Anonymous
06/15/2021 09:16
Subject: Did you know that “Amazing Grace” was written by a slave trader-turned abolitionist?
God uses such people to show the world that no one is beyond His grace and redemption. And create things that give others hope and Joy.
Anonymous
06/14/2021 22:12
Subject: Re:Did you know that “Amazing Grace” was written by a slave trader-turned abolitionist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, and it's the reason I find its widespread inclusion in "diversity" events to be odd.
I don’t follow this. Why? Humans are all deeply flawed regardless of race. Black slave traders sold other blacks to the Europeans in Africa. Look at child soldiers in Africa today being abducted drugged and brainwashed.
Slavery in Africa was nothing like New World chattel slavery. There was no way that the Africans who sold slaves knew that they were consigning people to be property since that’s not how slavery worked in African societies. They had know way of knowing that the children of the people sold would be kept enslaved in generations because that’s not how African slavery worked either.
It’s also important to recognize that whiteness and blackness didn’t really exist yet as identity categories. Africans involved in the slave trade didn’t view the people they sold as sharing a racial identity. Ethnicity and religion were what mattered for solidarity. And even initially, whites were focused on getting non-Christians regardless of skin colors. Remember, they tried enslaving the native peoples of the Americas first. Most died and the survivors converted as a way of getting the protection of the Church.
I don’t know where you were told this, but it seems a bit naive. Often it was Arab slave traders selling blacks to whites. Muslim slavery exactly like chattel slavery, although converts to Islam were sometimes freed. Among animists and others, those who lost battles were taken and sold as slaves, and it’s a bit naive to claim the sellers had no clue what was going to happen when they saw their defeated enemies chained and loaded onto ships. There was/still is a great diversity in African cultures and it’s wrong to speak of them as a cultural monolith with identical motives and understandings.
Anonymous
06/14/2021 11:38
Subject: Did you know that “Amazing Grace” was written by a slave trader-turned abolitionist?
Anonymous wrote:https://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Grace-Ioan-Gruffudd/dp/B000VNMMQG/ref=pd_lpo_74_t_0/144-7665607-3180911?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000VNMMQG&pd_rd_r=23d436f1-c681-4249-ae73-b22a86d0e380&pd_rd_w=kl8ln&pd_rd_wg=ljTOR&pf_rd_p=a0d6e967-6561-454c-84f8-2ce2c92b79a6&pf_rd_r=GK2JEA1HVZT0QP61546S&psc=1&refRID=GK2JEA1HVZT0QP61546S
I posted the link above to this 'Amazing Grace' movie that I highly recommend. I think the post ended up a little wonky and not directly to this movie as inted and may have been deleted
Amazing Grace
Ioan Gruffudd (Actor), Albert Finney (Actor), Michael Apted (Director) Rated: PG Format: DVD 4.7 out of 5 stars 3,189 ratings IMDb7.4/10.0
Anonymous
06/04/2021 08:09
Subject: Re:Did you know that “Amazing Grace” was written by a slave trader-turned abolitionist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, and it's the reason I find its widespread inclusion in "diversity" events to be odd.
I don’t follow this. Why? Humans are all deeply flawed regardless of race. Black slave traders sold other blacks to the Europeans in Africa. Look at child soldiers in Africa today being abducted drugged and brainwashed.
Slavery in Africa was nothing like New World chattel slavery. There was no way that the Africans who sold slaves knew that they were consigning people to be property since that’s not how slavery worked in African societies. They had know way of knowing that the children of the people sold would be kept enslaved in generations because that’s not how African slavery worked either.
It’s also important to recognize that whiteness and blackness didn’t really exist yet as identity categories. Africans involved in the slave trade didn’t view the people they sold as sharing a racial identity. Ethnicity and religion were what mattered for solidarity. And even initially, whites were focused on getting non-Christians regardless of skin colors. Remember, they tried enslaving the native peoples of the Americas first. Most died and the survivors converted as a way of getting the protection of the Church.
? yes it did. White people back then still saw black people as inferior. Actually, they saw all non white Christians as inferior.
And I'm a Christian.