Anonymous
Post 07/28/2021 17:08     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
Anonymous wrote:I was mid-30's with premature ovarian failure and couldn't make blasts. 5 day 3's is not unreasonable after multiple failed transfers. Poor quality eggs on day 3 have very low odds of success, and even reputable RE's will put in more than 3 when your odds of success over all transfers from a cycle is still under 10%.


I know of many in this situation. They did not end up with multiples.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2021 14:54     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
I was mid-30's with premature ovarian failure and couldn't make blasts. 5 day 3's is not unreasonable after multiple failed transfers. Poor quality eggs on day 3 have very low odds of success, and even reputable RE's will put in more than 3 when your odds of success over all transfers from a cycle is still under 10%.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2021 01:57     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Whoooooa. There is no way I would do that. Can you transfer 3 and then do an FET the next month with another 3 if it doesn’t work? You can often do them back to back. That is so much safer and greatly lowers your chances of potentially have sextuplets or more.


The doctor believes I’ll be lucky if any of them take.


I was in a similar situation years ago at SGF at age 41. Transferred all, none took. I’d been concerned I might have multiples, ha!


Yes, that’s always a risk—that none of them work. Implanting 6 means you also take the risk that they ALL stick. You have no choice in the former but you do in the later. Why put yourself in that position?


Beta is on Friday. I’ll report back but I think this cycle is a bust. I don’t feel anything other than what can be attributed to the progesterone I’m taking.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 23:20     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
Anonymous wrote:I think the people who are horrified are the "easy cases" or the cases that worked (even after a few failed transfers) as opposed to those of us with many transfers and no sucesses. I have doctors (even those highly recommended by this board) recommend putting in a higher numbers of embryos. It honestly depends on your prognosis and your history. I would ask your doctor. Especially if you don't get any blasts, it may be worth putting in more. I've done that and still had failures.


Exactly but they don’t get it. Some of us have to transfer multiple embryos just to get ONE baby.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 23:19     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the people who are horrified are the "easy cases" or the cases that worked (even after a few failed transfers) as opposed to those of us with many transfers and no sucesses. I have doctors (even those highly recommended by this board) recommend putting in a higher numbers of embryos. It honestly depends on your prognosis and your history. I would ask your doctor. Especially if you don't get any blasts, it may be worth putting in more. I've done that and still had failures.


OP said they’d be blasts. So much different transferring, say, a half dozen seven day embryos versus a half dozen two day embryos. I don’t know why she wouldn’t transfer two at a time, knowing that even brings a risk of multiples. But if OP is willing to get pregnant with potentially 6-12 babies she should go for it!


She actually said that she doesn't make that many blasts and the reason they are untested is that they are day 3 embryos.


Good reading skills.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 23:18     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the people who are horrified are the "easy cases" or the cases that worked (even after a few failed transfers) as opposed to those of us with many transfers and no sucesses. I have doctors (even those highly recommended by this board) recommend putting in a higher numbers of embryos. It honestly depends on your prognosis and your history. I would ask your doctor. Especially if you don't get any blasts, it may be worth putting in more. I've done that and still had failures.


OP said they’d be blasts. So much different transferring, say, a half dozen seven day embryos versus a half dozen two day embryos. I don’t know why she wouldn’t transfer two at a time, knowing that even brings a risk of multiples. But if OP is willing to get pregnant with potentially 6-12 babies she should go for it!


Nope. They’re three day frozens. I don’t know any doctor that will put back more than two BLASTS.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 16:29     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
I think most of you have never been over 40 with awful egg quality. There are different guidelines for day 3 transfers. Some of us don't make blasts - we just can't. I know someone that transferred 4 last month (4, day 3 embryos) at 44 and had a chemical. That's it.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 13:47     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
I would hightail it to a different clinic if they want to transfer so many embryos regardless of testing/grade/day. It is hugely irresponsible. I pray OP has success with one and not a zillion babies!
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 12:30     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I think the people who are horrified are the "easy cases" or the cases that worked (even after a few failed transfers) as opposed to those of us with many transfers and no sucesses. I have doctors (even those highly recommended by this board) recommend putting in a higher numbers of embryos. It honestly depends on your prognosis and your history. I would ask your doctor. Especially if you don't get any blasts, it may be worth putting in more. I've done that and still had failures.


OP said they’d be blasts. So much different transferring, say, a half dozen seven day embryos versus a half dozen two day embryos. I don’t know why she wouldn’t transfer two at a time, knowing that even brings a risk of multiples. But if OP is willing to get pregnant with potentially 6-12 babies she should go for it!


She actually said that she doesn't make that many blasts and the reason they are untested is that they are day 3 embryos.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 11:29     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
Anonymous wrote:I think the people who are horrified are the "easy cases" or the cases that worked (even after a few failed transfers) as opposed to those of us with many transfers and no sucesses. I have doctors (even those highly recommended by this board) recommend putting in a higher numbers of embryos. It honestly depends on your prognosis and your history. I would ask your doctor. Especially if you don't get any blasts, it may be worth putting in more. I've done that and still had failures.


OP said they’d be blasts. So much different transferring, say, a half dozen seven day embryos versus a half dozen two day embryos. I don’t know why she wouldn’t transfer two at a time, knowing that even brings a risk of multiples. But if OP is willing to get pregnant with potentially 6-12 babies she should go for it!
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 05:08     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
I think the people who are horrified are the "easy cases" or the cases that worked (even after a few failed transfers) as opposed to those of us with many transfers and no sucesses. I have doctors (even those highly recommended by this board) recommend putting in a higher numbers of embryos. It honestly depends on your prognosis and your history. I would ask your doctor. Especially if you don't get any blasts, it may be worth putting in more. I've done that and still had failures.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 02:45     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
I really really hope you are joking, but sadly I don’t think you are. There is no way you should proceed with that type of transfer, and I would also seriously consider changing clinics. His or her suggestion is five times what the typical standard of protocol suggests. Do you want to wind up with ovarian torsion, lose all of your embryos, and your ovaries so you never have a chance of doing another cycle? Yikes.
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 00:16     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
Anonymous wrote:My manager had seven put back and just as many in other transfers. She eventually ended up with a healthy baby after 11 ivf cycles. They put that many in certain women that they know the changes of multiples is very low based on a bunch of different factors. This is common with old women


She was 45
Anonymous
Post 07/13/2021 00:15     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
My manager had seven put back and just as many in other transfers. She eventually ended up with a healthy baby after 11 ivf cycles. They put that many in certain women that they know the changes of multiples is very low based on a bunch of different factors. This is common with old women
Anonymous
Post 07/12/2021 13:40     Subject: 40+ and untested embryos
DO NOT PUT IN MORE THAN TWO. I can't believe any doctor would allow that.

On your question, I had my only IVF cycle at 41. Produced a bunch of embryos. The first two were transferred untested and resulted in a healthy DD. We froze and tested the rest. But the first transfer was untested and the doctor was quite emphatic with me that she would not transfer more than two, and even that was a stretch.