Anonymous
09/05/2021 07:55
Subject: DH keeps getting raises but no title change
Has he asked?
Anonymous
09/05/2021 07:15
Subject: DH keeps getting raises but no title change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DH is a "senior manager" at his small company. For two years he's been angling for a director role and sees people younger than him getting it.
He gets positive reviews each time. He gets raises each time. He makes what is on par for the industry. He really just needs a different title because without it, he can't then segue to a new job at the level of seniority he wants (and it affects recruiting. too).
He is frustrated. I asked him what his boss said, and I guess his boss says he should do x, y, z...then DH says he already does that, and they get nowhere. (I'm not on the call so I have no idea how it plays out but DH basically says he's told he'll become a director when he does stuff he already does.)
DH then pressed his boss for a concrete plan and a weekly check-in about the goals to get where he wants to be. Beyond that, what can he do? Why does this happen? The ONLY thing I can think of is that my DH presents as exceptionally laid back and doesn't telegraph "leadership" in the way some of his peers might. IDK -- ideas??
He doesn’t telegraph leadership and you’re asking us why no one wants him to lead?
OP here, no, I'm asking how to overcome that trait to advance.
I guess he needs to be a jerk and an asshole. In the US, unfortunately people mistake that for leadership. Look at Trump.
Anonymous
09/04/2021 19:57
Subject: DH keeps getting raises but no title change
Anonymous wrote:I guess I don't see the point in itching for a new title. Some orgs are flat and don't have inflated titles. Some dole them out like candy. If he likes the work and the pay, he should stay. If he wants more money and more responsibility, he should leave. But getting fussy because you don't like the label they've given you seems short-sighted to me.
Reminds me of an old 'Cheers' episode, the one where the boss says "I can't give you a raise but I can give you a title". Or maybe it's the opposite of that episode...
Anonymous
09/03/2021 00:41
Subject: DH keeps getting raises but no title change
Anonymous wrote:It's cheaper to pay him more than to replace him.
+1
Here's the employer's perspective: when he's on the upper-upper end of his salary range for his title, it'll be harder for him to get a similar job. And since he's been at level X for so long, other companies could argue that he's "not promoted quickly enough" and isn't as good of an employee as he claims to merit a title bump.
Anonymous
09/02/2021 17:50
Subject: DH keeps getting raises but no title change
Why are you hen-pecking? This has zero to do with you.
Anonymous
09/02/2021 17:42
Subject: DH keeps getting raises but no title change
It's cheaper to pay him more than to replace him.
Anonymous
09/02/2021 17:34
Subject: DH keeps getting raises but no title change
I guess I don't see the point in itching for a new title. Some orgs are flat and don't have inflated titles. Some dole them out like candy. If he likes the work and the pay, he should stay. If he wants more money and more responsibility, he should leave. But getting fussy because you don't like the label they've given you seems short-sighted to me.
Anonymous
09/02/2021 16:51
Subject: Re:DH keeps getting raises but no title change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here again, since he started six years ago his salary has increased by 50 percent so they're not little merit increases. :/
And you're not hearing what everyone is saying. He needs to leave to get a title bump
How does someone leave a job and get a new one at a higher level? Isn't that tough?
You write a good cover letter about how you've outgrown your current position and are looking for a new challenge and then you keep applying and interviewing until you find the right fit. Higher title with higher pay is one of the main reasons people switch jobs!
Anonymous
09/02/2021 16:46
Subject: Re:DH keeps getting raises but no title change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here again, since he started six years ago his salary has increased by 50 percent so they're not little merit increases. :/
And you're not hearing what everyone is saying. He needs to leave to get a title bump
How does someone leave a job and get a new one at a higher level? Isn't that tough?
No one said it would be easy?
Each time it took me 6-8 month to search.
Anonymous
09/02/2021 16:45
Subject: DH keeps getting raises but no title change
If your DH is making good money, why take on more stress?
Anonymous
09/02/2021 16:38
Subject: DH keeps getting raises but no title change
Anonymous wrote:Who are you, his mother? His recruiter? Or are you his wife?
He sounds like a beta simp. That's why he isn't a Director yet.
np here. Take your toxic masculinity stench and shove it incel.
Anonymous
09/02/2021 16:20
Subject: Re:DH keeps getting raises but no title change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here again, since he started six years ago his salary has increased by 50 percent so they're not little merit increases. :/
And you're not hearing what everyone is saying. He needs to leave to get a title bump
How does someone leave a job and get a new one at a higher level? Isn't that tough?
Every job I’ve left for was a title and comp bump.
+100 happens all the time
Same here!
Anonymous
09/02/2021 15:57
Subject: Re:DH keeps getting raises but no title change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP here again, since he started six years ago his salary has increased by 50 percent so they're not little merit increases. :/
And you're not hearing what everyone is saying. He needs to leave to get a title bump
How does someone leave a job and get a new one at a higher level? Isn't that tough?
Every job I’ve left for was a title and comp bump.
That's exactly what I see in federal contracting. There are a small number of folks who move up within one employer but most people have to change employers to get a better title/pay. Employers are always trying to fill slots and pulling someone out of another group or project can create tension in the organization. Hiring from outside is easier in some ways.
I'm not saying it's right or wise. It's just what I've seen and experienced.
Anonymous
09/02/2021 15:43
Subject: DH keeps getting raises but no title change
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DH is a "senior manager" at his small company. For two years he's been angling for a director role and sees people younger than him getting it.
He gets positive reviews each time. He gets raises each time. He makes what is on par for the industry. He really just needs a different title because without it, he can't then segue to a new job at the level of seniority he wants (and it affects recruiting. too).
He is frustrated. I asked him what his boss said, and I guess his boss says he should do x, y, z...then DH says he already does that, and they get nowhere. (I'm not on the call so I have no idea how it plays out but DH basically says he's told he'll become a director when he does stuff he already does.)
DH then pressed his boss for a concrete plan and a weekly check-in about the goals to get where he wants to be. Beyond that, what can he do? Why does this happen? The ONLY thing I can think of is that my DH presents as exceptionally laid back and doesn't telegraph "leadership" in the way some of his peers might. IDK -- ideas??
He doesn’t telegraph leadership and you’re asking us why no one wants him to lead?
OP here, no, I'm asking how to overcome that trait to advance.