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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

Seriously, you sound like a child. ("Waaa! This is unfair!! I didn't work hard but I still want money!!!")

My guess is that you're looking to scapegoat MCPS for being a terrible parent. There are no "different opportunities" at "wealthy schools".

There are, however, lots of educated parents who (on the average) earn more than parents who don't really care about education. Those educated parents tend to select their homes in locations that feed into schools with other like-minded parents. And no, the parents who don't care about education will not be swayed by anything MCPS does or says.

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. Equality is non-discriminatory. Equity is, by definition, discriminatory.

It is naive to assume that all children will "reach an equal outcome" and I believe the people using this argument are doing nothing but discriminating against others (given the personalities involved, Whites and Asians, although the superficial claim is it's about FARMS). Not all children will achieve 1600's on their SAT's and all do the same things in life. The fact that not all FARMS children wish to spend their time on weekends and over the summer studying or in specialized programs is not an unusual circumstance. For example, MCPS offered free tutoring, free computer and robotics courses, etc. However, the classes were so awful that it made a lot of kids even less interested in those topics. Why? It was perceived as 'nerdy' or for 'geeks'. If their families don't find that a good thing, then of course the children won't likely either.

By the same token, there will be no "equity bus". Parents won't sit idly by while a few "Robin Hood syndrome" crackpots cause issues. The truly rich would just disengage from the system entirely, then it will be like certain states where Public school is not for the serious college-bound students (and yes, that is a real danger given the current direction of MCPS).

If people can afford to give to their PTA, they can afford higher property taxes to give to all PTAs.

Funny, I’m pretty sure my property taxes in my W district are significantly higher and that the county allocates more money per student in other districts than our W school. And guess what? And guess what? I’m 100% fine with that. I’m also happy to buy teacher’s supplies through their Facebook adopt a teacher group which I did and to buy school supplies for other kids through donate a backpack campaign. But the notion that I cannot also donate money to my kids’ own school or heaven forbid its foundation, is absurd. I’m all for helping others but the premise of this thread that everything needs to be equitable in every single respect is both incredibly naive and ridiculous.

Amazing how you still are missing the point. The point is PTAs should not be providing teachers classroom funds. MCPS should be. That provides all teachers in the district with the same thing. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? You completely twisted this into something it was never intended to be. You look like an irrational fool.

The point is that OP does not think the PTA should be providing anything over and above what MCPS provides to teachers. And everyone else chimed in to say foundations, parent gifts, etc are unfair. I 100% agree that MCPS should make sure all teachers have what they need for their classrooms and I’m totally fine if MCPS provides extra resources to lower-income schools, but the notion that we need to cater to the lowest common denominator when some schools have extra parent provided funds to supplement school needs is just poor policy. See how I didn’t have to resort to name-calling?

Yeah, you're still not getting it. The schools with "rich" PTAs are giving money where money isn't needed. Those parents send their kids to school with triple the supplies necessary and then PTA provides 200 in excess. Meanwhile, other schools are drowning as their students don't even have pencils. You're clearly not getting the point because you simply don't want to. Your privilege is showing and it's...gross. Also, don't put words into the OP's mouth when they definitely didn't say that. Learn to read.

That is 100% what OP said but whatever. You sound lovely and my guess is that you yourself are privileged and probably do very little to help these “drowning” schools. You cry foul because the “richer” schools have more resources, but offer zero solutions other than to forbid people with means from giving money to their own schools. I said I support MCPS allocating more to other schools and have no problem paying more in taxes to support additional teachers and programs, but the solution is not to prohibit parents who can afford to donate from donating. You can try to publicly shame all you want, but at least offer constructive solutions that actually make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

Seriously, you sound like a child. ("Waaa! This is unfair!! I didn't work hard but I still want money!!!")

My guess is that you're looking to scapegoat MCPS for being a terrible parent. There are no "different opportunities" at "wealthy schools".

There are, however, lots of educated parents who (on the average) earn more than parents who don't really care about education. Those educated parents tend to select their homes in locations that feed into schools with other like-minded parents. And no, the parents who don't care about education will not be swayed by anything MCPS does or says.

