her? She wouldn't have any connection to people at the school so she would have to be starting from scratch?
Anonymous
02/03/2023 18:07
Subject: Sorority recruitment
You don’t know until you try.
Sororities are more diverse than they were 30 years ago. House “tiers” only matter to a tiny population of people that you likely don’t want to interact with anyway.
If your daughter wants to try, encourage her to. just go in with an open mind that this is a fun thing to try. She can decide to join or not.
FWIw: It will help her to build confidence. Rush (potential new member recruitment) is a good trial run for interviewing for a job. Nobody expects perfection but in a week it teaches you how to hold a conversation with just about anyone. When I interview for entry level roles i immediately see the training come through with fraternity and sorority members, vs your general recent college grad.
Bonus that no one talks about is the alumni network. I didn’t have an awesome sorority experience but I am an alumni mentor. Big national network of people with a commonality does help you get jobs. I mentor one or two college students a year through my sorority. That’s an advantage that you don’t get if you aren’t in it.
Sororities are more diverse than they were 30 years ago. House “tiers” only matter to a tiny population of people that you likely don’t want to interact with anyway.
If your daughter wants to try, encourage her to. just go in with an open mind that this is a fun thing to try. She can decide to join or not.
FWIw: It will help her to build confidence. Rush (potential new member recruitment) is a good trial run for interviewing for a job. Nobody expects perfection but in a week it teaches you how to hold a conversation with just about anyone. When I interview for entry level roles i immediately see the training come through with fraternity and sorority members, vs your general recent college grad.
Bonus that no one talks about is the alumni network. I didn’t have an awesome sorority experience but I am an alumni mentor. Big national network of people with a commonality does help you get jobs. I mentor one or two college students a year through my sorority. That’s an advantage that you don’t get if you aren’t in it.
Anonymous
02/03/2023 16:43
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/
My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.
Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.
The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.
Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.
All schools give girls one bid.
Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.
This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.
And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.
I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.
Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”
“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.
This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.
Don’t play semantics. Not having anything for preference night = no bid. Not even from the house that can’t make numbers without university intervention and manipulation.
if your kid doesn't get a bid from the "bottom house" that struggled making numbers, they are doing something VERY wrong.
Not every school has that house
EVERY school has a bottom house.
According to multiple previous posters, there no such thing.
Every school has a least-popular house. They can't all be on equal footing. The only exception to that might be Tufts? What schools are people claiming doesn't have a bottom house?
The unfortunate reality of the least popular sororities on my campus is that they would take anyone who saw the process through and wasn't a complete a-hole.
Is this because everyone at Tufts is socially awkward?
They are not, but if that makes you feel better, then sure.....
Love it when people have never been to a school try to remark on a school!
It was a joke … especially since I AM familiar with Tufts and like everywhere there is still a hierarchy in the Greek system (which admittedly involves a very small number of students anyway) so not sure what else the poster could have meant.
God, you Tufts people are so sensitive. No, Tufts used to (maybe still does) have a rule that everyone who signed up for recruitment had to get a bid. The school could force a sorority to extend a bid to someone. That doesn’t happen on any other campus.
Anonymous
02/03/2023 16:30
Subject: Sorority recruitment
When discussing whether or not "every girl gets a bid" can we at least all agree that we are not talking about the girls who voluntarily remove themselves from the process because they don't like their option(s) at any point along the way?
Seems obvious to me that of course you won't get a bid if you quit but I feel like some people are talking around each other here.
Seems obvious to me that of course you won't get a bid if you quit but I feel like some people are talking around each other here.
Anonymous
02/03/2023 16:17
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/
My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.
Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.
100% Untrue. my daughter went through last year and got no bids. Rush just ended at her school and 100 kids got no bids.
The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.
Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.
All schools give girls one bid.
Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.
This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.
And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.
I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.
Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”
“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.
This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.
Anonymous
02/03/2023 16:16
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/
My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.
Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.
The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.
Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.
All schools give girls one bid.
Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.
This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.
And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.
I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.
Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”
“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.
This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.
Don’t play semantics. Not having anything for preference night = no bid. Not even from the house that can’t make numbers without university intervention and manipulation.
if your kid doesn't get a bid from the "bottom house" that struggled making numbers, they are doing something VERY wrong.
