Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 23:16     Subject: PAC tryouts
Why is there an 09 boys but not girls? This is a thing that gives outsiders pause unfortunately.
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 22:57     Subject: Re:PAC tryouts
PAC’s 09 boys usually play in the top flight at tournaments. I think they knocked off quite a few bigger name teams. In my opinion, better than almost all B teams (except maybe Arlington). Better than many A teams (ie VIenna - no snarky comments please ). They lost in the state tournament.

Btw - better is totally subjective...just saying they are pretty good.

To be honest, the fact they compete with bigger clubs at the B level (and lower) talent shows how well they develop.

Just don’t expect a lot of wins at U9 and U10...but at U11/12 the teams seems to get quite competitive. Don’t know about their older teams.


I guess it all depends on your child.
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 21:26     Subject: PAC tryouts
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Anonymous wrote:league play is important because if a team is competitive in that league, it means that the players the kid plays with are of a level to be competitive in that league. If you take one of those players and place them on a lower level team, they will likely not have players of similar skill around them to train with (which is necessary for development). If you took the average pac team and placed them in ECNL, they would be embarrassed on a regular basis. A kid on an ECNL team that is middle of the pack would be taking a large step backwards training with that tea,



Not if the could play BRYC I think thats a pretty even match


BRYC is going to have some damn good teams next year. More importantly, they have some really good character kids. And, we're happy to be a part of it.
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 21:20     Subject: PAC tryouts
Anonymous wrote:league play is important because if a team is competitive in that league, it means that the players the kid plays with are of a level to be competitive in that league. If you take one of those players and place them on a lower level team, they will likely not have players of similar skill around them to train with (which is necessary for development). If you took the average pac team and placed them in ECNL, they would be embarrassed on a regular basis. A kid on an ECNL team that is middle of the pack would be taking a large step backwards training with that tea,



Not if the could play BRYC I think thats a pretty even match
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 17:23     Subject: Re:PAC tryouts
Anonymous wrote:We went to PAC practice and were incredibly impressed with Sully. However, the competition just was not going to challenge our son to make him better. Really wish Sully had a greater group of talent. He truly makes soccer fun. If I were starting out a 9 year old, I'd put him / her with PAC. But, not when your kid is able to make ECNL squads.


PAC has lost and will continue to lose kids every year to ECNL teams every year. So they can definitely develop the talent to compete in the ECNL. But I totally get it its tough for a small club to compete on a big level consistently. But its sad to see them go but a proud moment each and every team you look up and see a PAC player now playing in ECNL or college or Pro or National team call ups.
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 14:46     Subject: Re:PAC tryouts
We went to PAC practice and were incredibly impressed with Sully. However, the competition just was not going to challenge our son to make him better. Really wish Sully had a greater group of talent. He truly makes soccer fun. If I were starting out a 9 year old, I'd put him / her with PAC. But, not when your kid is able to make ECNL squads.
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 12:40     Subject: Re:PAC tryouts
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Anonymous wrote:DP. would you say it is a club to start with and then move on to more competitive teams after a few years or can players on A & B teams from nearby big clubs come to PAC and still develop?


Both. More the former. Plenty of B team players from Arlington or McLean or Vienna might play top team at pac and get better training.


Why do you assume that PAC offers better training than B teams from Arlington, McLean or Vienna? I know that B teams from the first two clubs usually beat PAC's top teams. Not sure about Vienna's B team, but as a club they do pretty good job, particularly on the girls side.


You really don’t understand development. It is about how much you improve over a few years, not whether one team is better than the other at any given point in time. My kid was at pac and plays at a different club that beats the top teams other areas clubs, so yes, I have seen how these clubs are doing with the same kids over a period of time.


small clubs have problems with development, especially if they either have B teams or are no cut. Players on a B team on a small club will be playing and training with kids who are just shy of A to players who may be new to the game. This is even worse if there is just an A team with no cuts because you may have so very good players and some marginal players. It's hard to have drills that are appropriate and helpful to all of the players. Meanwhile Arlington can group players across 4 or 5 levels so that kids are playing with and training with like skilled players.


I use to think this. And you can also make the case that it is more enjoyable to play on teams where kids are all a similar level. But in my experience, my kid improved a lot more at PAC than at McLean.