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. Equality is non-discriminatory. Equity is, by definition, discriminatory.

It is naive to assume that all children will "reach an equal outcome" and I believe the people using this argument are doing nothing but discriminating against others (given the personalities involved, Whites and Asians, although the superficial claim is it's about FARMS). Not all children will achieve 1600's on their SAT's and all do the same things in life. The fact that not all FARMS children wish to spend their time on weekends and over the summer studying or in specialized programs is not an unusual circumstance. For example, MCPS offered free tutoring, free computer and robotics courses, etc. However, the classes were so awful that it made a lot of kids even less interested in those topics. Why? It was perceived as 'nerdy' or for 'geeks'. If their families don't find that a good thing, then of course the children won't likely either.

By the same token, there will be no "equity bus". Parents won't sit idly by while a few "Robin Hood syndrome" crackpots cause issues. The truly rich would just disengage from the system entirely, then it will be like certain states where Public school is not for the serious college-bound students (and yes, that is a real danger given the current direction of MCPS).

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

Seriously, you sound like a child. ("Waaa! This is unfair!! I didn't work hard but I still want money!!!")

My guess is that you're looking to scapegoat MCPS for being a terrible parent. There are no "different opportunities" at "wealthy schools".

There are, however, lots of educated parents who (on the average) earn more than parents who don't really care about education. Those educated parents tend to select their homes in locations that feed into schools with other like-minded parents. And no, the parents who don't care about education will not be swayed by anything MCPS does or says.

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. Equality is non-discriminatory. Equity is, by definition, discriminatory.

It is naive to assume that all children will "reach an equal outcome" and I believe the people using this argument are doing nothing but discriminating against others (given the personalities involved, Whites and Asians, although the superficial claim is it's about FARMS). Not all children will achieve 1600's on their SAT's and all do the same things in life. The fact that not all FARMS children wish to spend their time on weekends and over the summer studying or in specialized programs is not an unusual circumstance. For example, MCPS offered free tutoring, free computer and robotics courses, etc. However, the classes were so awful that it made a lot of kids even less interested in those topics. Why? It was perceived as 'nerdy' or for 'geeks'. If their families don't find that a good thing, then of course the children won't likely either.

By the same token, there will be no "equity bus". Parents won't sit idly by while a few "Robin Hood syndrome" crackpots cause issues. The truly rich would just disengage from the system entirely, then it will be like certain states where Public school is not for the serious college-bound students (and yes, that is a real danger given the current direction of MCPS).

If people can afford to give to their PTA, they can afford higher property taxes to give to all PTAs.

Funny, I’m pretty sure my property taxes in my W district are significantly higher and that the county allocates more money per student in other districts than our W school. And guess what? And guess what? I’m 100% fine with that. I’m also happy to buy teacher’s supplies through their Facebook adopt a teacher group which I did and to buy school supplies for other kids through donate a backpack campaign. But the notion that I cannot also donate money to my kids’ own school or heaven forbid its foundation, is absurd. I’m all for helping others but the premise of this thread that everything needs to be equitable in every single respect is both incredibly naive and ridiculous.

Amazing how you still are missing the point. The point is PTAs should not be providing teachers classroom funds. MCPS should be. That provides all teachers in the district with the same thing. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? You completely twisted this into something it was never intended to be. You look like an irrational fool.

The point is that OP does not think the PTA should be providing anything over and above what MCPS provides to teachers. And everyone else chimed in to say foundations, parent gifts, etc are unfair. I 100% agree that MCPS should make sure all teachers have what they need for their classrooms and I’m totally fine if MCPS provides extra resources to lower-income schools, but the notion that we need to cater to the lowest common denominator when some schools have extra parent provided funds to supplement school needs is just poor policy. See how I didn’t have to resort to name-calling?

