Anonymous wrote:Wouldn’t having a bar mitzvah in the middle of a pandemic with potential unvaccinated people be a violation of Pikuach nefesh?

No. People can choose not to go.

Anonymous wrote:Vaccinated? Absolutely!!!!! Vaccinated breakthrough cases are extremely low.

According to whom? I know of at least 10 fully vaccinated people who have gotten COVID in the past month. Someone is lying to the public about breakthrough cases. The vaccine will likely prevent death and hospitalization, but I really doubt that it is effective as our government is saying at preventing COVID.

Wouldn’t having a bar mitzvah in the middle of a pandemic with potential unvaccinated people be a violation of Pikuach nefesh?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/data-shows-how-rare-severe-breakthrough-covid-infections-are/index.html

How likely is breakthrough Covid?
Overall, the data showed that approximately 1 in 900 vaccinated people had breakthrough infections, odds that would be comparable to dying in a motorcycle crash, according to data from the National Safety Council. The vast majority of those had mild or no symptoms of Covid.

If you look at the underlying data from the study cited in the article, you'll see that the data from the states generally spans a time period from January to the middle or end of July. -- https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/ (Scroll down to see Table 1)

So, for the most part, the study doesn't capture the impact of the Delta variant, which is the predominant threat right now.

You must be such a joy ....do you always look for something? Unbelievable. I feel horrible for all of these kids that are unable to socialize because their parents don't have a clue. You have got to get out of this bubble that you live in. Other places have been wide open this whole time now we are vaccinated and you still want to hide? Poor kids.

LOL. It's not "looking for something" to post that the supposed "point" made by posting this link is invalidated by the fact that the time period included is almost entirely when the far less easily transmissible variants, with far, far fewer breakthrough cases than delta, were predominant. But keep sticking your head in the sand and chanting la la la. Your poor kids. NP.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/data-shows-how-rare-severe-breakthrough-covid-infections-are/index.html

How likely is breakthrough Covid?
Overall, the data showed that approximately 1 in 900 vaccinated people had breakthrough infections, odds that would be comparable to dying in a motorcycle crash, according to data from the National Safety Council. The vast majority of those had mild or no symptoms of Covid.

If you look at the underlying data from the study cited in the article, you'll see that the data from the states generally spans a time period from January to the middle or end of July. -- https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/ (Scroll down to see Table 1)

So, for the most part, the study doesn't capture the impact of the Delta variant, which is the predominant threat right now.

You must be such a joy ....do you always look for something? Unbelievable. I feel horrible for all of these kids that are unable to socialize because their parents don't have a clue. You have got to get out of this bubble that you live in. Other places have been wide open this whole time now we are vaccinated and you still want to hide? Poor kids.

Anonymous wrote:Yes! We will be attending one on September 11th. Two adults and two teens vaccinated, along with one unvaccinated 10 year old.

No bad karma associated with that date...

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/data-shows-how-rare-severe-breakthrough-covid-infections-are/index.html

How likely is breakthrough Covid?
Overall, the data showed that approximately 1 in 900 vaccinated people had breakthrough infections, odds that would be comparable to dying in a motorcycle crash, according to data from the National Safety Council. The vast majority of those had mild or no symptoms of Covid.

If you look at the underlying data from the study cited in the article, you'll see that the data from the states generally spans a time period from January to the middle or end of July. -- https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/ (Scroll down to see Table 1)

So, for the most part, the study doesn't capture the impact of the Delta variant, which is the predominant threat right now.

Anonymous wrote:I'd have to say no. It's a bummer but we've come so far. Let's not continue to make unwise risks when we know what can happen. Let's stop the spread, now.

+1. Clearly, these indoor events are unwise with the higly transmissible nature of this variant.

OP Jew here.

100% no.

OP if this group is Orthodox and or ultra-conservative many adults will not be vaccinated. Think about that. Reform is more likely to have been.

I'd have to say no. It's a bummer but we've come so far. Let's not continue to make unwise risks when we know what can happen. Let's stop the spread, now.

Yes! We will be attending one on September 11th. Two adults and two teens vaccinated, along with one unvaccinated 10 year old.

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Anonymous wrote:Indoor no. They won't keep the masks on. they will be dancing and screaming and hugging. It is irresponsible to even have it.

Ridiculous. These are kids who are old enough to be vaccinated. And OP’s child is. OP, this wouldn’t even be a tough call for me. Of course I’d let my vaccinated kid go.

Yes. I spend a fair amount of time around 12-13 year old boys in MoCo. All of the boys I know are fully vaccinated and they all take mask wearing seriously. Also, they dance very little and basically never hug. I don’t know what boys that PP is hanging out with.

The 10 year old girls I know do hug, dance and scream a lot….and none of them are vaccinated. They are also less likely to keep their masks on as they are always slipping off their little faces.

So I’d let my 12 year old boy go if I had a decent sense of the family and how large the gathering was going to be.

First of all clearly you’ve never been to a bar mitzvah. They all dance. Second what kind of dystopia do you live in where the boys are vaxxed and the girls are not?

Yes, I'd allow

https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/data-shows-how-rare-severe-breakthrough-covid-infections-are/index.html

How likely is breakthrough Covid?
Overall, the data showed that approximately 1 in 900 vaccinated people had breakthrough infections, odds that would be comparable to dying in a motorcycle crash, according to data from the National Safety Council. The vast majority of those had mild or no symptoms of Covid.

Indoors? No way.

Baltimore Sun: "I went to a party with 14 other vaccinated people; 11 of us got COVID"

"I had gone to a house party in Montgomery County. There were 15 adults there, all of us fully vaccinated. The next day, our host started to feel sick. The day after that, she tested positive for COVID-19. She let all of us know right away. I wasn’t too worried. It was bad luck for my friend, but surely she wasn’t that contagious. Surely all of us were immune. I’d been sitting across the room from her. I figured I’d stay home and isolate from my family for a few days, and that would be that. And even that seemed like overkill."

[...]

"Then, I started to hear that a few other people who had been at the party were getting sick. Then a few more. At this point, 11 of the 15 have tested positive for COVID.

"Fortunately, none of us seems to be seriously ill. When fully vaccinated people experience so-called “breakthrough” infection, they tend not to progress to serious disease requiring hospitalization, and I expect that will be the case for us. But I can tell you that even a “mild” case of COVID-19 is pretty miserable. I’ve had fever, chills and muscle aches, and I’ve been weak enough that I can barely get out of bed. I don’t wish this on anybody."

The author is an epidemiologist and biomedical researcher at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine.

It's only one anecdote, yes, but it suggests that symptomatic breakthrough infections may not be as rare as advertised now that Delta is dominant.


The full column is here: https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0804-breakthrough-covid-20210803-t32trfpiwzdf5okfar45f64whi-story.html?fbclid=IwAR1u65xAjsv95_i-DrJ0YhJy7Z6BkyARfBwUFWTXM8Tr9uboegZo85Es6Hk