I don't think this is an every day practice, but PAC coaches will pull out kids from different teams and age groups to go up or even down in training. There are ways around the issue.


was your kid one of the better players? The rest are being pushed by playing with the better players, but what about the better players? My kid is at another small club but is on a team where everyone is at around the same level, so you can see them getting better


As a parent considering PAC this is exactly what I am asking as well. Coming from bigger club that was a strong team will my DC be left out of the development if the focus is catching the other players up to speed


Which age group?
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 11:35     Subject: PAC tryouts
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Anonymous wrote:league play is important because if a team is competitive in that league, it means that the players the kid plays with are of a level to be competitive in that league. If you take one of those players and place them on a lower level team, they will likely not have players of similar skill around them to train with (which is necessary for development). If you took the average pac team and placed them in ECNL, they would be embarrassed on a regular basis. A kid on an ECNL team that is middle of the pack would be taking a large step backwards training with that tea,


Let's be real. No ECNL kid will seriously consider PAC. PAC draws from B, C, D team players from other clubs. There may be much better options for B team players in the area, but if a kid is at C or D team at Arlington or another big club, playing on the top team at PAC might not be a bad option depending on the coach you get.


How active/invested is Coach Sully at this point. He coaches a few teams but also roams around the field to look at other groups. Does he actively coach his teams every practice or do other coaches handle and he supplements? Given his experience I can see a lot can be gained by players under him as long as he leads all practices.
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 11:16     Subject: PAC tryouts
Anonymous wrote:league play is important because if a team is competitive in that league, it means that the players the kid plays with are of a level to be competitive in that league. If you take one of those players and place them on a lower level team, they will likely not have players of similar skill around them to train with (which is necessary for development). If you took the average pac team and placed them in ECNL, they would be embarrassed on a regular basis. A kid on an ECNL team that is middle of the pack would be taking a large step backwards training with that tea,


Let's be real. No ECNL kid will seriously consider PAC. PAC draws from B, C, D team players from other clubs. There may be much better options for B team players in the area, but if a kid is at C or D team at Arlington or another big club, playing on the top team at PAC might not be a bad option depending on the coach you get.
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 10:42     Subject: PAC tryouts
league play is important because if a team is competitive in that league, it means that the players the kid plays with are of a level to be competitive in that league. If you take one of those players and place them on a lower level team, they will likely not have players of similar skill around them to train with (which is necessary for development). If you took the average pac team and placed them in ECNL, they would be embarrassed on a regular basis. A kid on an ECNL team that is middle of the pack would be taking a large step backwards training with that tea,
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Post 05/20/2021 10:38     Subject: Re:PAC tryouts
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Anonymous wrote:DP. would you say it is a club to start with and then move on to more competitive teams after a few years or can players on A & B teams from nearby big clubs come to PAC and still develop?


Both. More the former. Plenty of B team players from Arlington or McLean or Vienna might play top team at pac and get better training.


Why do you assume that PAC offers better training than B teams from Arlington, McLean or Vienna? I know that B teams from the first two clubs usually beat PAC's top teams. Not sure about Vienna's B team, but as a club they do pretty good job, particularly on the girls side.


You really don’t understand development. It is about how much you improve over a few years, not whether one team is better than the other at any given point in time. My kid was at pac and plays at a different club that beats the top teams other areas clubs, so yes, I have seen how these clubs are doing with the same kids over a period of time.


small clubs have problems with development, especially if they either have B teams or are no cut. Players on a B team on a small club will be playing and training with kids who are just shy of A to players who may be new to the game. This is even worse if there is just an A team with no cuts because you may have so very good players and some marginal players. It's hard to have drills that are appropriate and helpful to all of the players. Meanwhile Arlington can group players across 4 or 5 levels so that kids are playing with and training with like skilled players.





I use to think this. And you can also make the case that it is more enjoyable to play on teams where kids are all a similar level. But in my experience, my kid improved a lot more at PAC than at McLean.

I don't think this is an every day practice, but PAC coaches will pull out kids from different teams and age groups to go up or even down in training. There are ways around the issue.


was your kid one of the better players? The rest are being pushed by playing with the better players, but what about the better players? My kid is at another small club but is on a team where everyone is at around the same level, so you can see them getting better


As a parent considering PAC this is exactly what I am asking as well. Coming from bigger club that was a strong team will my DC be left out of the development if the focus is catching the other players up to speed


Absolutely not. But be honest if your child coming from a bigger stronger club doesn't mean as an individual player they are that much ahead of most any other player. If they were a dominant player on the bigger club maybe you should be looking to move even bigger platform. I will be honest if the Pac coaches see your player would be better suited for a higher level they will recommend it and help you find a team and placement if you ask.


Yep, if you kid is Arlington Academy/Red and dominating, there isn't anything that PAC can do for them. If they are Alrington Blue, then PAC may be a better experience than Alrington


It all comes down to how hard your kid really wants to work to get better. No matter the level team your on PAC coaches will be there to help your kid develop. Are they gonna turn your kid into Messi ? No, but the harder your kid works the harder Pac will push them. It starts with your kid PAC is there the help facilitate their development and they won't get overlooked whether they are the best player or the worst player. If your kids shows they want it PAC we be there for them.