Yeah, you're still not getting it. The schools with "rich" PTAs are giving money where money isn't needed. Those parents send their kids to school with triple the supplies necessary and then PTA provides 200 in excess. Meanwhile, other schools are drowning as their students don't even have pencils. You're clearly not getting the point because you simply don't want to. Your privilege is showing and it's...gross. Also, don't put words into the OP's mouth when they definitely didn't say that. Learn to read.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

Seriously, you sound like a child. ("Waaa! This is unfair!! I didn't work hard but I still want money!!!")

My guess is that you're looking to scapegoat MCPS for being a terrible parent. There are no "different opportunities" at "wealthy schools".

There are, however, lots of educated parents who (on the average) earn more than parents who don't really care about education. Those educated parents tend to select their homes in locations that feed into schools with other like-minded parents. And no, the parents who don't care about education will not be swayed by anything MCPS does or says.

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. Equality is non-discriminatory. Equity is, by definition, discriminatory.

It is naive to assume that all children will "reach an equal outcome" and I believe the people using this argument are doing nothing but discriminating against others (given the personalities involved, Whites and Asians, although the superficial claim is it's about FARMS). Not all children will achieve 1600's on their SAT's and all do the same things in life. The fact that not all FARMS children wish to spend their time on weekends and over the summer studying or in specialized programs is not an unusual circumstance. For example, MCPS offered free tutoring, free computer and robotics courses, etc. However, the classes were so awful that it made a lot of kids even less interested in those topics. Why? It was perceived as 'nerdy' or for 'geeks'. If their families don't find that a good thing, then of course the children won't likely either.

By the same token, there will be no "equity bus". Parents won't sit idly by while a few "Robin Hood syndrome" crackpots cause issues. The truly rich would just disengage from the system entirely, then it will be like certain states where Public school is not for the serious college-bound students (and yes, that is a real danger given the current direction of MCPS).

If people can afford to give to their PTA, they can afford higher property taxes to give to all PTAs.

Funny, I’m pretty sure my property taxes in my W district are significantly higher and that the county allocates more money per student in other districts than our W school. And guess what? And guess what? I’m 100% fine with that. I’m also happy to buy teacher’s supplies through their Facebook adopt a teacher group which I did and to buy school supplies for other kids through donate a backpack campaign. But the notion that I cannot also donate money to my kids’ own school or heaven forbid its foundation, is absurd. I’m all for helping others but the premise of this thread that everything needs to be equitable in every single respect is both incredibly naive and ridiculous.

Amazing how you still are missing the point. The point is PTAs should not be providing teachers classroom funds. MCPS should be. That provides all teachers in the district with the same thing. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? You completely twisted this into something it was never intended to be. You look like an irrational fool.

The point is that OP does not think the PTA should be providing anything over and above what MCPS provides to teachers. And everyone else chimed in to say foundations, parent gifts, etc are unfair. I 100% agree that MCPS should make sure all teachers have what they need for their classrooms and I’m totally fine if MCPS provides extra resources to lower-income schools, but the notion that we need to cater to the lowest common denominator when some schools have extra parent provided funds to supplement school needs is just poor policy. See how I didn’t have to resort to name-calling?

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

Seriously, you sound like a child. ("Waaa! This is unfair!! I didn't work hard but I still want money!!!")

My guess is that you're looking to scapegoat MCPS for being a terrible parent. There are no "different opportunities" at "wealthy schools".

There are, however, lots of educated parents who (on the average) earn more than parents who don't really care about education. Those educated parents tend to select their homes in locations that feed into schools with other like-minded parents. And no, the parents who don't care about education will not be swayed by anything MCPS does or says.

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. Equality is non-discriminatory. Equity is, by definition, discriminatory.

It is naive to assume that all children will "reach an equal outcome" and I believe the people using this argument are doing nothing but discriminating against others (given the personalities involved, Whites and Asians, although the superficial claim is it's about FARMS). Not all children will achieve 1600's on their SAT's and all do the same things in life. The fact that not all FARMS children wish to spend their time on weekends and over the summer studying or in specialized programs is not an unusual circumstance. For example, MCPS offered free tutoring, free computer and robotics courses, etc. However, the classes were so awful that it made a lot of kids even less interested in those topics. Why? It was perceived as 'nerdy' or for 'geeks'. If their families don't find that a good thing, then of course the children won't likely either.

