Anonymous
08/04/2021 21:51
Subject: What happens to doc reviewers when there is no more doc review ?
Agree with the above that Slack get requested pretty frequently for production now.
TAR is very rarely used at my DC firm. I don’t see it replacing human review 100% for many decades.
TAR is very rarely used at my DC firm. I don’t see it replacing human review 100% for many decades.
Anonymous
08/04/2021 19:58
Subject: What happens to doc reviewers when there is no more doc review ?
i work in criminal law and criminal defendants often have their phones imaged and prosecution sees absolutely everything including their porn etc. there are of course privilege issues. You do not tend to sew stuff within apps though . If they did communications within an app that isn’t IM the prosecution probably would never find it .Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Agree TAR sucks so it won’t replace humans for a while. But this is not a job that will exist in DC. The last few insured cases I’ve had massive pushback — they want everything done by contract outfits in Florida or Ohio that charge like $20/hour or something ridiculous. And some of these contractors are using people in India or the carribean who get American bar licenses and are fluent English speakers but work for a fraction of the cost.
I’m also wondering if the increasing use of disappearing communications methods like slack will cut down on docs to be reviewed. Email may have already hit its zenith.
No, it will just change with things like slack. I have had cases where they demanded production of slack messages. The tech issues with producing slack messages were horrible, but it can be done and companies are going to find that they will need to preserve and produce these kinds of messages too.
Anonymous
08/04/2021 19:54
Subject: What happens to doc reviewers when there is no more doc review ?
Anonymous wrote:Agree TAR sucks so it won’t replace humans for a while. But this is not a job that will exist in DC. The last few insured cases I’ve had massive pushback — they want everything done by contract outfits in Florida or Ohio that charge like $20/hour or something ridiculous. And some of these contractors are using people in India or the carribean who get American bar licenses and are fluent English speakers but work for a fraction of the cost.
I’m also wondering if the increasing use of disappearing communications methods like slack will cut down on docs to be reviewed. Email may have already hit its zenith.
No, it will just change with things like slack. I have had cases where they demanded production of slack messages. The tech issues with producing slack messages were horrible, but it can be done and companies are going to find that they will need to preserve and produce these kinds of messages too.
Anonymous
08/04/2021 19:46
Subject: What happens to doc reviewers when there is no more doc review ?
Agree TAR sucks so it won’t replace humans for a while. But this is not a job that will exist in DC. The last few insured cases I’ve had massive pushback — they want everything done by contract outfits in Florida or Ohio that charge like $20/hour or something ridiculous. And some of these contractors are using people in India or the carribean who get American bar licenses and are fluent English speakers but work for a fraction of the cost.
I’m also wondering if the increasing use of disappearing communications methods like slack will cut down on docs to be reviewed. Email may have already hit its zenith.
I’m also wondering if the increasing use of disappearing communications methods like slack will cut down on docs to be reviewed. Email may have already hit its zenith.
Anonymous
08/04/2021 19:30
Subject: What happens to doc reviewers when there is no more doc review ?
Doc review is the leprosy of the legal profession. If you do it over a year you’ll likely never be taken seriously again so you either have to risk starting your own practice and your odds of failing are very high. In fact so bad are the odds they gave to go back to doc review to support themselves . Or they work for the BVA and don’t develop marketable skills there whole trying to not get fired for not making production . Sure did review is important but you are a leper to the profession
Anonymous
08/04/2021 18:48
Subject: Re:What happens to doc reviewers when there is no more doc review ?
^^^ meant to add +1 to the above! I agree!
Anonymous
08/04/2021 18:48
Subject: What happens to doc reviewers when there is no more doc review ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a litigator who pays for a combo of TAR and human review, it's really really hard for me to imagine human review will, in my lifetime, be phased out to the point this question will be a serious concern. I think some sect of clients will always be uncomfortable with exclusive TAR of their potentially privileged documents.
This. TAR is okay for a first line review but you will never be able to just upload docs to a TAR platform and then produce what it spits out. Not even close. Computers don't get nuance.
Clients don’t care. Most doc reviewers jobs will be eliminated . What do those people do then ?
IDK who your clients are but my clients care. I even had a client who demanded all doc review be done by us or local counsel—no contract reviewers. They didn’t want their docs floating around with random reviewers. No effing way they were gonna rely on TAR.
My clients demand second and third level review by actual humans.
Anonymous
08/04/2021 18:44
Subject: What happens to doc reviewers when there is no more doc review ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a litigator who pays for a combo of TAR and human review, it's really really hard for me to imagine human review will, in my lifetime, be phased out to the point this question will be a serious concern. I think some sect of clients will always be uncomfortable with exclusive TAR of their potentially privileged documents.
This. TAR is okay for a first line review but you will never be able to just upload docs to a TAR platform and then produce what it spits out. Not even close. Computers don't get nuance.
Clients don’t care. Most doc reviewers jobs will be eliminated . What do those people do then ?
IDK who your clients are but my clients care. I even had a client who demanded all doc review be done by us or local counsel—no contract reviewers. They didn’t want their docs floating around with random reviewers. No effing way they were gonna rely on TAR.