If a kid is performing well on Arlington Academy, there is nothing PAC can do for them because PAC doesn't play in leagues good enough to push them, the same is true for a boy on Alexandria's MLSNext team or a girl on a McLean ECNL or a FCV GA team. Even prior to that level, if a kid is playing on a team in EDP1, what level of competition can PAC offer that will help them develop? [/quot
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I think league play is important but not as important as training. winning doesn't measure
If you took the best player on Arlingtons to team and put him on Arlingtons lowest team he would stand out fore sure but not enough to carry the team to the league title.
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 10:31     Subject: Re:PAC tryouts
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Anonymous wrote:DP. would you say it is a club to start with and then move on to more competitive teams after a few years or can players on A & B teams from nearby big clubs come to PAC and still develop?


Both. More the former. Plenty of B team players from Arlington or McLean or Vienna might play top team at pac and get better training.


Why do you assume that PAC offers better training than B teams from Arlington, McLean or Vienna? I know that B teams from the first two clubs usually beat PAC's top teams. Not sure about Vienna's B team, but as a club they do pretty good job, particularly on the girls side.


You really don’t understand development. It is about how much you improve over a few years, not whether one team is better than the other at any given point in time. My kid was at pac and plays at a different club that beats the top teams other areas clubs, so yes, I have seen how these clubs are doing with the same kids over a period of time.


small clubs have problems with development, especially if they either have B teams or are no cut. Players on a B team on a small club will be playing and training with kids who are just shy of A to players who may be new to the game. This is even worse if there is just an A team with no cuts because you may have so very good players and some marginal players. It's hard to have drills that are appropriate and helpful to all of the players. Meanwhile Arlington can group players across 4 or 5 levels so that kids are playing with and training with like skilled players.


I use to think this. And you can also make the case that it is more enjoyable to play on teams where kids are all a similar level. But in my experience, my kid improved a lot more at PAC than at McLean.

I don't think this is an every day practice, but PAC coaches will pull out kids from different teams and age groups to go up or even down in training. There are ways around the issue.


was your kid one of the better players? The rest are being pushed by playing with the better players, but what about the better players? My kid is at another small club but is on a team where everyone is at around the same level, so you can see them getting better


As a parent considering PAC this is exactly what I am asking as well. Coming from bigger club that was a strong team will my DC be left out of the development if the focus is catching the other players up to speed


Absolutely not. But be honest if your child coming from a bigger stronger club doesn't mean as an individual player they are that much ahead of most any other player. If they were a dominant player on the bigger club maybe you should be looking to move even bigger platform. I will be honest if the Pac coaches see your player would be better suited for a higher level they will recommend it and help you find a team and placement if you ask.


Yep, if you kid is Arlington Academy/Red and dominating, there isn't anything that PAC can do for them. If they are Alrington Blue, then PAC may be a better experience than Alrington


It all comes down to how hard your kid really wants to work to get better. No matter the level team your on PAC coaches will be there to help your kid develop. Are they gonna turn your kid into Messi ? No, but the harder your kid works the harder Pac will push them. It starts with your kid PAC is there the help facilitate their development and they won't get overlooked whether they are the best player or the worst player. If your kids shows they want it PAC we be there for them.


If a kid is performing well on Arlington Academy, there is nothing PAC can do for them because PAC doesn't play in leagues good enough to push them, the same is true for a boy on Alexandria's MLSNext team or a girl on a McLean ECNL or a FCV GA team. Even prior to that level, if a kid is playing on a team in EDP1, what level of competition can PAC offer that will help them develop?
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 10:28     Subject: PAC tryouts
Our kid was thinking about PAC because of many of the good things that have been mentioned on this thread. It has a great reputation for development. However because of confusion about teams the timing of tryouts/offers (several weeks of joining trainings for tryouts, and after other clubs have given offer deadlines), we decided not to proceed.

DC initially went to a tryout to find out there's no team for their birth year and they would play with kids from other birth years. The coach said the roster was currently full but maybe they could make an extra team or add a younger team if there were enough kids. It was just too many unknowns to roll the dice.
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 10:24     Subject: Re:PAC tryouts
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Anonymous wrote:DP. would you say it is a club to start with and then move on to more competitive teams after a few years or can players on A & B teams from nearby big clubs come to PAC and still develop?


Both. More the former. Plenty of B team players from Arlington or McLean or Vienna might play top team at pac and get better training.


Why do you assume that PAC offers better training than B teams from Arlington, McLean or Vienna? I know that B teams from the first two clubs usually beat PAC's top teams. Not sure about Vienna's B team, but as a club they do pretty good job, particularly on the girls side.


