Anonymous
Post 05/17/2021 13:03     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oooh I've got one. This applies most for parents with younger kids. When your kid's team is hosting tryouts that occur during regular team practices, don't stand on the sidelines at the practice venue talking smack about the kids trying out. Odds are, their parents are right next to you. Witnessed this last week (wasn't about my kid) and am regretting not saying something.


Yes. What you do is watch with another parent. When there is a break in play and nothing really happened you say “wow! Did you see that? The coaches all saw that!” The other parent with you will say something like..”oh yeah, that is definitely what the coaches are looking for..”


This is PP - LOL that's a good approach. What I saw last week was one current team parent saying derisively to another, "that girl in blue obviously can't keep up." As it happens, I had seen Girl in Blue arrive at the field with the parent standing directly to the left of them, clearly within earshot.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2021 12:56     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Anonymous wrote:Oooh I've got one. This applies most for parents with younger kids. When your kid's team is hosting tryouts that occur during regular team practices, don't stand on the sidelines at the practice venue talking smack about the kids trying out. Odds are, their parents are right next to you. Witnessed this last week (wasn't about my kid) and am regretting not saying something.


Yes. What you do is watch with another parent. When there is a break in play and nothing really happened you say “wow! Did you see that? The coaches all saw that!” The other parent with you will say something like..”oh yeah, that is definitely what the coaches are looking for..”
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2021 12:48     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Oooh I've got one. This applies most for parents with younger kids. When your kid's team is hosting tryouts that occur during regular team practices, don't stand on the sidelines at the practice venue talking smack about the kids trying out. Odds are, their parents are right next to you. Witnessed this last week (wasn't about my kid) and am regretting not saying something.
Anonymous
Post 05/17/2021 11:24     Subject: Re:Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Perspective is important, for both adults and kids. It's an inappropriate practice, and normal that a kid would feel down, and I agree that you should complain to your club, but it is not "torture." If the club won't change, your kid is not obligatged to do to the game, and you are not oblgiated to pay them more money.


Perspective is important, for both adults and kids. You definitely don't need to go to the games. AND You aren’t obligated to pay them more money, because they already have it all. All payments are usually finished by mid season.


This.


I meant not sign up with them and pay for another year. I know full well when payments are due.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2021 23:07     Subject: Re:Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Anonymous wrote:


Perspective is important, for both adults and kids. It's an inappropriate practice, and normal that a kid would feel down, and I agree that you should complain to your club, but it is not "torture." If the club won't change, your kid is not obligatged to do to the game, and you are not oblgiated to pay them more money.


Perspective is important, for both adults and kids. You definitely don't need to go to the games. AND You aren’t obligated to pay them more money, because they already have it all. All payments are usually finished by mid season.


This.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2021 23:04     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Proposed rules (this is theory, just starting a conversation):

1) USYS and US Club tell all member leagues that each season is new. Season is from mid-Aug to early July, inclusive of playoffs/state cups, etc. Season broken into three segments: fall, spring, playoffs/state cups (which can run in parallel with or post-league season)

2) No formal offers or promises to be offered a spot for the current season can be made to any player (existing or new) until Aug 1. This also includes no deposits / payments until after formal offer on Aug 1 or later.

3) Teams found in violation will be relegated down one division for first offense, and banned for one year for second violation, along with coach. Clubs with multiple teams w/ multiple violations, lose right to participate in any member leagues for 2 years.

4) No league or association restrictions on players practicing / going to camps with other teams. I.e. the associations and leagues are about games/competition, not practices. How and when teams/clubs go about identifying and selecting players is their business, but no actual offers, pressuring to commit, and/or demanding of monies can be made until Aug 1.

5) Player transfers. Allowed at mid-season (Dec/Jan) only with no restrictions. Transferring player may have to forfeit obliged payments as promised to current club. During fall or spring, not allowed. Post season competition, not allowed (no stacking the teams) unless moving up from lower team to higher team with same club and younger to older w/n same club.

6) Non-league tournaments. Up to tournament organizer how they'd like to restrict guest players (or not). No league or association interference.


How absurd. Players should be allowed to move, and clubs to offer spots, whenever they want. That maximizes the benefit to the players. Any rules restricting this are rules designed to help clubs (and the poorer the club, the more help it is getting) by limiting competition. Imagine if we replace clubs in your economically-illiterate screed with internet providers, or supermarkets. "Oh no sir - you're a Giant customer right now. Yes Sir, I realize that Giant has started sellling rotten fruit, but even so you can only switch to Harris Teeter between August 1st and Agust 15th, and today is August 16th."


I don't know that we need a ton of rules, but it is absolutely valid to consider requiring tryouts to start at a later time. Starting in April is ridiculous and disrupts most of the spring season. If we're trying to do what's best for the kids here (which I'm sure you have in mind at the top of your list!), this mad rush to grab players earlier and earlier every season ain't it.


No world is perfect. But in general the more rules you make, the less perfect it is. And this rush is a consequence of the existing rules which prevent kids from switching easily during the year. Clubs want to lock kkids up early. But if they couldn't lock them up at all, then there would be no rush to grab the best ones.


Actually, this is less rules than there are now. Read it again then compare it to the existing rules for your leagues and associations. The main difference is that this benefits parents and players by not having year long commitments too early. Now, to the person that compared this to supermarkets, you’re not very literate or knowledgeable yourself. The more analogous comparison is to your cable or wireless provider. The year long contract you’re asked to sign with penalties for switching early .... Anyhow, this actually reduces the commitment to 4 months only if you read closely, which is much less than it is today for most travel teams. Not sure the “Giant Foods” poster has much experience with how things really work, nor realizes that buying cereal is different than paying thousands for coaching, leagues, etc.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2021 14:03     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Didnt some tryouts/ID sessions formally begin in Dec/Jan of this season?

