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Anonymous wrote:It totally depends on your temperament and the temperament of your kids. If you are fine with chaos and not every kid getting to be in every activity (or you missing those activities) three is fine. If you have easy kids three is fine.

I have a low tolerance for chaos. I really wanted three though, so I'm a SAHM mom with a full time nanny and parents who live down the street. If we weren't able to have those things we probably would have stopped at one. I had to choose career or 3, because my DH works 70 hours a week and someone had to be home.

The way we look at it- it's hard but the reward comes in 30 years with a full thanksgiving or Christmas table. We want a big family to enjoy as we age and are putting in the work now.

DP who has three: I see the bolded reasoning a lot, and I think it’s completely illogical. First, you have to *get through* the time of having three kids: don’t make decisions based on a future that far down the road. Second, nothing is given. You have NO idea what the future holds, so don’t live for it. Finally, if you overextend yourself that much to raise the big family you always wanted, ignoring the reality of what it’s like to raise said family, there’s a decent chance you won’t have the kind of home life that makes adult kids want to spend that much time with their parents later on. Very few people can afford the resources of a SAH parent AND a full-time nanny AND grandparents down the street. That’s… not realistic for most.

We have three and love it and embrace the chaos and messiness that comes with raising three kids. I certainly hope we’ll all be close in 20+ years and for grandkids and all that, but I can’t fathom using such a long timeframe to drive this kind of decision. DH and I love having three kids *now* and look forward to *raising them*, not the time when they’ll be out of the house.

Wow you are reading a lot into my post that isn't there, and incredibly rude to boot. How is wanting my kids for Christmas or thanksgiving (not AND, OR, I'm realistic that they will have other things going on in their life) expecting my adult kids to spend a lot of time with me? I pity you that you don't think your kids will want to spend a holiday with you.

And where did I say we don't enjoy raising our kids? Absolutely nowhere. We love it, what WHY WE HAD THREE. I have a nanny because I prioritize spending a lot of one on one time with my kids, I'm never without a child. My husband devotes every second he isn't working to our kids.

I'm not saying you need to have these resources to have three, I'm saying for me, with my anxiety and OCD it would have been impossible to have three and a job, so I picked this version of life and I'm very happy with it.

Ask yourself why you're reading the worst possible motives into someone's else's anodyne post.

NP but I think it was pretty clear it was directed at the reasoning ("I want a large group at Christmas in 20 years, so I'll have three" which I agree, you see a lot on DCUM, and I also agree it's a problematic argument for having three for the reasons given. I don't think it was directed at your situation in particular.

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Anonymous wrote:It totally depends on your temperament and the temperament of your kids. If you are fine with chaos and not every kid getting to be in every activity (or you missing those activities) three is fine. If you have easy kids three is fine.

I have a low tolerance for chaos. I really wanted three though, so I'm a SAHM mom with a full time nanny and parents who live down the street. If we weren't able to have those things we probably would have stopped at one. I had to choose career or 3, because my DH works 70 hours a week and someone had to be home.

The way we look at it- it's hard but the reward comes in 30 years with a full thanksgiving or Christmas table. We want a big family to enjoy as we age and are putting in the work now.

DP who has three: I see the bolded reasoning a lot, and I think it’s completely illogical. First, you have to *get through* the time of having three kids: don’t make decisions based on a future that far down the road. Second, nothing is given. You have NO idea what the future holds, so don’t live for it. Finally, if you overextend yourself that much to raise the big family you always wanted, ignoring the reality of what it’s like to raise said family, there’s a decent chance you won’t have the kind of home life that makes adult kids want to spend that much time with their parents later on. Very few people can afford the resources of a SAH parent AND a full-time nanny AND grandparents down the street. That’s… not realistic for most.

We have three and love it and embrace the chaos and messiness that comes with raising three kids. I certainly hope we’ll all be close in 20+ years and for grandkids and all that, but I can’t fathom using such a long timeframe to drive this kind of decision. DH and I love having three kids *now* and look forward to *raising them*, not the time when they’ll be out of the house.

Wow you are reading a lot into my post that isn't there, and incredibly rude to boot. How is wanting my kids for Christmas or thanksgiving (not AND, OR, I'm realistic that they will have other things going on in their life) expecting my adult kids to spend a lot of time with me? I pity you that you don't think your kids will want to spend a holiday with you.