By the same token, there will be no "equity bus". Parents won't sit idly by while a few "Robin Hood syndrome" crackpots cause issues. The truly rich would just disengage from the system entirely, then it will be like certain states where Public school is not for the serious college-bound students (and yes, that is a real danger given the current direction of MCPS).

If people can afford to give to their PTA, they can afford higher property taxes to give to all PTAs.

Funny, I’m pretty sure my property taxes in my W district are significantly higher and that the county allocates more money per student in other districts than our W school. And guess what? And guess what? I’m 100% fine with that. I’m also happy to buy teacher’s supplies through their Facebook adopt a teacher group which I did and to buy school supplies for other kids through donate a backpack campaign. But the notion that I cannot also donate money to my kids’ own school or heaven forbid its foundation, is absurd. I’m all for helping others but the premise of this thread that everything needs to be equitable in every single respect is both incredibly naive and ridiculous.

Amazing how you still are missing the point. The point is PTAs should not be providing teachers classroom funds. MCPS should be. That provides all teachers in the district with the same thing. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? You completely twisted this into something it was never intended to be. You look like an irrational fool.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

Seriously, you sound like a child. ("Waaa! This is unfair!! I didn't work hard but I still want money!!!")

My guess is that you're looking to scapegoat MCPS for being a terrible parent. There are no "different opportunities" at "wealthy schools".

There are, however, lots of educated parents who (on the average) earn more than parents who don't really care about education. Those educated parents tend to select their homes in locations that feed into schools with other like-minded parents. And no, the parents who don't care about education will not be swayed by anything MCPS does or says.

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. Equality is non-discriminatory. Equity is, by definition, discriminatory.

It is naive to assume that all children will "reach an equal outcome" and I believe the people using this argument are doing nothing but discriminating against others (given the personalities involved, Whites and Asians, although the superficial claim is it's about FARMS). Not all children will achieve 1600's on their SAT's and all do the same things in life. The fact that not all FARMS children wish to spend their time on weekends and over the summer studying or in specialized programs is not an unusual circumstance. For example, MCPS offered free tutoring, free computer and robotics courses, etc. However, the classes were so awful that it made a lot of kids even less interested in those topics. Why? It was perceived as 'nerdy' or for 'geeks'. If their families don't find that a good thing, then of course the children won't likely either.

By the same token, there will be no "equity bus". Parents won't sit idly by while a few "Robin Hood syndrome" crackpots cause issues. The truly rich would just disengage from the system entirely, then it will be like certain states where Public school is not for the serious college-bound students (and yes, that is a real danger given the current direction of MCPS).

If people can afford to give to their PTA, they can afford higher property taxes to give to all PTAs.

Funny, I’m pretty sure my property taxes in my W district are significantly higher and that the county allocates more money per student in other districts than our W school. And guess what? And guess what? I’m 100% fine with that. I’m also happy to buy teacher’s supplies through their Facebook adopt a teacher group which I did and to buy school supplies for other kids through donate a backpack campaign. But the notion that I cannot also donate money to my kids’ own school or heaven forbid its foundation, is absurd. I’m all for helping others but the premise of this thread that everything needs to be equitable in every single respect is both incredibly naive and ridiculous.

Amazing how you still are missing the point. The point is PTAs should not be providing teachers classroom funds. MCPS should be. That provides all teachers in the district with the same thing. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? You completely twisted this into something it was never intended to be. You look like an irrational fool.

MCPS has money to burn if they can spend a million dollars on Middle School bocce ball programs, so if there is a single teacher out there without supplies, that is a clear case of mismanagement and neglect. The only irrational fools are the people who tolerate it.

Oh okay, so your solution is every teacher should quit? Got it.

You're not...very..bright.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

Seriously, you sound like a child. ("Waaa! This is unfair!! I didn't work hard but I still want money!!!")

My guess is that you're looking to scapegoat MCPS for being a terrible parent. There are no "different opportunities" at "wealthy schools".

