Anonymous
08/27/2021 09:17
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I am fine doing outside visits at a substantial distance. She can drive up in front of the house and see them from the front porch. I do have a problem with them sitting near each other on a semi-enclosed porch (less than 3 ft apart) for 2 hours. My sister has shown repeatedly she can’t be trusted with the rules. She is constantly taking her mask on and off, it doesn’t fit properly, and she wants hugs and close contact. I have no problem with visits from a REAL distance but she won’t be happy with that.
Ugh, I'd just tell her you can do FaceTime/Zoom for now. Sounds like it's not just vaccination, it's all reasonable precautions as well, and if she's not being careful with your kids she isnt' being careful in her other activities.
Anonymous
08/27/2021 08:42
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are fine with not seeing your sister for the rest of your life it's your choice to make.
I hate this narrative - people choosing to not get vaccinated are the ones making the choice. Everyone else is just trying to keep their family safe and keep their sanity.
Speak for yourself.
This is paranoia and judgment, not safety.
Put them at a 10ft distance from each other, outside and masked. This is ridiculous.
HOW is it paranoia?
It's paranoia because it is pretty easy to socialize safely with one (or a tiny group) unvaccinated masked person outdoors. All you have to do is maintain a substantial distance. And it is worth it for family(if you are close to them). Is OP claiming that her children do not go for walks and pass by people? Does she know if these people are vaccinated. Does she care? OP is just looking for someone to punish for her covid paronoia, and she chose her sister.
Before vaccinations , my DH would see his mom through the window. Sometimes, his masked mom would open the windows on the second floor while my masked DH was downstairs in front of the house and have a conversation. These are other fairly safe ways that OP can allow her sister to see her children. OP is just not interested because she is obsessed with her sister's decision not to vaccinate. It's a wrong decision, but it is not worth losing a relationship with her sister. It's not worth her children losing a relationship with their aunt. The past years have been full of misinformation, confusion and fear.
We are in uncharted territory. Protect yourself and your family, but don't be so quick to cut loved ones out because they are not making the best choices. It makes you just as paranoid and foolish as you think they are.
No unvaccinated people are high risk. They will not mask, keep distance or take any precautions. This is not just when they “visit” with you it how they live. These people think they know more vs everyone else and do not care about spreading covid to people they know.
Anonymous
08/27/2021 08:33
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
OP you are in a tough situation. Obviously sister feels the rules don’t apply to her. Not being vaccinated at this point and wanting to hug and kiss is just no. And her logic is very flawed. Getting vaccinated is a “choice” but it has consequences.
Anonymous
08/27/2021 08:28
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm lost. How do you think in others getting the vaccine will protect your kids?
Welcome to Planet Earth 2021. Is it your first time here? I will help you since you are lost. People who are vaccinated are less likely to get Covid and spread Covid. That will help protect kids and others. You're welcome.
Thanks for the laugh. Cannot believe how dumb some people are.
My responses to this have been deleted so I will keep it short.
Unless the op's kids are not in school and the op and her spouse are not leaving the house at all her kids covid risk is not increased simply by not seeing their aunt. The op can also transmit covid.
The poster wants to cut off her sister and is using covid as an excuse.
Anonymous
08/26/2021 23:47
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:If you are fine with not seeing your sister for the rest of your life it's your choice to make.
If the sister is fine never seeing her sister or her kids for the rest of her life because she's throwing a toddler tantrum and refusing to get vaccinated during a pandemic, that's her choice to make.
Anonymous
08/26/2021 23:40
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm lost. How do you think in others getting the vaccine will protect your kids?
Welcome to Planet Earth 2021. Is it your first time here? I will help you since you are lost. People who are vaccinated are less likely to get Covid and spread Covid. That will help protect kids and others. You're welcome.
Thanks for the laugh. Cannot believe how dumb some people are.
Anonymous
08/26/2021 22:43
Subject: Re:Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
^And don't argue with her about her not getting vaccinated. It's pointless, and it might actually make things worse.
Say something like : "We love you, and we want to see you. However, we truly think it's unsafe". " I know you and I disagree on the risks, and I hope things change soon because the kids and I miss you". "In the meantime, can we try to see each other at a much further distance of X /can we do zoom meets instead..."
Say something like : "We love you, and we want to see you. However, we truly think it's unsafe". " I know you and I disagree on the risks, and I hope things change soon because the kids and I miss you". "In the meantime, can we try to see each other at a much further distance of X /can we do zoom meets instead..."
