Anonymous
03/16/2023 13:58
Subject: Arlington "missing middle"
Anonymous wrote:This is just so stupid. Builders don't care about housing. They care about money. This will do nothing except build more units out of reach of the non rich and line the pockets of builders.
Do you think they are stupid? They will make this work for themselves. Watch.
Since a board member told me no one had asked builders who will build MM housing it will be interesting to see who does. Most of the builders of single families are small scale and build what they know. Some have told me they will build townhouses or semi detached but no one said it makes sense to build a six unit building. I am not sure EYA, NV or larger multi family developers would build them because they would likely have one tear down lot at a time. If they could assemble a larger parcel, they could build a larger building or a townhouse community.
Arlington has a pass it and they’ll buildu it mentality. As you said, follow the money not policy
Anonymous
03/16/2023 13:47
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
Anonymous wrote:
Residents are residents, no? Or do only some residents count as residents?
No. Non-residents who want to live in Arlington count more than residents.
You mean like the YIMBYs who call themselves Arlington refugees
Anonymous
03/16/2023 13:01
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They have given the thumbs up to the proposal and the middle finger to current residents.
At least there will be an annual cap to the permits and a design book that developers and future slumlords will have to choose from.
https://www.arlnow.com/2023/03/09/arlington-planning-commission-gives-thumbs-up-to-missing-middle-zoning-changes/
Many current residents support the proposal.
Current apartment renters. Basically builders started with urban village model (high density tapering off from transit hubs) which is a very sensible model, and built higher and higher, and then courted those rental “residents” to support high density in all of Arlington, abandoning smart growth and urban village.
Residents are residents, no? Or do only some residents count as residents?
I wonder if those apartment dwellers who supposedly support the proposal were informed that missing middle housing will start at $600K for a one bedroom.
We are one of those “apartment dwellers” you assume are broke. We can afford $500-600k for a 1 br right now but we can’t afford that with a condo fee of a high rise building that continues to escalate yearly adding close to a $1k a month in fees. OTOH a very small building with a few units? That fee would be significantly less and put it in reach.
Np. You’re delusional if you think the “very small building with few units” aren’t going to have similar fees.
Anonymous
03/16/2023 12:51
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They have given the thumbs up to the proposal and the middle finger to current residents.
At least there will be an annual cap to the permits and a design book that developers and future slumlords will have to choose from.
https://www.arlnow.com/2023/03/09/arlington-planning-commission-gives-thumbs-up-to-missing-middle-zoning-changes/
Many current residents support the proposal.
Current apartment renters. Basically builders started with urban village model (high density tapering off from transit hubs) which is a very sensible model, and built higher and higher, and then courted those rental “residents” to support high density in all of Arlington, abandoning smart growth and urban village.
Residents are residents, no? Or do only some residents count as residents?
I wonder if those apartment dwellers who supposedly support the proposal were informed that missing middle housing will start at $600K for a one bedroom.
We are one of those “apartment dwellers” you assume are broke. We can afford $500-600k for a 1 br right now but we can’t afford that with a condo fee of a high rise building that continues to escalate yearly adding close to a $1k a month in fees. OTOH a very small building with a few units? That fee would be significantly less and put it in reach.
The estimated monthly fee for this condo is about 920 a month. That includes 403 for property tax and 133 for insurance. Now there is a 386 dollar condo fee. What’s your estimate for the fee for a small building? Bear in mind the Garfield street condo fee includes trash/sewer as well as maintenance.
https://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/1021-N-Garfield-St-22201/unit-117/home/11281134
Anonymous
03/16/2023 12:05
Subject: Arlington "missing middle"
Arlington needs to get with the program. As we can see from this solid analysis, there is a lot of space for more people. Let's get it done!
https://ggwash.org/view/88883/arlington-isnt-full
https://ggwash.org/view/88883/arlington-isnt-full
Anonymous
03/16/2023 11:29
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They have given the thumbs up to the proposal and the middle finger to current residents.