You really don’t understand development. It is about how much you improve over a few years, not whether one team is better than the other at any given point in time. My kid was at pac and plays at a different club that beats the top teams other areas clubs, so yes, I have seen how these clubs are doing with the same kids over a period of time.


small clubs have problems with development, especially if they either have B teams or are no cut. Players on a B team on a small club will be playing and training with kids who are just shy of A to players who may be new to the game. This is even worse if there is just an A team with no cuts because you may have so very good players and some marginal players. It's hard to have drills that are appropriate and helpful to all of the players. Meanwhile Arlington can group players across 4 or 5 levels so that kids are playing with and training with like skilled players.


I use to think this. And you can also make the case that it is more enjoyable to play on teams where kids are all a similar level. But in my experience, my kid improved a lot more at PAC than at McLean.

I don't think this is an every day practice, but PAC coaches will pull out kids from different teams and age groups to go up or even down in training. There are ways around the issue.


was your kid one of the better players? The rest are being pushed by playing with the better players, but what about the better players? My kid is at another small club but is on a team where everyone is at around the same level, so you can see them getting better


As a parent considering PAC this is exactly what I am asking as well. Coming from bigger club that was a strong team will my DC be left out of the development if the focus is catching the other players up to speed


Absolutely not. But be honest if your child coming from a bigger stronger club doesn't mean as an individual player they are that much ahead of most any other player. If they were a dominant player on the bigger club maybe you should be looking to move even bigger platform. I will be honest if the Pac coaches see your player would be better suited for a higher level they will recommend it and help you find a team and placement if you ask.


Yep, if you kid is Arlington Academy/Red and dominating, there isn't anything that PAC can do for them. If they are Alrington Blue, then PAC may be a better experience than Alrington


It all comes down to how hard your kid really wants to work to get better. No matter the level team your on PAC coaches will be there to help your kid develop. Are they gonna turn your kid into Messi ? No, but the harder your kid works the harder Pac will push them. It starts with your kid PAC is there the help facilitate their development and they won't get overlooked whether they are the best player or the worst player. If your kids shows they want it PAC we be there for them.


+1 PAC parent here and have been extremely happy with the club for many years.
Anonymous
Post 05/20/2021 10:18     Subject: Re:PAC tryouts
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Anonymous wrote:DP. would you say it is a club to start with and then move on to more competitive teams after a few years or can players on A & B teams from nearby big clubs come to PAC and still develop?


Both. More the former. Plenty of B team players from Arlington or McLean or Vienna might play top team at pac and get better training.


Why do you assume that PAC offers better training than B teams from Arlington, McLean or Vienna? I know that B teams from the first two clubs usually beat PAC's top teams. Not sure about Vienna's B team, but as a club they do pretty good job, particularly on the girls side.


You really don’t understand development. It is about how much you improve over a few years, not whether one team is better than the other at any given point in time. My kid was at pac and plays at a different club that beats the top teams other areas clubs, so yes, I have seen how these clubs are doing with the same kids over a period of time.


small clubs have problems with development, especially if they either have B teams or are no cut. Players on a B team on a small club will be playing and training with kids who are just shy of A to players who may be new to the game. This is even worse if there is just an A team with no cuts because you may have so very good players and some marginal players. It's hard to have drills that are appropriate and helpful to all of the players. Meanwhile Arlington can group players across 4 or 5 levels so that kids are playing with and training with like skilled players.


I use to think this. And you can also make the case that it is more enjoyable to play on teams where kids are all a similar level. But in my experience, my kid improved a lot more at PAC than at McLean.

I don't think this is an every day practice, but PAC coaches will pull out kids from different teams and age groups to go up or even down in training. There are ways around the issue.


was your kid one of the better players? The rest are being pushed by playing with the better players, but what about the better players? My kid is at another small club but is on a team where everyone is at around the same level, so you can see them getting better


As a parent considering PAC this is exactly what I am asking as well. Coming from bigger club that was a strong team will my DC be left out of the development if the focus is catching the other players up to speed


Absolutely not. But be honest if your child coming from a bigger stronger club doesn't mean as an individual player they are that much ahead of most any other player. If they were a dominant player on the bigger club maybe you should be looking to move even bigger platform. I will be honest if the Pac coaches see your player would be better suited for a higher level they will recommend it and help you find a team and placement if you ask.


Yep, if you kid is Arlington Academy/Red and dominating, there isn't anything that PAC can do for them. If they are Alrington Blue, then PAC may be a better experience than Alrington


It all comes down to how hard your kid really wants to work to get better. No matter the level team your on PAC coaches will be there to help your kid develop. Are they gonna turn your kid into Messi ? No, but the harder your kid works the harder Pac will push them. It starts with your kid PAC is there the help facilitate their development and they won't get overlooked whether they are the best player or the worst player. If your kids shows they want it PAC we be there for them.