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Anonymous wrote:Are there really just no schools for EOTP kids that don't require supplementation for the basics? Is this a EOTP issue? DC issue? US public schools issue? If LAMB doesn't do the basics well enough, is there just nowhere that does?

I don't think many schools actually require supplementation, it depends on parental expectations. Some parents naturally will do so. We might ourselves just to be sure, mainly due to the lost year of learning, not LAMB falling short necessarily.

It truly would only be parents of upper elementary, or graduates, who could tell what's what at any given school, including LAMB. I would like to hear from some.

Anonymous wrote:Are there really just no schools for EOTP kids that don't require supplementation for the basics? Is this a EOTP issue? DC issue? US public schools issue? If LAMB doesn't do the basics well enough, is there just nowhere that does?

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate this concern about PARCC math scores at LAMB. They are not strong. But PARCC is not the be-all and end-all of measuring math skills. I am a LAMB parent and know they use other assessment tools. PARCC is not compatible with Montessori math. But my daughter is entering 8th grade in DCI and was placed a grade ahead in math when she entered the school, as were many of her LAMB classmates. Yes, there are parents that are concerned about it regardless of whether or not we understand that it isn't compatible with PARCC and the administration is also concerned about it and does not brush it aside.

But how did she score on PARCC? Without knowing whether the kids that place ahead scored 4's or 5's, it's no accurate to assume that the low number of kids scoring on grade level are actually at or above grade level, but just not demonstrating that on PARCC.

She scored a 4, and was a few points away from 5.

That is helpful, thank you for sharing. I absolutely don't doubt that some kids are able to exceed expectations (in any learning environment, really), but it sounds like her PARCC scores matched her actual skill level closely based on her DCI placement. Which means the 89% of black students and 45% of white students that are below grade level at LAMB according to PARCC may actually be below grade level and not just bad at PARCC because of Montessori fidelity. Obviously you can't draw conclusions from one data point, but it's something I'd be very cognizant of if I were a LAMB parent.

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Anonymous wrote:the bead frame is used to teach base ten numbers in montessori. it’s color coded and easy for my 5 year old to understand. she can skip count and now has a good foundation in number sense, not just wrote learning.

That is fine but I do not know how to use a bead frame or an abacus, and we are not using a bead frame at all. I think it is unreasonable to expect parents to be the ones to teach children how to use archaic equipment.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate this concern about PARCC math scores at LAMB. They are not strong. But PARCC is not the be-all and end-all of measuring math skills. I am a LAMB parent and know they use other assessment tools. PARCC is not compatible with Montessori math. But my daughter is entering 8th grade in DCI and was placed a grade ahead in math when she entered the school, as were many of her LAMB classmates. Yes, there are parents that are concerned about it regardless of whether or not we understand that it isn't compatible with PARCC and the administration is also concerned about it and does not brush it aside.

But how did she score on PARCC? Without knowing whether the kids that place ahead scored 4's or 5's, it's no accurate to assume that the low number of kids scoring on grade level are actually at or above grade level, but just not demonstrating that on PARCC.

She scored a 4, and was a few points away from 5.

That is helpful, thank you for sharing. I absolutely don't doubt that some kids are able to exceed expectations (in any learning environment, really), but it sounds like her PARCC scores matched her actual skill level closely based on her DCI placement. Which means the 89% of black students and 45% of white students that are below grade level at LAMB according to PARCC may actually be below grade level and not just bad at PARCC because of Montessori fidelity. Obviously you can't draw conclusions from one data point, but it's something I'd be very cognizant of if I were a LAMB parent.

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Anonymous wrote:I appreciate this concern about PARCC math scores at LAMB. They are not strong. But PARCC is not the be-all and end-all of measuring math skills. I am a LAMB parent and know they use other assessment tools. PARCC is not compatible with Montessori math. But my daughter is entering 8th grade in DCI and was placed a grade ahead in math when she entered the school, as were many of her LAMB classmates. Yes, there are parents that are concerned about it regardless of whether or not we understand that it isn't compatible with PARCC and the administration is also concerned about it and does not brush it aside.

But how did she score on PARCC? Without knowing whether the kids that place ahead scored 4's or 5's, it's no accurate to assume that the low number of kids scoring on grade level are actually at or above grade level, but just not demonstrating that on PARCC.

She scored a 4, and was a few points away from 5.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I appreciate this concern about PARCC math scores at LAMB. They are not strong. But PARCC is not the be-all and end-all of measuring math skills. I am a LAMB parent and know they use other assessment tools. PARCC is not compatible with Montessori math. But my daughter is entering 8th grade in DCI and was placed a grade ahead in math when she entered the school, as were many of her LAMB classmates. Yes, there are parents that are concerned about it regardless of whether or not we understand that it isn't compatible with PARCC and the administration is also concerned about it and does not brush it aside.

But how did she score on PARCC? Without knowing whether the kids that place ahead scored 4's or 5's, it's no accurate to assume that the low number of kids scoring on grade level are actually at or above grade level, but just not demonstrating that on PARCC.

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Anonymous wrote:the bead frame is used to teach base ten numbers in montessori. it’s color coded and easy for my 5 year old to understand. she can skip count and now has a good foundation in number sense, not just wrote learning.