There are, however, lots of educated parents who (on the average) earn more than parents who don't really care about education. Those educated parents tend to select their homes in locations that feed into schools with other like-minded parents. And no, the parents who don't care about education will not be swayed by anything MCPS does or says.

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. Equality is non-discriminatory. Equity is, by definition, discriminatory.

It is naive to assume that all children will "reach an equal outcome" and I believe the people using this argument are doing nothing but discriminating against others (given the personalities involved, Whites and Asians, although the superficial claim is it's about FARMS). Not all children will achieve 1600's on their SAT's and all do the same things in life. The fact that not all FARMS children wish to spend their time on weekends and over the summer studying or in specialized programs is not an unusual circumstance. For example, MCPS offered free tutoring, free computer and robotics courses, etc. However, the classes were so awful that it made a lot of kids even less interested in those topics. Why? It was perceived as 'nerdy' or for 'geeks'. If their families don't find that a good thing, then of course the children won't likely either.

By the same token, there will be no "equity bus". Parents won't sit idly by while a few "Robin Hood syndrome" crackpots cause issues. The truly rich would just disengage from the system entirely, then it will be like certain states where Public school is not for the serious college-bound students (and yes, that is a real danger given the current direction of MCPS).

If people can afford to give to their PTA, they can afford higher property taxes to give to all PTAs.

Funny, I’m pretty sure my property taxes in my W district are significantly higher and that the county allocates more money per student in other districts than our W school. And guess what? And guess what? I’m 100% fine with that. I’m also happy to buy teacher’s supplies through their Facebook adopt a teacher group which I did and to buy school supplies for other kids through donate a backpack campaign. But the notion that I cannot also donate money to my kids’ own school or heaven forbid its foundation, is absurd. I’m all for helping others but the premise of this thread that everything needs to be equitable in every single respect is both incredibly naive and ridiculous.

Amazing how you still are missing the point. The point is PTAs should not be providing teachers classroom funds. MCPS should be. That provides all teachers in the district with the same thing. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? You completely twisted this into something it was never intended to be. You look like an irrational fool.

MCPS has money to burn if they can spend a million dollars on Middle School bocce ball programs, so if there is a single teacher out there without supplies, that is a clear case of mismanagement and neglect. The only irrational fools are the people who tolerate it.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

Seriously, you sound like a child. ("Waaa! This is unfair!! I didn't work hard but I still want money!!!")

My guess is that you're looking to scapegoat MCPS for being a terrible parent. There are no "different opportunities" at "wealthy schools".

There are, however, lots of educated parents who (on the average) earn more than parents who don't really care about education. Those educated parents tend to select their homes in locations that feed into schools with other like-minded parents. And no, the parents who don't care about education will not be swayed by anything MCPS does or says.

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. Equality is non-discriminatory. Equity is, by definition, discriminatory.

It is naive to assume that all children will "reach an equal outcome" and I believe the people using this argument are doing nothing but discriminating against others (given the personalities involved, Whites and Asians, although the superficial claim is it's about FARMS). Not all children will achieve 1600's on their SAT's and all do the same things in life. The fact that not all FARMS children wish to spend their time on weekends and over the summer studying or in specialized programs is not an unusual circumstance. For example, MCPS offered free tutoring, free computer and robotics courses, etc. However, the classes were so awful that it made a lot of kids even less interested in those topics. Why? It was perceived as 'nerdy' or for 'geeks'. If their families don't find that a good thing, then of course the children won't likely either.

By the same token, there will be no "equity bus". Parents won't sit idly by while a few "Robin Hood syndrome" crackpots cause issues. The truly rich would just disengage from the system entirely, then it will be like certain states where Public school is not for the serious college-bound students (and yes, that is a real danger given the current direction of MCPS).

If people can afford to give to their PTA, they can afford higher property taxes to give to all PTAs.