Not every school has that house
EVERY school has a bottom house.
According to multiple previous posters, there no such thing.
Every school has a least-popular house. They can't all be on equal footing. The only exception to that might be Tufts? What schools are people claiming doesn't have a bottom house?
The unfortunate reality of the least popular sororities on my campus is that they would take anyone who saw the process through and wasn't a complete a-hole.
Is this because everyone at Tufts is socially awkward?
They are not, but if that makes you feel better, then sure.....
Love it when people have never been to a school try to remark on a school!
It was a joke … especially since I AM familiar with Tufts and like everywhere there is still a hierarchy in the Greek system (which admittedly involves a very small number of students anyway) so not sure what else the poster could have meant.
Anonymous
02/03/2023 16:13
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/
My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.
Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.
The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.
Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.
All schools give girls one bid.
Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.
This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.
And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.
I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.
Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”
“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.
This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.
Don’t play semantics. Not having anything for preference night = no bid. Not even from the house that can’t make numbers without university intervention and manipulation.
if your kid doesn't get a bid from the "bottom house" that struggled making numbers, they are doing something VERY wrong.
Not every school has that house
EVERY school has a bottom house.
According to multiple previous posters, there no such thing.
Every school has a least-popular house. They can't all be on equal footing. The only exception to that might be Tufts? What schools are people claiming doesn't have a bottom house?
The unfortunate reality of the least popular sororities on my campus is that they would take anyone who saw the process through and wasn't a complete a-hole.
Is this because everyone at Tufts is socially awkward?
They are not, but if that makes you feel better, then sure.....
Love it when people have never been to a school try to remark on a school!
Anonymous
02/03/2023 16:09
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Also, remember that each house has a large number of sisters. A girl may have 10 girls she knows and likes in the sorority. If she goes to a rush party and just talks to them, she likely won’t get in. Not because they “turn” on her because the other girls in the sorority who she doesn’t know still don’t know her after the party. It’s critical that a girl meet as many sisters as possible at each party.
In 20 minutes.
The whole process is strange. Pick "your best friends" for the next 4 years from 3-4 meetings, of 3-5 mins with 4 or 5 girls each time, all while you are working your hardest to "present yourself"---or rather let others pick your best friends for the next 4 years.
That's not how normal people pick friends. You hang out with people, get to know them by spending hours with them, not minutes. Hang out watching movies, go to dinner, shopping, playing games, going to parties, playing sports, studying, etc.. And you decide if they are for you once you really get to know them, not the other way around.
Rush and Greek life are completely optional. If it doesn’t make sense for your kid, they shouldn’t rush.
This is what I don't get. All of the pearl clutching and judgemental comments over a totally voluntary endeavor. Everyone knows the process and potential outcomes so do it or not, no one cares. If you don't get the result you want have some confidence and do something else. There are roughly 750,000 active members and 9 million alumni members involved in the Greek system in America so obviously it is a choice of many students and no one held a gun to their head forcing them to do it.
NP here. You are not wrong. Its nobody's business but those who choose to go through the process. That being said, for me, its like a fascinating glimpse into some foreign culture. Neither me nor my kid would ever have any interest in joining these types of groups and the "speed friending" thing just seems so bizarre. No more or less weird than other strange customs, I guess. But I can see how kids can get hurt in the process.
https://www.expatriatehealthcare.com/10-of-the-strangest-traditions-from-around-the-world/
Anonymous
02/03/2023 15:59
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/
My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.
Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.
The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.
Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.
All schools give girls one bid.
Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.
This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.
And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.
I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.
Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”
“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.
This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.
Don’t play semantics. Not having anything for preference night = no bid. Not even from the house that can’t make numbers without university intervention and manipulation.
if your kid doesn't get a bid from the "bottom house" that struggled making numbers, they are doing something VERY wrong.
Not every school has that house
EVERY school has a bottom house.
According to multiple previous posters, there no such thing.
Every school has a least-popular house. They can't all be on equal footing. The only exception to that might be Tufts? What schools are people claiming doesn't have a bottom house?
