Anonymous
11/23/2022 00:09
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...
There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.
This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.
But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.
Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!
It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.
It's also public knowledge that very few professionals are going to risk their careers/reputations/licenses for a handful of exaggerated WISC scores. But that won't stop the "it's all a sham, you pay your way in!" person (or people, hard to tell) from continuing to parrot their nonsense. I suspect at this point they're just trolling for the lulz or whatever.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 20:58
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...
There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.
This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.
But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BPLQKV69B096/$file/FCPS%20final%20report%2005.05.20.pdf The Aduit report from 2020 for people to look at.
The report calls out that a small number of appeals are lodged, page 43 says that 587 appeals came out of the 3,118 rejections for 2020, so 18% of the rejected kids had an appeal lodged, which makes it hard to believe that there are a large number of kids in any class that were accepted on appeal.
And we hear from folks with high WiSC scores that their kid was not accepted into AAP. We have an audit that says that the WiSC should be discontinued because there is a bias towards families who can afford the WiSC, so it is a known issue and one that it appears is being dealt with by the Committee ignoring the WiSC.
If you want to continue with the math, only around half of appeals are accepted. This means that fewer than 300 kids in the entire county get accepted on appeals in any given year. 3572 kids were found eligible that year in the regular screening cycle (page 32). This means only around 8% (300/3872) kids in AAP got there via appeals.
Thanks, I missed the number of appeals that were accepted. It also means that a bit over half the appeals were approved, so appealing is not a guarantee of AAP.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 19:53
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...
There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.
This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.
But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BPLQKV69B096/$file/FCPS%20final%20report%2005.05.20.pdf The Aduit report from 2020 for people to look at.
The report calls out that a small number of appeals are lodged, page 43 says that 587 appeals came out of the 3,118 rejections for 2020, so 18% of the rejected kids had an appeal lodged, which makes it hard to believe that there are a large number of kids in any class that were accepted on appeal.
And we hear from folks with high WiSC scores that their kid was not accepted into AAP. We have an audit that says that the WiSC should be discontinued because there is a bias towards families who can afford the WiSC, so it is a known issue and one that it appears is being dealt with by the Committee ignoring the WiSC.
If you want to continue with the math, only around half of appeals are accepted. This means that fewer than 300 kids in the entire county get accepted on appeals in any given year. 3572 kids were found eligible that year in the regular screening cycle (page 32). This means only around 8% (300/3872) kids in AAP got there via appeals.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 17:22
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...
There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.
This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.
But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.
Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!
It is on the County’s web page, it is public knowledge.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 16:53
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...
There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.
This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.
But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.
Shhh, we're supposed to keep this quiet!
Anonymous
11/22/2022 16:24
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has become unhinged with emotional people using a lot of words and not saying a thing.
No it says the AAP admissions process is a sham with a side door entrance for parents with money and resources.
hardly a newsflash everyone already knows this
Many posters on here are 'Side door Deniers'.
NP. I think you all are being obtuse. If the kids benefit from AAP, then why get rid of it? Maybe it should be expanded and we allow MORE students into AAP. Instead of getting rid of a wonderful resource because people with resources are interested in it. I have always thought that school should be very dynamic and allow kids to move up or down in classes based on their performance. If kids can do well in AAP, then they can stay.
I feel like this is the opposite of resource hoarding. You all seem to want schools to provide absolutely nothing. You're saying that if a few kids can never do calculus or statistics, it shouldn't be allowed for anyone.
This would be fine if parents would accept the school telling them that their child is struggling in the AAP class and that they need to be returned to the Gen Ed class. But no one believes that parents will accept that determination by the school. Reading through the audit, many parents in the survey were focused on AAP as being the path into TJ and if you think that a parent who is thinking TJ in third grade is going to allow the school to say "Your kid cannot handle the work in AAP" you are crazy. And there is no way that the Teachers want to deal with the parents who are upset that their kid is getting a 1 or 2 in the AAP class because the parents know that their kid is gifted and obviously the Teacher is an idiot. So now the AAP class is being slowed down as the Teacher is trying to get the kids who should be in Gen Ed up to AAP standards while the kids who are ahead are bored to tears.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 15:58
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has become unhinged with emotional people using a lot of words and not saying a thing.
