Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 10:18     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
I think the average salary is perhaps useful in the relative sense, like university A graduates earn more than university B. ...but those numbers are hilariously off in the absolute sense. They're using data of people who self report their salaries to a salary webpage. If I don't have a job, I don't have a salary. If I have a crappy job, I'm probably not self-reporting that information either.
Anonymous
Post 09/09/2021 10:16     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
Average salary is heavily dependent on 1) the mix of majors of graduates (e.g. engineering majors make about 2X as much as the average graduate through mid-career) 2) cost of living where the graduates tend to settle and 3) male to female ratio - female graduates earn about 74% of what male college graduates earn.

If you haven't adjusted for these factors, the data really isn't telling you anything.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 21:53     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:University of Florida ahead of UNC and UVA!

Chomp Chomp


That's because in-state Florida offers a ton of kids scholarships rather than loans through Bright Futures and they have TONS of in-state students. The salaries are not ahead. They are gaming it and it's obvious. A fine school, but not the same caliber.


University of Florida is clearly on the rise. All state schools have a ton of students from the state. This school keeps rising in all polls too.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 20:14     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
Anonymous wrote:University of Florida ahead of UNC and UVA!

Chomp Chomp


That's because in-state Florida offers a ton of kids scholarships rather than loans through Bright Futures and they have TONS of in-state students. The salaries are not ahead. They are gaming it and it's obvious. A fine school, but not the same caliber.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 19:13     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
Woohoo! Go Bears!

Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 19:13     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
More reason to not be list obsessed. This is just another perspective and you take it whichever way you want.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 18:54     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Interesting. 3 publics in top 15 and they are all from CA - Berkeley, UCLA, and UCSD.

cause Silicon Valley, duh


What a stupid comment.


https://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valley-hires-uc-berkeley-grads-2017-5

who's the stupid now?


You.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 18:30     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
A number one school that is completely indifferent to undergraduates. . .
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 17:59     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
University of Florida ahead of UNC and UVA!

Chomp Chomp
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 15:34     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Interesting. 3 publics in top 15 and they are all from CA - Berkeley, UCLA, and UCSD.

cause Silicon Valley, duh


What a stupid comment.


https://www.businessinsider.com/silicon-valley-hires-uc-berkeley-grads-2017-5

who's the stupid now?
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 13:58     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
1. University of California, Berkeley
2. Yale University
3. Princeton University
4. Stanford University
5. Columbia University
6. Massachusetts Institute of Technology
7. Harvard University
8. University of California, Los Angeles
9. University of Pennsylvania
10. Northwestern University
11. Dartmouth College
12. Duke University
13. Cornell University
14. Vanderbilt University
15. University of California, San Diego
16. Amherst College
17. University of Southern California
18. Williams College
19. Pomona College
20. University of California, Davis
21. Georgetown University
22. University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
23. University of Chicago
24. Rice University
25. University of Florida
26. Brown University
27. University of Washington, Seattle
28. University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
29. United States Military Academy
30. University of Virginia
31. University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
32. Wellesley College
33. Washington University in St. Louis
34. Georgia Institute of Technology
35. Emory University
36. Bowdoin College
37. Johns Hopkins University
38. Tufts University
39. University of California, Santa Barbara
40. California Institute of Technology
41. University of Notre Dame
42. University of Maryland, College Park
43. Swarthmore College
44. Middlebury College
45. University of Texas, Austin
46. Claremont McKenna College
47. University of California, Irvine
48. Colgate University
49. Carnegie Mellon University
50. Texas A&M University, College Station



Joke list. There is NO way schools like Amherst, UVA, and Florida are better than schools like Hopkins, CMU, or CalTech. No way..


"Better" how? That is the point. For this ranking and the items they chose to rank (the "how" for this list), they are better. But those things are less important to you, so this ranking doesn't help you. You always need to sort schools based on the criteria that matter to the student.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 13:51     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
Anonymous wrote:80 is a high ranking on a list of hundreds and hundreds of options.


3,985 options to be exact, not counting international schools.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 13:32     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Interesting. 3 publics in top 15 and they are all from CA - Berkeley, UCLA, and UCSD.

cause Silicon Valley, duh


What a stupid comment.
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 13:18     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
Anonymous wrote:Interesting. 3 publics in top 15 and they are all from CA - Berkeley, UCLA, and UCSD.

cause Silicon Valley, duh
Anonymous
Post 09/08/2021 13:16     Subject: Forbes 2021 College Rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So if a school has large numbers of students who go on to work in education, social work, publishing/journalism, or the arts, their ranking will suffer because of the importance of salary.

If you graduate a lot of ibankers, engineers, and tech bros, you do better.


Well, not quite, because number 10-ranked Northwestern has a relatively huge proportion of grads who go into journalism, the arts, and music, but is still highly ranked. I can't tell you why that is, however.


Schools near big cities will have higher earning alumni.


The formula is basically--be a school that offers excellent non-loan financial aid, located in a high cost of living area where incomes are high and where students will want to stick around to earn those high incomes. And if you are public, be in a state that provides good support to higher education. But that said, some schools with those characteristics do better than others.