Funny, I’m pretty sure my property taxes in my W district are significantly higher and that the county allocates more money per student in other districts than our W school. And guess what? And guess what? I’m 100% fine with that. I’m also happy to buy teacher’s supplies through their Facebook adopt a teacher group which I did and to buy school supplies for other kids through donate a backpack campaign. But the notion that I cannot also donate money to my kids’ own school or heaven forbid its foundation, is absurd. I’m all for helping others but the premise of this thread that everything needs to be equitable in every single respect is both incredibly naive and ridiculous.

Amazing how you still are missing the point. The point is PTAs should not be providing teachers classroom funds. MCPS should be. That provides all teachers in the district with the same thing. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? You completely twisted this into something it was never intended to be. You look like an irrational fool.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

Seriously, you sound like a child. ("Waaa! This is unfair!! I didn't work hard but I still want money!!!")

My guess is that you're looking to scapegoat MCPS for being a terrible parent. There are no "different opportunities" at "wealthy schools".

There are, however, lots of educated parents who (on the average) earn more than parents who don't really care about education. Those educated parents tend to select their homes in locations that feed into schools with other like-minded parents. And no, the parents who don't care about education will not be swayed by anything MCPS does or says.

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. Equality is non-discriminatory. Equity is, by definition, discriminatory.

It is naive to assume that all children will "reach an equal outcome" and I believe the people using this argument are doing nothing but discriminating against others (given the personalities involved, Whites and Asians, although the superficial claim is it's about FARMS). Not all children will achieve 1600's on their SAT's and all do the same things in life. The fact that not all FARMS children wish to spend their time on weekends and over the summer studying or in specialized programs is not an unusual circumstance. For example, MCPS offered free tutoring, free computer and robotics courses, etc. However, the classes were so awful that it made a lot of kids even less interested in those topics. Why? It was perceived as 'nerdy' or for 'geeks'. If their families don't find that a good thing, then of course the children won't likely either.

By the same token, there will be no "equity bus". Parents won't sit idly by while a few "Robin Hood syndrome" crackpots cause issues. The truly rich would just disengage from the system entirely, then it will be like certain states where Public school is not for the serious college-bound students (and yes, that is a real danger given the current direction of MCPS).

If people can afford to give to their PTA, they can afford higher property taxes to give to all PTAs.

Funny, I’m pretty sure my property taxes in my W district are significantly higher and that the county allocates more money per student in other districts than our W school. And guess what? And guess what? I’m 100% fine with that. I’m also happy to buy teacher’s supplies through their Facebook adopt a teacher group which I did and to buy school supplies for other kids through donate a backpack campaign. But the notion that I cannot also donate money to my kids’ own school or heaven forbid its foundation, is absurd. I’m all for helping others but the premise of this thread that everything needs to be equitable in every single respect is both incredibly naive and ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

Seriously, you sound like a child. ("Waaa! This is unfair!! I didn't work hard but I still want money!!!")

My guess is that you're looking to scapegoat MCPS for being a terrible parent. There are no "different opportunities" at "wealthy schools".

There are, however, lots of educated parents who (on the average) earn more than parents who don't really care about education. Those educated parents tend to select their homes in locations that feed into schools with other like-minded parents. And no, the parents who don't care about education will not be swayed by anything MCPS does or says.

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. Equality is non-discriminatory. Equity is, by definition, discriminatory.

It is naive to assume that all children will "reach an equal outcome" and I believe the people using this argument are doing nothing but discriminating against others (given the personalities involved, Whites and Asians, although the superficial claim is it's about FARMS). Not all children will achieve 1600's on their SAT's and all do the same things in life. The fact that not all FARMS children wish to spend their time on weekends and over the summer studying or in specialized programs is not an unusual circumstance. For example, MCPS offered free tutoring, free computer and robotics courses, etc. However, the classes were so awful that it made a lot of kids even less interested in those topics. Why? It was perceived as 'nerdy' or for 'geeks'. If their families don't find that a good thing, then of course the children won't likely either.

By the same token, there will be no "equity bus". Parents won't sit idly by while a few "Robin Hood syndrome" crackpots cause issues. The truly rich would just disengage from the system entirely, then it will be like certain states where Public school is not for the serious college-bound students (and yes, that is a real danger given the current direction of MCPS).