At least there will be an annual cap to the permits and a design book that developers and future slumlords will have to choose from.
https://www.arlnow.com/2023/03/09/arlington-planning-commission-gives-thumbs-up-to-missing-middle-zoning-changes/
Many current residents support the proposal.
Current apartment renters. Basically builders started with urban village model (high density tapering off from transit hubs) which is a very sensible model, and built higher and higher, and then courted those rental “residents” to support high density in all of Arlington, abandoning smart growth and urban village.
Residents are residents, no? Or do only some residents count as residents?
I wonder if those apartment dwellers who supposedly support the proposal were informed that missing middle housing will start at $600K for a one bedroom.
I'd wonder but it's pretty clear you don't understand at all that if no more housing is built those $600K 1BRs will become $800K 1BRs real fast and they won't stop there.
Anonymous
03/15/2023 21:48
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
Residents are residents, no? Or do only some residents count as residents?
No. Non-residents who want to live in Arlington count more than residents.
Anonymous
03/15/2023 18:30
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They have given the thumbs up to the proposal and the middle finger to current residents.
At least there will be an annual cap to the permits and a design book that developers and future slumlords will have to choose from.
https://www.arlnow.com/2023/03/09/arlington-planning-commission-gives-thumbs-up-to-missing-middle-zoning-changes/
Many current residents support the proposal.
Current apartment renters. Basically builders started with urban village model (high density tapering off from transit hubs) which is a very sensible model, and built higher and higher, and then courted those rental “residents” to support high density in all of Arlington, abandoning smart growth and urban village.
Residents are residents, no? Or do only some residents count as residents?
I wonder if those apartment dwellers who supposedly support the proposal were informed that missing middle housing will start at $600K for a one bedroom.
We are one of those “apartment dwellers” you assume are broke. We can afford $500-600k for a 1 br right now but we can’t afford that with a condo fee of a high rise building that continues to escalate yearly adding close to a $1k a month in fees. OTOH a very small building with a few units? That fee would be significantly less and put it in reach.
Anonymous
03/15/2023 18:20
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
When this passes, any guesses for who will sue the county first and under what rationale? 
I can’t wait.
I can’t wait.
Anonymous
03/12/2023 12:13
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They have given the thumbs up to the proposal and the middle finger to current residents.
At least there will be an annual cap to the permits and a design book that developers and future slumlords will have to choose from.
https://www.arlnow.com/2023/03/09/arlington-planning-commission-gives-thumbs-up-to-missing-middle-zoning-changes/
Many current residents support the proposal.
Current apartment renters. Basically builders started with urban village model (high density tapering off from transit hubs) which is a very sensible model, and built higher and higher, and then courted those rental “residents” to support high density in all of Arlington, abandoning smart growth and urban village.
Residents are residents, no? Or do only some residents count as residents?
I wonder if those apartment dwellers who supposedly support the proposal were informed that missing middle housing will start at $600K for a one bedroom.
I wonder if you have been paying any attention at all to the many residents of Arlington who have actually showed up to support the proposal, which has now been adopted.
Adoption by the planning commision is not the board vote whch is 3/18. P a47 on unit by type, income, price, rent https://arlington.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=44&event_id=1871&meta_id=216655
The fact is ARL has no one to blame but itself for the max out on impervious surface for the tear downs. 3 bedroom ranch does not become a 2 story on the same footprint with the prior usable yard square footage. Hence it is /was they buy for less than 1m , tear down, build to the max for 2.5m plus.
Frankly missing middle will result in build to the max with more vehicles. So that Mckinley monster would be 8 cars instead of 2-3.
And fewer spaces mandated for off street parking. It’s really going to class up the neighborhoods. Don’t forget all of your new friends with barking dogs!
Anonymous
03/12/2023 12:08
Subject: Arlington "missing middle"
This is just so stupid. Builders don't care about housing. They care about money. This will do nothing except build more units out of reach of the non rich and line the pockets of builders.