The unfortunate reality of the least popular sororities on my campus is that they would take anyone who saw the process through and wasn't a complete a-hole.
Is this because everyone at Tufts is socially awkward?
Anonymous
02/03/2023 13:34
Subject: Sorority recruitment
Every campus as a less popular house, no question. Doesn't mean they take everyone, but they have a MUCH lower bar than others. Seriously if girls are not getting invites from that house, they are really unusual and probably have either been bad mouthing the house, act disinterested or are extremely awkward.
Anonymous
02/03/2023 13:16
Subject: Re:Sorority recruitment
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The whole rush process is demented. I don't know about SLACs, but I went to UGA 30 years ago, and it was bad then. From what I hear from friend's kids, social media has not made it better/
My DC is at my alma mater (where I was in a sorority) and I can conclusively say that social media has made the entire process much worse. This school (not Bama!) has had some students with fairly high social media profiles and the number of women going out for rush and having their hearts set on the “top” houses has ballooned. What used to be just an informal, niche, rumor mill kind of “ranking” system has become very entrenched and documented on the internet/social media and now everyone thinks they’re a failure if they don’t pledge XYZ house. That thing about having a bid for everyone? Doesn’t work that way anymore. Too many girls. It’s kind of interesting — the boys seem unaffected by it and, if anything, less interested in frats. Guys are still rushing, but numbers are down, and plenty of guys are looking at the pledge process (hazing) and saying “no thanks.” Social media ruins everything.
Agree. At my DD’s school, rush for the girls was the miserable, one bid nightmare the girls fear. Run by a grad student who didn’t care about the girls’ experiences at all. They didn’t open enough spaces for the increased enrollment to intentionally force the one unpopular house to grow, counting on all those one bid girls to settle instead of quit: USING those girls, their first college experience, and their emotions to reach their goals of saving that house.
The boys on the other hand just dirty rush, no formal recruitment. So laid back.
Immature women just love to hurt other women and rush lets them pick “winners” and “losers” and continuing the hierarchy that they claim doesn’t exist but secretly love and take pride in. And all of this misery is endorsed by the school and the directors of recruitment. At this school, it got so bad that mothers were telling their girls to go to a different state U of they wanted to rush.
All schools give girls one bid.
Another my daughter was too good for the sorority she gotten into so the system is judgmental and superficial, but my kid is not post.
This is not true. At my DC’s school, there were only enough bids for about 50% of the girls who went through rush.
And my DC is a boy, so I don’t have any personal interest in it. I just heard a lot about the aftermath, and it wasn’t pretty.
I’m sure as a mom of a college aged boy you have more accurate info than a woman who handled in charge of rush at her sorority.
Pp Mom of college boy here — I was in a sorority in college, as well. Does that make me more of an “expert?”
“Everyone gets a bid” was not true when I was in a sorority, and it’s not true now at that college. In fact, because of the increase in the girls going through rush, it’s less true at this school. It may very well be true at the other person’s college, but the point is that every college handles rush differently — these are not National rules.
This is 100% wrong. National Panhellenic has moved to a model that requires every woman who finishes recruitment get a bid. Some women drop on their own. A fee are cross cut and don’t finish because they have no invitations for Preference round. But the at the vast majority of schools if a woman fuu it was not voluntarily drop out, she will be given a bid to a house. I can think of only one big school that doesn’t do this. (Indiana). They use a method called RFM. Chapters are all told how many women to release each round and how many to invite based on their yield. For “top” chapters, women who would be at the bottom of their bid list are released early, so that they can focus on their other options.
Don’t play semantics. Not having anything for preference night = no bid. Not even from the house that can’t make numbers without university intervention and manipulation.
if your kid doesn't get a bid from the "bottom house" that struggled making numbers, they are doing something VERY wrong.
Not every school has that house
EVERY school has a bottom house.
According to multiple previous posters, there no such thing.
Every school has a least-popular house. They can't all be on equal footing. The only exception to that might be Tufts? What schools are people claiming doesn't have a bottom house?
The unfortunate reality of the least popular sororities on my campus is that they would take anyone who saw the process through and wasn't a complete a-hole.