If people can afford to give to their PTA, they can afford higher property taxes to give to all PTAs.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

Seriously, you sound like a child. ("Waaa! This is unfair!! I didn't work hard but I still want money!!!")

My guess is that you're looking to scapegoat MCPS for being a terrible parent. There are no "different opportunities" at "wealthy schools".

There are, however, lots of educated parents who (on the average) earn more than parents who don't really care about education. Those educated parents tend to select their homes in locations that feed into schools with other like-minded parents. And no, the parents who don't care about education will not be swayed by anything MCPS does or says.

Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. Equality is non-discriminatory. Equity is, by definition, discriminatory.

It is naive to assume that all children will "reach an equal outcome" and I believe the people using this argument are doing nothing but discriminating against others (given the personalities involved, Whites and Asians, although the superficial claim is it's about FARMS). Not all children will achieve 1600's on their SAT's and all do the same things in life. The fact that not all FARMS children wish to spend their time on weekends and over the summer studying or in specialized programs is not an unusual circumstance. For example, MCPS offered free tutoring, free computer and robotics courses, etc. However, the classes were so awful that it made a lot of kids even less interested in those topics. Why? It was perceived as 'nerdy' or for 'geeks'. If their families don't find that a good thing, then of course the children won't likely either.

By the same token, there will be no "equity bus". Parents won't sit idly by while a few "Robin Hood syndrome" crackpots cause issues. The truly rich would just disengage from the system entirely, then it will be like certain states where Public school is not for the serious college-bound students (and yes, that is a real danger given the current direction of MCPS).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish there were educational equity. It's wrong that accelerated classes are offered at wealthy schools, but equally advanced students at others often lack access to those same opportunities.

I think this is the linchpin issue. If educational equity existed, PTA funding would follow and be more equitable.

I think you mean "equality" not "equity".

Is MCPS proposing taking away children from their parents and putting them into Greentree Group Home barracks? Because if the parents don't care about academics or if their home environment isn't suitable, there is no amount of "equity" that will help. In fact, MCPS will most likely disenfranchise the very students they're pretending to help.

No, I meant equity. I was responding to the poster who pointed out that different opportunities exist at wealthy schools which seems unfair.

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, the fairest thing that has any chance of happening would be for MCCPTA (or some other central organization, I guess, if there's some problem with MCCPTA, although I don't understand what the problem is) to either increase its dues amount significantly (with an exemption for PTAs under a certain budget) and redistribute that to schools based on need, or for school PTAs to contribute some set percentage of their budget to a central pool that's redistributed based on need.

Honestly it really ought to be one central fund countywide, but most parents are too selfish to contribute to something like that and would scream bloody murder at the idea that they can't use their money to contribute to their kid's school to give them an extra leg up. So let them contribute to their own school knowing that, say, half of it will actually benefit the school, while at least having a *little* less of this ridiculous "the richer schools that need the least and are already the most desirable for teachers get lots of extra from their PTAs, and the poorer schools that need the most and are the least desirable for teachers get nothing from their PTAs" situation...

Question is what happens to all the money MCCPTA gets and why don't they use some of that money to help some of the schools.

Exactly. Honestly, when 50% of our membership dues go to MCCPTA, we don't even push memberships anymore. We'd rather get straight donations, and you don't have to be a PTA member to donate. So for those of you against PTAs, remember, you don't have to be a member. You can just donate to your school PTA, and at least you know your money is going directly back to the school, teachers, or students.

Or, you can buy stuff directly for your child’s classroom.

MCPS provides for everything needed for the curriculum. As a PTA we don't even buy supplies for teachers. They don't want it.

Definitely a troll who has no idea what they are talking about. They provide nothing. I just spent $500 and it’s only August. I can only imagine what I’ll have to come up with on my own for the rest of the year. Stop talking when you clearly have no idea what it is you are talking about.

I thought they allowed under $100 for each teacher to order from Office Depot (of course the prices are so inflated you can get a few boxes of pencils for that price). And, that's supposed to last all year. Many teachers spend a lot of their own money.