And where did I say we don't enjoy raising our kids? Absolutely nowhere. We love it, what WHY WE HAD THREE. I have a nanny because I prioritize spending a lot of one on one time with my kids, I'm never without a child. My husband devotes every second he isn't working to our kids.

I'm not saying you need to have these resources to have three, I'm saying for me, with my anxiety and OCD it would have been impossible to have three and a job, so I picked this version of life and I'm very happy with it.

Ask yourself why you're reading the worst possible motives into someone's else's anodyne post.

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Anonymous wrote:It totally depends on your temperament and the temperament of your kids. If you are fine with chaos and not every kid getting to be in every activity (or you missing those activities) three is fine. If you have easy kids three is fine.

I have a low tolerance for chaos. I really wanted three though, so I'm a SAHM mom with a full time nanny and parents who live down the street. If we weren't able to have those things we probably would have stopped at one. I had to choose career or 3, because my DH works 70 hours a week and someone had to be home.

The way we look at it- it's hard but the reward comes in 30 years with a full thanksgiving or Christmas table. We want a big family to enjoy as we age and are putting in the work now.

DP who has three: I see the bolded reasoning a lot, and I think it’s completely illogical. First, you have to *get through* the time of having three kids: don’t make decisions based on a future that far down the road. Second, nothing is given. You have NO idea what the future holds, so don’t live for it. Finally, if you overextend yourself that much to raise the big family you always wanted, ignoring the reality of what it’s like to raise said family, there’s a decent chance you won’t have the kind of home life that makes adult kids want to spend that much time with their parents later on. Very few people can afford the resources of a SAH parent AND a full-time nanny AND grandparents down the street. That’s… not realistic for most.

We have three and love it and embrace the chaos and messiness that comes with raising three kids. I certainly hope we’ll all be close in 20+ years and for grandkids and all that, but I can’t fathom using such a long timeframe to drive this kind of decision. DH and I love having three kids *now* and look forward to *raising them*, not the time when they’ll be out of the house.

Anonymous wrote:^^Also, I completely agree with 12:20, especially about being rigid AF about sleep, dividing labor, and the career thing. Friends with one or two kids don’t understand why we put ours to bed early and are such freaks about sleep; with 3+ kids, you have to be.

And if your spouse can’t handle caring solo for whatever number of children you have, FFS, don’t have another kid. I remember going to brunch with girlfriends when our second was a few months old and people were shocked: “where’s the baby?” Uh, with my husband? His father? He’s quite capable of keeping a toddler and a newborn alive and well for a few hours.

Anonymous wrote:It totally depends on your temperament and the temperament of your kids. If you are fine with chaos and not every kid getting to be in every activity (or you missing those activities) three is fine. If you have easy kids three is fine.

I have a low tolerance for chaos. I really wanted three though, so I'm a SAHM mom with a full time nanny and parents who live down the street. If we weren't able to have those things we probably would have stopped at one. I had to choose career or 3, because my DH works 70 hours a week and someone had to be home.

The way we look at it- it's hard but the reward comes in 30 years with a full thanksgiving or Christmas table. We want a big family to enjoy as we age and are putting in the work now.

Anonymous wrote:I have three in the 'bad' time. Ages almost 6, almost 4 and 18 months. We also work full time and have no family help. Closest grandparents are an 8 hour drive away.

I think the person who said it is your temperament and your kids temperament that matters most is on point. And your income TBH.

Our lives are not bad! Although I feel like we are at a point where in a year we will be in a much easier space than we are even now. But we were not struggling when it was the two of them. Especially when we had a nanny, which we had until last June. For me I think the things it comes down to are...

1) If you don't have family nearby, you do need robust and reliable childcare options. Reliable sitters and reliable nanny/daycare. When we had a nanny we had date night built into her salary, every other week she would stay late for a date night. That one night every other week was an important pressure valve for us through those really demanding early months and ensured we made time for each other and because it was the nanny the kids were great with it.

2) Become a psycho sleep person. We are chill people, but we're not chill about sleep. Kids aren't in our beds and they are on a steady reliable daily sleep schedule. We have never been reading books to a 2 year old at 2 am. There is no getting water at 5am. There is sleeping time and awake time and we drill this in from like, I mean we started soft pushing towards a schedule at like 4 weeks old (NOT sleep training then but like, getting them into a schedule then). My kids all slept through the night by 6 weeks with one wake up for a feeding, and slept through entirely by 6-9 months and went to a single nap at 12 months. We have orbited around sleep for almost 5 years, but it makes all of us happier.