Do you think they are stupid? They will make this work for themselves. Watch.
Do you think they are stupid? They will make this work for themselves. Watch.
Anonymous
03/11/2023 15:26
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They have given the thumbs up to the proposal and the middle finger to current residents.
At least there will be an annual cap to the permits and a design book that developers and future slumlords will have to choose from.
https://www.arlnow.com/2023/03/09/arlington-planning-commission-gives-thumbs-up-to-missing-middle-zoning-changes/
Many current residents support the proposal.
Current apartment renters. Basically builders started with urban village model (high density tapering off from transit hubs) which is a very sensible model, and built higher and higher, and then courted those rental “residents” to support high density in all of Arlington, abandoning smart growth and urban village.
Residents are residents, no? Or do only some residents count as residents?
I wonder if those apartment dwellers who supposedly support the proposal were informed that missing middle housing will start at $600K for a one bedroom.
I wonder if you have been paying any attention at all to the many residents of Arlington who have actually showed up to support the proposal, which has now been adopted.
Adoption by the planning commision is not the board vote whch is 3/18. P a47 on unit by type, income, price, rent https://arlington.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?view_id=44&event_id=1871&meta_id=216655
The fact is ARL has no one to blame but itself for the max out on impervious surface for the tear downs. 3 bedroom ranch does not become a 2 story on the same footprint with the prior usable yard square footage. Hence it is /was they buy for less than 1m , tear down, build to the max for 2.5m plus.
Frankly missing middle will result in build to the max with more vehicles. So that Mckinley monster would be 8 cars instead of 2-3.
Anonymous
03/11/2023 12:35
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of the huge new homes could almost be four-plexes. Absurdly huge and leaving a few inches of grass on the lot.
And built because there is a demand for them. Not everyone wants to drive around looking for a parking spot, and then schlep a stroller and two kids up three flights of stairs to an 8 plex. For the same money they can have underground parking and elevator to the smae two bedroom two bath apartment.
There would be more demand for smaller single family homes. McMansions are built because they maximize profit. I would prefer if Arlington changed all residential zones to R-5 and let developers create more density while maintaining SFH neighborhoods.
Anonymous
03/11/2023 08:11
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They have given the thumbs up to the proposal and the middle finger to current residents.
At least there will be an annual cap to the permits and a design book that developers and future slumlords will have to choose from.
https://www.arlnow.com/2023/03/09/arlington-planning-commission-gives-thumbs-up-to-missing-middle-zoning-changes/
Many current residents support the proposal.
Current apartment renters. Basically builders started with urban village model (high density tapering off from transit hubs) which is a very sensible model, and built higher and higher, and then courted those rental “residents” to support high density in all of Arlington, abandoning smart growth and urban village.
Residents are residents, no? Or do only some residents count as residents?
I wonder if those apartment dwellers who supposedly support the proposal were informed that missing middle housing will start at $600K for a one bedroom.
I wonder if you have been paying any attention at all to the many residents of Arlington who have actually showed up to support the proposal, which has now been adopted.
Anonymous
03/10/2023 21:30
Subject: Re:Arlington "missing middle"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They have given the thumbs up to the proposal and the middle finger to current residents.
At least there will be an annual cap to the permits and a design book that developers and future slumlords will have to choose from.
https://www.arlnow.com/2023/03/09/arlington-planning-commission-gives-thumbs-up-to-missing-middle-zoning-changes/
Many current residents support the proposal.
Current apartment renters. Basically builders started with urban village model (high density tapering off from transit hubs) which is a very sensible model, and built higher and higher, and then courted those rental “residents” to support high density in all of Arlington, abandoning smart growth and urban village.
Residents are residents, no? Or do only some residents count as residents?
I wonder if those apartment dwellers who supposedly support the proposal were informed that missing middle housing will start at $600K for a one bedroom.