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Anonymous wrote:Ok so we go back to policing what women can do

Women don’t get a free pass to be dicks. I’m a straight woman, fwiw. These women go to gay bars because they are like “omg—the gays throw the BeST parties. They are just SO MUCH fun”. They are fetisizhing gay guys. It’s icky and rude.

Ok so let's make a rule forbidding it. Or maybe just accept that you won't like every single thing every other person in the world ever does

Not make a rule but why can’t people express what is rude/unacceptable so bachelorette parties know it’s rude. If they decide they don’t care if it’s rude then they will not be made to feel welcome and no big deal because “you won’t like every single thing every other person in the world does”.

The problem is bachelorette parties. What is sacrosanct about the gay clubs?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so we go back to policing what women can do

Women don’t get a free pass to be dicks. I’m a straight woman, fwiw. These women go to gay bars because they are like “omg—the gays throw the BeST parties. They are just SO MUCH fun”. They are fetisizhing gay guys. It’s icky and rude.

Ok so let's make a rule forbidding it. Or maybe just accept that you won't like every single thing every other person in the world ever does

Not make a rule but why can’t people express what is rude/unacceptable so bachelorette parties know it’s rude. If they decide they don’t care if it’s rude then they will not be made to feel welcome and no big deal because “you won’t like every single thing every other person in the world does”.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so we go back to policing what women can do

Women don’t get a free pass to be dicks. I’m a straight woman, fwiw. These women go to gay bars because they are like “omg—the gays throw the BeST parties. They are just SO MUCH fun”. They are fetisizhing gay guys. It’s icky and rude.

Ok so let's make a rule forbidding it. Or maybe just accept that you won't like every single thing every other person in the world ever does

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so we go back to policing what women can do

Sure, while we're at it, what's up with straight white women who get really into progressive issues and then adopt a queer identity while continuing to exclusively date men.

We have top make a law to stop letting women do that

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Anonymous wrote:Major false equivalence here.

Trans women utilize female restrooms because the trans woman identify as women (no commentary offered in whether they are or aren’t; it’s besides the point in this case).

Bachelorette parties don’t go to gay bars because they identify as gay.

Think about that for a moment. So, why do they go?

They go because they want to dance and have fun at a place where the men won't bother them, touch them, harass them, etc. They can just dance together without unwanted male attention. Imagine that.

Okay, but then they subject gay men to unwanted female attention and sloppy behavior. That's not better!

No they don’t. They are there for the music and their friends. Why would women pay attention to gay men any more than gay men pay attention to the women? They would be ay a straight bar if that’s what they wanted.

You clearly have not seen this spectacle

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Major false equivalence here.

Trans women utilize female restrooms because the trans woman identify as women (no commentary offered in whether they are or aren’t; it’s besides the point in this case).

Bachelorette parties don’t go to gay bars because they identify as gay.

Think about that for a moment. So, why do they go?

They go because they want to dance and have fun at a place where the men won't bother them, touch them, harass them, etc. They can just dance together without unwanted male attention. Imagine that.

Okay, but then they subject gay men to unwanted female attention and sloppy behavior. That's not better!

No they don’t. They are there for the music and their friends. Why would women pay attention to gay men any more than gay men pay attention to the women? They would be ay a straight bar if that’s what they wanted.

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Anonymous wrote:Major false equivalence here.

Trans women utilize female restrooms because the trans woman identify as women (no commentary offered in whether they are or aren’t; it’s besides the point in this case).

Bachelorette parties don’t go to gay bars because they identify as gay.

Think about that for a moment. So, why do they go?

They go because they want to dance and have fun at a place where the men won't bother them, touch them, harass them, etc. They can just dance together without unwanted male attention. Imagine that.

Okay, but then they subject gay men to unwanted female attention and sloppy behavior. That's not better!

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Anonymous wrote:Ok so we go back to policing what women can do

Women don’t get a free pass to be dicks. I’m a straight woman, fwiw. These women go to gay bars because they are like “omg—the gays throw the BeST parties. They are just SO MUCH fun”. They are fetisizhing gay guys. It’s icky and rude.

Some of them go because they are free from male harassment there. I do not think you can generalize like you did. Your post has a strong tinge of misogyny and sexist stereotyping.

I'm not saying they should go. What I am saying is that your post, however, is sexist.

Anonymous wrote:Major false equivalence here.

Trans women utilize female restrooms because the trans woman identify as women (no commentary offered in whether they are or aren’t; it’s besides the point in this case).

Bachelorette parties don’t go to gay bars because they identify as gay.

Think about that for a moment. So, why do they go?

They go because they want to dance and have fun at a place where the men won't bother them, touch them, harass them, etc. They can just dance together without unwanted male attention. Imagine that.

These are businesses open to anyone, not private clubs or social organizations that are focused on advocating for a particular community. They will sell liquor to anyone with money, just like any bar or restaurant should.

What if the women are not just hetero - how convenient to label an entire group of people.

Anonymous wrote:Ok so we go back to policing what women can do

Women don’t get a free pass to be dicks. I’m a straight woman, fwiw. These women go to gay bars because they are like “omg—the gays throw the BeST parties. They are just SO MUCH fun”. They are fetisizhing gay guys. It’s icky and rude.

I joined the Facebook page Pantsuit Nation after the Women’s March in 2016. But, I am continuously surprised by all the posts by gay men using that community as a safe space to post about their struggles and accomplishments. I never do, but am always tempted to point out on those posts that gay men don’t need to wear pantsuits. They can just wear regular suits and they are taking up space in a community founded as a place for women to talk to other women about their experiences.

Herero women have a history of seeking safety in LGBTQ spaces, but LGBTQ people also have a history of seeking a safe space in communities organized for women. I understand it, but it’s important to remember that it cuts both ways.

You all have absolutely no idea whether the people out with their friends for the evening are gay, straight, bi or pan. You have zero clue whether they are cis or trans or non-binary.

Mind your own business.

Major false equivalence here.

Trans women utilize female restrooms because the trans woman identify as women (no commentary offered in whether they are or aren’t; it’s besides the point in this case).

Bachelorette parties don’t go to gay bars because they identify as gay.

Think about that for a moment. So, why do they go?