It’s like you’re deliberately not getting the point. Teachers ARE spending their own money and they shouldn’t be. Wake up.

Of course they were and that was my point. I hope you are not a teacher teaching reading comprehension.

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, the fairest thing that has any chance of happening would be for MCCPTA (or some other central organization, I guess, if there's some problem with MCCPTA, although I don't understand what the problem is) to either increase its dues amount significantly (with an exemption for PTAs under a certain budget) and redistribute that to schools based on need, or for school PTAs to contribute some set percentage of their budget to a central pool that's redistributed based on need.

Honestly it really ought to be one central fund countywide, but most parents are too selfish to contribute to something like that and would scream bloody murder at the idea that they can't use their money to contribute to their kid's school to give them an extra leg up. So let them contribute to their own school knowing that, say, half of it will actually benefit the school, while at least having a *little* less of this ridiculous "the richer schools that need the least and are already the most desirable for teachers get lots of extra from their PTAs, and the poorer schools that need the most and are the least desirable for teachers get nothing from their PTAs" situation...

Question is what happens to all the money MCCPTA gets and why don't they use some of that money to help some of the schools.

Exactly. Honestly, when 50% of our membership dues go to MCCPTA, we don't even push memberships anymore. We'd rather get straight donations, and you don't have to be a PTA member to donate. So for those of you against PTAs, remember, you don't have to be a member. You can just donate to your school PTA, and at least you know your money is going directly back to the school, teachers, or students.

Or, you can buy stuff directly for your child’s classroom.

MCPS provides for everything needed for the curriculum. As a PTA we don't even buy supplies for teachers. They don't want it.

Definitely a troll who has no idea what they are talking about. They provide nothing. I just spent $500 and it’s only August. I can only imagine what I’ll have to come up with on my own for the rest of the year. Stop talking when you clearly have no idea what it is you are talking about.

I thought they allowed under $100 for each teacher to order from Office Depot (of course the prices are so inflated you can get a few boxes of pencils for that price). And, that's supposed to last all year. Many teachers spend a lot of their own money.

It’s like you’re deliberately not getting the point. Teachers ARE spending their own money and they shouldn’t be. Wake up.

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Anonymous wrote:Realistically, the fairest thing that has any chance of happening would be for MCCPTA (or some other central organization, I guess, if there's some problem with MCCPTA, although I don't understand what the problem is) to either increase its dues amount significantly (with an exemption for PTAs under a certain budget) and redistribute that to schools based on need, or for school PTAs to contribute some set percentage of their budget to a central pool that's redistributed based on need.

Honestly it really ought to be one central fund countywide, but most parents are too selfish to contribute to something like that and would scream bloody murder at the idea that they can't use their money to contribute to their kid's school to give them an extra leg up. So let them contribute to their own school knowing that, say, half of it will actually benefit the school, while at least having a *little* less of this ridiculous "the richer schools that need the least and are already the most desirable for teachers get lots of extra from their PTAs, and the poorer schools that need the most and are the least desirable for teachers get nothing from their PTAs" situation...

Question is what happens to all the money MCCPTA gets and why don't they use some of that money to help some of the schools.

Exactly. Honestly, when 50% of our membership dues go to MCCPTA, we don't even push memberships anymore. We'd rather get straight donations, and you don't have to be a PTA member to donate. So for those of you against PTAs, remember, you don't have to be a member. You can just donate to your school PTA, and at least you know your money is going directly back to the school, teachers, or students.

Or, you can buy stuff directly for your child’s classroom.

MCPS provides for everything needed for the curriculum. As a PTA we don't even buy supplies for teachers. They don't want it.

Definitely a troll who has no idea what they are talking about. They provide nothing. I just spent $500 and it’s only August. I can only imagine what I’ll have to come up with on my own for the rest of the year. Stop talking when you clearly have no idea what it is you are talking about.

I thought they allowed under $100 for each teacher to order from Office Depot (of course the prices are so inflated you can get a few boxes of pencils for that price). And, that's supposed to last all year. Many teachers spend a lot of their own money.