3) We are very routine driven people naturally and that helps. Our days do not change very much. Our kids know what to expect. And we kind of have accepted that until our youngest gets to the point where she can occasionally skip naps, that its just less fun to go out and do stuff as a family, so we just don't. We set up our house to be fun and very very kid oriented.

4) I am putting this as 4 but it is IMO the most important one. You need an egalitarian marriage and distribution of work in the household. Or we did. My husband does every load of laundry in this house. Even mine. He did 50% of the night wake ups and feedings, he wakes up and does mornings every other day (and sleeps in the other every other days). he does 50% of the bedtimes. He is 110% capable of watching the kids and doing a triple bedtime if I want to go out with friends and I am capable of doing it so he can do his team sports once a week. We carry each other's burdens and we do it consciously, willingly, and with love.

5) We both have careers, but neither of us has a CAREER. No one needs to work until 11pm. Neither of us are ambitious. We have good paying jobs and we are both entirely satisfied with putting any type of career advancement on the back burner for a few years. And that is BOTH of us, neither of us expects the other to carry the bag while we go off otherwise fulfilled. But we are also present in our careers and both of us are well regarded and respected. And, due to number 4, if one of us does need to put more time into work for some reason, the other one is happy to step up for a bit. We're just not out there seeking promotions etc.

5) You gotta be a little go with the flow and you have to be ok with the chaos. My house is messy a lot. I try to keep up but I don't always keep up. Sometimes you have to not do something you want to do because a kid started puking, and not carry around anger about it. I'm ok with mac and cheese dinners once a week and not making my kids organic chickpea salads every night.

All that said, as I kind of alluded to earlier, every day is a little easier. When my youngest was 9-15 months I think that was the hardest time we went through. She was mobile and a loose cannon and the other two still so little. But literally every month is better as she gets more competent, can understand no, etc. We're about to say goodbye to bottles forever (woohoo!) and within a year I think we will be saying goodbye to diapers! Saying goodbye to formula was huge. We are in a position where every few months we get to offload some large 'baby' responsibility. Now they can all walk if we need them to! I think that when the youngest is like 2.5-3 we will be in a MUCH easier place, and every year after that!

I will say the one thing that really rings true is that it is harder to give them all the individual attention they need. My oldest I think in particular doesn't always get everything she needs from us and I've been trying to consciously put more time in with her. But they are also a little pack and love each other so much. We work hard on building a culture of how important family is, being there for each other, sticking up for each other, being a GOOD brother and a GOOD sister etc. And so there are pros and cons.

This is really long. I feel like the TL/DR is, if you can let go a bit and work hard to set up the infrastructure you need to feel supported and happy and healthy then three is doable. But if you can't, then stopping at 2 is fine!

Anonymous wrote:I have two kids (newborn and 2.5). Husband and I both work full-time in demanding-is jobs and we have a nanny, but no family support (everyone lives 5+ hours away and no one is in a position to drop everything and help unless there is a big emergency). We bring our kids on date nights and we don't have time alone together, except for when the kids are sleeping. We are thinking of having a third in a few years (that was always the plan). Just grinding it out right now and wondering when it starts getting easier. I've heard it's when your youngest is more independent, around 7. That makes sense to me, but then people always say "bigger kids bigger problems." I totally understand that having a kid who can't make their own meals and throws tantrums is easier than dealing with a mental health crisis or rehab. But that phrase always makes me feel like it will never get easier. So, when does it start getting easier for most people?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean this with kindness. Do not have a third. Don’t. Trust me. It’s really really hard with two parents who work. Your health and your marriage especially will take a major hit. You won’t listen but at least I told you so.

I'm listening. Why is 3 so much harder? I love my job and I don't plan to give it up, but I do feel bad having a sitter on the weekends because we have a nanny from 8:30-5:30 from M-F. I work in a corporate role, but am remote. That might make 3 easier, right?

No, not really. With 3 you are outnumbered and cannot give enough time to any of them.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean this with kindness. Do not have a third. Don’t. Trust me. It’s really really hard with two parents who work. Your health and your marriage especially will take a major hit. You won’t listen but at least I told you so.

I'm listening. Why is 3 so much harder? I love my job and I don't plan to give it up, but I do feel bad having a sitter on the weekends because we have a nanny from 8:30-5:30 from M-F. I work in a corporate role, but am remote. That might make 3 easier, right?