Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Well, in that case, we shouldn't even bother sending our kids to school at all, as that's not an option every child in the world has. Heck, we shouldn't even be going on the internet to ask for advice on how to raise our kids, since not everybody has internet access.

Anonymous wrote:First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

Said nobody ever.

Anonymous wrote:I have been doing a lot of online "research" (reading DCUM) into this and people are all over the place. One poster on another thread claimed kids should be reading chapter books before starting K. If that is the expectation, red shirting makes a lot of sense - most just-turned 5yos are not reading chapter books so you'd be setting up a summer kid starting on time to be behind before formal schooling has even started. Also it seems like the schools encourage the practice in some cases. But there is a subset of parents who seem very aggressively against it, and I wonder if their communication of that attitude to their children would cause red shirted kids to have a more negative experience among certain peers.

I can't speak for privates, but no public school expects this. They aren't even independently reading chapter books in school by the end of K.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up greenshirting if you have a gifted child.

A greenshirted gifted child is going to have a hard to time getting recognized for their intelligence. If they're developmentally a year ahead but are learning alongside kids a year older them, they're not going to do any better than them, which will create the illusion that they have average intelligence.

And I would think this experience of being “average” would be good for a gifted child. If you are the smartest kid in the class from day one of K, good luck avoiding the pressure that comes with that expectation. A gifted kid who is young but advanced doesn’t have to be the smartest in the class until a few years in. I’d think that might be a plus.

If you are smart, holding back makes even less sense as you are not being placed in a developmentally appropriate peer group or academics. You aren't being held to the standard expected by your age group. Parents who say their kid are more mature, really don't recognize they are less mature than their peers as they are a year younger.r

+1 Greenshirting is just the practice of entering children slightly after cutoff. Gifted tests are age-normed, so they actually benefit from being in a class with older children. The absolute worst thing you could do to a gifted child is hold them back a year, which is why you never see it done. See also: Asians don’t redshirt.

Because my kids are smart enough that I don't need to cheat to help them win.

I have been doing a lot of online "research" (reading DCUM) into this and people are all over the place. One poster on another thread claimed kids should be reading chapter books before starting K. If that is the expectation, red shirting makes a lot of sense - most just-turned 5yos are not reading chapter books so you'd be setting up a summer kid starting on time to be behind before formal schooling has even started. Also it seems like the schools encourage the practice in some cases. But there is a subset of parents who seem very aggressively against it, and I wonder if their communication of that attitude to their children would cause red shirted kids to have a more negative experience among certain peers.

First Rule of Good Parenting: don't skew things to your kid's advantage

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Anonymous wrote:Because caring for children is a nightmare and expensive. Parents send their kids as soon as they can.

Then why did even have children in the first place? Were they forced at gun-point?

Daycare is very expensive. It's typically $20k for an extra year of daycare. Parents weigh the other uses of that money. Forget the nightmare part of PPs post. It's not a nightmare. It's the expense. That’s also why people get so worked up about redshirting being "cheating". They feel bad about not wanting to spend the money.

But I'm asking about affluent parents; parents for whom k20 is pennies. Clearly, they have the means to redshirt, yet the vast majority don't.

I'm not in that category, so can't say from experience. But from what I've read on other threads, I thought privates all expect redshirting. So where are you getting your info about not redshirting in the 20k to pennies demographic?

I didnt even know this was a thing until way after the fact (DS 7th currently). More exec functioning strength could help, maybe a little more height in regards to sports but other than that my January kid went into K when he was meant to.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up greenshirting if you have a gifted child.

A greenshirted gifted child is going to have a hard to time getting recognized for their intelligence. If they're developmentally a year ahead but are learning alongside kids a year older them, they're not going to do any better than them, which will create the illusion that they have average intelligence.

And I would think this experience of being “average” would be good for a gifted child. If you are the smartest kid in the class from day one of K, good luck avoiding the pressure that comes with that expectation. A gifted kid who is young but advanced doesn’t have to be the smartest in the class until a few years in. I’d think that might be a plus.

If you are smart, holding back makes even less sense as you are not being placed in a developmentally appropriate peer group or academics. You aren't being held to the standard expected by your age group. Parents who say their kid are more mature, really don't recognize they are less mature than their peers as they are a year younger.r

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Because parents of smart kids don’t do it.

+1. My son is a Feb birthday nd going to K this fall but if the cutoff was hypothetically Feb 28, I would send him without a second thought. He's already reading and mature for age. He wouldn't need another year of preschool.

February and August-November are very different. Makes no sense to hold back a Feb. child.

I should have been more clear. I meant if hypothetically the cutoff was end of Feb and K started March 1st or whatever, I would send him. I would send him at or about to turn 5.

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Anonymous wrote:Look up greenshirting if you have a gifted child.

A greenshirted gifted child is going to have a hard to time getting recognized for their intelligence. If they're developmentally a year ahead but are learning alongside kids a year older them, they're not going to do any better than them, which will create the illusion that they have average intelligence.

And I would think this experience of being “average” would be good for a gifted child. If you are the smartest kid in the class from day one of K, good luck avoiding the pressure that comes with that expectation. A gifted kid who is young but advanced doesn’t have to be the smartest in the class until a few years in. I’d think that might be a plus.

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Anonymous wrote:Because caring for children is a nightmare and expensive. Parents send their kids as soon as they can.

Then why did even have children in the first place? Were they forced at gun-point?

Daycare is very expensive. It's typically $20k for an extra year of daycare. Parents weigh the other uses of that money. Forget the nightmare part of PPs post. It's not a nightmare. It's the expense. That’s also why people get so worked up about redshirting being "cheating". They feel bad about not wanting to spend the money.

But I'm asking about affluent parents; parents for whom k20 is pennies. Clearly, they have the means to redshirt, yet the vast majority don't.

Are you trying to convince us you are right, or are you trying to convince yourself? Do what you want.

Anonymous wrote:Some people say that it gives the child one less year to work and earn money - it leaves them at a disadvantage.

.agree

I skipped a grade and made an extra years salary.

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Because parents of smart kids don’t do it.

+1. My son is a Feb birthday nd going to K this fall but if the cutoff was hypothetically Feb 28, I would send him without a second thought. He's already reading and mature for age. He wouldn't need another year of preschool.

February and August-November are very different. Makes no sense to hold back a Feb. child.