No it says the AAP admissions process is a sham with a side door entrance for parents with money and resources.
hardly a newsflash everyone already knows this
Many posters on here are 'Side door Deniers'.
NP. I think you all are being obtuse. If the kids benefit from AAP, then why get rid of it? Maybe it should be expanded and we allow MORE students into AAP. Instead of getting rid of a wonderful resource because people with resources are interested in it. I have always thought that school should be very dynamic and allow kids to move up or down in classes based on their performance. If kids can do well in AAP, then they can stay.
I feel like this is the opposite of resource hoarding. You all seem to want schools to provide absolutely nothing. You're saying that if a few kids can never do calculus or statistics, it shouldn't be allowed for anyone.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 15:52
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...
There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.
This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.
But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.
https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BPLQKV69B096/$file/FCPS%20final%20report%2005.05.20.pdf The Aduit report from 2020 for people to look at.
The report calls out that a small number of appeals are lodged, page 43 says that 587 appeals came out of the 3,118 rejections for 2020, so 18% of the rejected kids had an appeal lodged, which makes it hard to believe that there are a large number of kids in any class that were accepted on appeal.
And we hear from folks with high WiSC scores that their kid was not accepted into AAP. We have an audit that says that the WiSC should be discontinued because there is a bias towards families who can afford the WiSC, so it is a known issue and one that it appears is being dealt with by the Committee ignoring the WiSC.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 15:04
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...
There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.
This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.
But they do accept WISC scores from private psychologists.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 15:03
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has become unhinged with emotional people using a lot of words and not saying a thing.
No it says the AAP admissions process is a sham with a side door entrance for parents with money and resources.
You say this and offer no evidence. Your credibility is nothing.
You sound bitter. Did you expect to keep a lid on the 'side entrance' indefinitely?
Maybe it's only known in some circles but at my kid's school, from what I gathered from their principal, over half the kids in their class got in this way.
This is complete BS. Principals don't tell parents the percentage of AAP students who were accepted on appeal. It's irrelevant.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 15:02
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
I think the posts on these last few pages are from, at most, two people who are spewing junk about something they know little to nothing about. Perhaps they harbor a grudge against FCPS because their special little snowflakes were denied entry into AAP? Who knows...
There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.
This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.
There's only one way into AAP: the selection committee. The committee allows parents/guardians to appeal an initial rejection with additional work samples and evidence. Sometimes the committee grants an acceptance on appeal if the additional work samples and evidence give a fuller picture of the student's capabilities. This is especially true for students initially viewed to be on the fence between AAP and general education.
This process is not a secret. It also shouldn't be interpreted that kids who are accepted into AAP on appeal are somehow inferior to those kids who were granted an initial acceptance into the program. The selection committee doesn't lower its standards.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 10:55
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has become unhinged with emotional people using a lot of words and not saying a thing.
No it says the AAP admissions process is a sham with a side door entrance for parents with money and resources.
You say this and offer no evidence. Your credibility is nothing.
You sound bitter. Did you expect to keep a lid on the 'side entrance' indefinitely?
Maybe it's only known in some circles but at my kid's school, from what I gathered from their principal, over half the kids in their class got in this way.
Welcome to 'Jr. Varsity Blues'
Anonymous
11/22/2022 10:31
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has become unhinged with emotional people using a lot of words and not saying a thing.
No it says the AAP admissions process is a sham with a side door entrance for parents with money and resources.
You say this and offer no evidence. Your credibility is nothing.
You sound bitter. Did you expect to keep a lid on the 'side entrance' indefinitely?
Maybe it's only known in some circles but at my kid's school, from what I gathered from their principal, over half the kids in their class got in this way.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 10:31
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has become unhinged with emotional people using a lot of words and not saying a thing.
No it says the AAP admissions process is a sham with a side door entrance for parents with money and resources.
hardly a newsflash everyone already knows this
Many posters on here are 'Side door Deniers'.
Anonymous
11/22/2022 10:30
Subject: Science says: never get rid of AAP
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This thread has become unhinged with emotional people using a lot of words and not saying a thing.
No it says the AAP admissions process is a sham with a side door entrance for parents with money and resources.
hardly a newsflash everyone already knows this