That is fine but I do not know how to use a bead frame or an abacus, and we are not using a bead frame at all. I think it is unreasonable to expect parents to be the ones to teach children how to use archaic equipment.

the Montessori method is pretty tactile in general -- I get the point in using the various equipment they use because of their understanding of how kids learn. I don't profess to understand Montessori methods fully, but I think it's just that you make a choice when you enroll your kids, that they will be using these methods and techniques.

This. If you’re this annoyed about an abacus you may not be right for Montessori.

Also who sent this email? I never saw anything like this.

And: try looking up how to use an abacus. It’s actually pretty cool.

PP wasn't annoyed about the use of tha abacus, but about the expectation she teach it with no support or guidance

Good lord. It wasn’t an expectation, just a suggestion for a fun math supporting activity for summer alongside things like “read to your child”. A website to learn more was linked.

Some people…

Completely agree with PP directly above. It was an end-of-year email from the principal that (without pressuring parents), listed several ideas for those parents who were looking for "enrichment-type" activities to do over the summer. I actually thought that the suggestion of the abacus was spot on and a really good (cheaper and more easily available) analogue to a Montessori bead board. I also agree that there are reasons for parents to pay attention to both math and reading skills, and to take PARCC scores as one piece of information along with several other pieces of information. But outrage over an email providing several suggestions for summer activities (without any implication that parents are expected to teach these skills) seems like an odd place to put your frustration.

The LAMB defenders are in the house!

There's no 'outrage'. Calm down. A person's mild criticism is that parents are not taught Montessori pedagogy, but there's a suggestion that we should know it. It's ok.

Except there was no suggestion whatsoever of this, so it's complete BS and weird, to be honest.

Shhhh....you are making our school look ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:the bead frame is used to teach base ten numbers in montessori. it’s color coded and easy for my 5 year old to understand. she can skip count and now has a good foundation in number sense, not just wrote learning.

That is fine but I do not know how to use a bead frame or an abacus, and we are not using a bead frame at all. I think it is unreasonable to expect parents to be the ones to teach children how to use archaic equipment.

the Montessori method is pretty tactile in general -- I get the point in using the various equipment they use because of their understanding of how kids learn. I don't profess to understand Montessori methods fully, but I think it's just that you make a choice when you enroll your kids, that they will be using these methods and techniques.

This. If you’re this annoyed about an abacus you may not be right for Montessori.

Also who sent this email? I never saw anything like this.

And: try looking up how to use an abacus. It’s actually pretty cool.

PP wasn't annoyed about the use of tha abacus, but about the expectation she teach it with no support or guidance

Good lord. It wasn’t an expectation, just a suggestion for a fun math supporting activity for summer alongside things like “read to your child”. A website to learn more was linked.

Some people…

Completely agree with PP directly above. It was an end-of-year email from the principal that (without pressuring parents), listed several ideas for those parents who were looking for "enrichment-type" activities to do over the summer. I actually thought that the suggestion of the abacus was spot on and a really good (cheaper and more easily available) analogue to a Montessori bead board. I also agree that there are reasons for parents to pay attention to both math and reading skills, and to take PARCC scores as one piece of information along with several other pieces of information. But outrage over an email providing several suggestions for summer activities (without any implication that parents are expected to teach these skills) seems like an odd place to put your frustration.

The LAMB defenders are in the house!

There's no 'outrage'. Calm down. A person's mild criticism is that parents are not taught Montessori pedagogy, but there's a suggestion that we should know it. It's ok.

Except there was no suggestion whatsoever of this, so it's complete BS and weird, to be honest.

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Anonymous wrote:the bead frame is used to teach base ten numbers in montessori. it’s color coded and easy for my 5 year old to understand. she can skip count and now has a good foundation in number sense, not just wrote learning.

That is fine but I do not know how to use a bead frame or an abacus, and we are not using a bead frame at all. I think it is unreasonable to expect parents to be the ones to teach children how to use archaic equipment.

the Montessori method is pretty tactile in general -- I get the point in using the various equipment they use because of their understanding of how kids learn. I don't profess to understand Montessori methods fully, but I think it's just that you make a choice when you enroll your kids, that they will be using these methods and techniques.

This. If you’re this annoyed about an abacus you may not be right for Montessori.

Also who sent this email? I never saw anything like this.

And: try looking up how to use an abacus. It’s actually pretty cool.

PP wasn't annoyed about the use of tha abacus, but about the expectation she teach it with no support or guidance

Good lord. It wasn’t an expectation, just a suggestion for a fun math supporting activity for summer alongside things like “read to your child”. A website to learn more was linked.

Some people…

Completely agree with PP directly above. It was an end-of-year email from the principal that (without pressuring parents), listed several ideas for those parents who were looking for "enrichment-type" activities to do over the summer. I actually thought that the suggestion of the abacus was spot on and a really good (cheaper and more easily available) analogue to a Montessori bead board. I also agree that there are reasons for parents to pay attention to both math and reading skills, and to take PARCC scores as one piece of information along with several other pieces of information. But outrage over an email providing several suggestions for summer activities (without any implication that parents are expected to teach these skills) seems like an odd place to put your frustration.

The LAMB defenders are in the house!

There's no 'outrage'. Calm down. A person's mild criticism is that parents are not taught Montessori pedagogy, but there's a suggestion that we should know it. It's ok.