Anonymous
08/26/2021 22:37
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I am fine doing outside visits at a substantial distance. She can drive up in front of the house and see them from the front porch. I do have a problem with them sitting near each other on a semi-enclosed porch (less than 3 ft apart) for 2 hours. My sister has shown repeatedly she can’t be trusted with the rules. She is constantly taking her mask on and off, it doesn’t fit properly, and she wants hugs and close contact. I have no problem with visits from a REAL distance but she won’t be happy with that.
Op, give her the option(s)/distance that you are comfortable with, and let her decline. Show you are willing to meet her halfway as long as the risks are minimal (much safer distance than allowed on the porch etc). Tell her no hugs and close contact.
If she refuses to see them at all from a distance that you are comfortable with, then tell her that you love her, and you hope that circumstances can change soon so that you can see her. Then suggest virtual meets. Make her feel like you want her to be part of their lives, but you are trying to keep them safe. Give hope/room for a relationship when Covid is over (or when she finally comes around -don't tell her this part).
Anonymous
08/26/2021 22:12
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
OP here. I am fine doing outside visits at a substantial distance. She can drive up in front of the house and see them from the front porch. I do have a problem with them sitting near each other on a semi-enclosed porch (less than 3 ft apart) for 2 hours. My sister has shown repeatedly she can’t be trusted with the rules. She is constantly taking her mask on and off, it doesn’t fit properly, and she wants hugs and close contact. I have no problem with visits from a REAL distance but she won’t be happy with that.
Anonymous
08/26/2021 21:35
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are fine with not seeing your sister for the rest of your life it's your choice to make.
I hate this narrative - people choosing to not get vaccinated are the ones making the choice. Everyone else is just trying to keep their family safe and keep their sanity.
Speak for yourself.
This is paranoia and judgment, not safety.
Put them at a 10ft distance from each other, outside and masked. This is ridiculous.
HOW is it paranoia?
It's paranoia because it is pretty easy to socialize safely with one (or a tiny group) unvaccinated masked person outdoors. All you have to do is maintain a substantial distance. And it is worth it for family(if you are close to them). Is OP claiming that her children do not go for walks and pass by people? Does she know if these people are vaccinated. Does she care? OP is just looking for someone to punish for her covid paronoia, and she chose her sister.
Before vaccinations , my DH would see his mom through the window. Sometimes, his masked mom would open the windows on the second floor while my masked DH was downstairs in front of the house and have a conversation. These are other fairly safe ways that OP can allow her sister to see her children. OP is just not interested because she is obsessed with her sister's decision not to vaccinate. It's a wrong decision, but it is not worth losing a relationship with her sister. It's not worth her children losing a relationship with their aunt. The past years have been full of misinformation, confusion and fear.
We are in uncharted territory. Protect yourself and your family, but don't be so quick to cut loved ones out because they are not making the best choices. It makes you just as paranoid and foolish as you think they are.
Anonymous
08/26/2021 20:24
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:I'm lost. How do you think in others getting the vaccine will protect your kids?
Kids are safest when surrounded by vaccinated adults.
Anonymous
08/26/2021 20:14
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are fine with not seeing your sister for the rest of your life it's your choice to make.
I hate this narrative - people choosing to not get vaccinated are the ones making the choice. Everyone else is just trying to keep their family safe and keep their sanity.
Speak for yourself.
This is paranoia and judgment, not safety.
Put them at a 10ft distance from each other, outside and masked. This is ridiculous.
HOW is it paranoia?
Anonymous
08/26/2021 18:07
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are fine with not seeing your sister for the rest of your life it's your choice to make.
I hate this narrative - people choosing to not get vaccinated are the ones making the choice. Everyone else is just trying to keep their family safe and keep their sanity.
Speak for yourself.
This is paranoia and judgment, not safety.
Put them at a 10ft distance from each other, outside and masked. This is ridiculous.
Anonymous
08/26/2021 18:05
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think people should get vaccinated but honestly, your kids are far more likely to be exposed at school.
Just because there are other risks doesn't mean you don't mitigate those you easily can.
DP.
What nonsense.
If you can accept the risks of going to school, you can accept the risk of an outdoor, masked visit. They can sit at distances away from each other.
OP has other issues (along with all the pps saying this is reasonable) with her family. She was just looking for an excuse to stop seeing her family.
Family means absolutley nothing to some of you.
And before you ask: Pretty much everyone in my family is vaccinated except those under 12. However there is no way I would prevent my sisters from seeing my kids outdoors if they were not. Some of you are truly pathetic.
Anonymous
08/26/2021 11:49
Subject: Had to cut off visits bw kids and family member due to non-vaccination
Anonymous wrote:I'm lost. How do you think in others getting the vaccine will protect your kids?
How in the world can you be this stupid?
FACT vaccines protect you they also help stop the spread, but they don't stop your body from carrying the virus and giving it to a loved one.
So idiot go back to school for the love of God shut up.