Perhaps the roster size and financial incentives would make it easier to provide a tenable solution.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2021 13:15     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Proposed rules (this is theory, just starting a conversation):

1) USYS and US Club tell all member leagues that each season is new. Season is from mid-Aug to early July, inclusive of playoffs/state cups, etc. Season broken into three segments: fall, spring, playoffs/state cups (which can run in parallel with or post-league season)

2) No formal offers or promises to be offered a spot for the current season can be made to any player (existing or new) until Aug 1. This also includes no deposits / payments until after formal offer on Aug 1 or later.

3) Teams found in violation will be relegated down one division for first offense, and banned for one year for second violation, along with coach. Clubs with multiple teams w/ multiple violations, lose right to participate in any member leagues for 2 years.

4) No league or association restrictions on players practicing / going to camps with other teams. I.e. the associations and leagues are about games/competition, not practices. How and when teams/clubs go about identifying and selecting players is their business, but no actual offers, pressuring to commit, and/or demanding of monies can be made until Aug 1.

5) Player transfers. Allowed at mid-season (Dec/Jan) only with no restrictions. Transferring player may have to forfeit obliged payments as promised to current club. During fall or spring, not allowed. Post season competition, not allowed (no stacking the teams) unless moving up from lower team to higher team with same club and younger to older w/n same club.

6) Non-league tournaments. Up to tournament organizer how they'd like to restrict guest players (or not). No league or association interference.


How absurd. Players should be allowed to move, and clubs to offer spots, whenever they want. That maximizes the benefit to the players. Any rules restricting this are rules designed to help clubs (and the poorer the club, the more help it is getting) by limiting competition. Imagine if we replace clubs in your economically-illiterate screed with internet providers, or supermarkets. "Oh no sir - you're a Giant customer right now. Yes Sir, I realize that Giant has started sellling rotten fruit, but even so you can only switch to Harris Teeter between August 1st and Agust 15th, and today is August 16th."


I don't know that we need a ton of rules, but it is absolutely valid to consider requiring tryouts to start at a later time. Starting in April is ridiculous and disrupts most of the spring season. If we're trying to do what's best for the kids here (which I'm sure you have in mind at the top of your list!), this mad rush to grab players earlier and earlier every season ain't it.


I see it get earlier each year. Our first born started travel 9 years ago. It is also challenging for kids to deal with weeknight tryouts/attending practices at other clubs while keeping a commitment to their current team. I don’t like that now it starts in early April for some teams. The stress and uncertainty it adds to current players colors spring season too.

I would welcome a set date, after Memorial Day or no earlier than the week prior.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2021 13:04     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Anonymous wrote:Obviously tryouts are in full swing. Can we start a post highlighting proper etiquette.

I can start:
Nobody needs a long email about why a team no longer suits your child and why they are deciding to move on to another club. Don’t be a disruptive, distracting douchebag and send an email out to an entire team when the season is still going on.
Perhaps better etiquette is to send a short email once the season wraps saying “thank you, best of luck to all, good bye.”

Anyone else have any good tryout etiquette tips to share?


I don't have a problem with this. Two of our players just disappeared. I'd rather have an email from the parent. Two years ago, DD's team had 2-3 families that left and the parents talked to everyone about it in person and their reasoning. They were actually helpful conversations because we paid attention to those weaknesses in the club.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2021 11:49     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Allowing players to move mid season would not be without its problems. Imagine your player is on a team, then mid-year a bunch of players up and leave for another team, making your kid’s team unable to field enough players and end up forfeiting the rest of the season.
And if players could move during the season, wouldn’t that mean players could be cut during the season? If not cut outright, it could happen in practice if a bunch of players that left that team suddenly shows up on yours, blowing up the roster size and supplanting all the playing time of many players who joined a team under different circumstances.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2021 11:39     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Proposed rules (this is theory, just starting a conversation):

1) USYS and US Club tell all member leagues that each season is new. Season is from mid-Aug to early July, inclusive of playoffs/state cups, etc. Season broken into three segments: fall, spring, playoffs/state cups (which can run in parallel with or post-league season)

2) No formal offers or promises to be offered a spot for the current season can be made to any player (existing or new) until Aug 1. This also includes no deposits / payments until after formal offer on Aug 1 or later.

3) Teams found in violation will be relegated down one division for first offense, and banned for one year for second violation, along with coach. Clubs with multiple teams w/ multiple violations, lose right to participate in any member leagues for 2 years.

4) No league or association restrictions on players practicing / going to camps with other teams. I.e. the associations and leagues are about games/competition, not practices. How and when teams/clubs go about identifying and selecting players is their business, but no actual offers, pressuring to commit, and/or demanding of monies can be made until Aug 1.

5) Player transfers. Allowed at mid-season (Dec/Jan) only with no restrictions. Transferring player may have to forfeit obliged payments as promised to current club. During fall or spring, not allowed. Post season competition, not allowed (no stacking the teams) unless moving up from lower team to higher team with same club and younger to older w/n same club.

6) Non-league tournaments. Up to tournament organizer how they'd like to restrict guest players (or not). No league or association interference.


How absurd. Players should be allowed to move, and clubs to offer spots, whenever they want. That maximizes the benefit to the players. Any rules restricting this are rules designed to help clubs (and the poorer the club, the more help it is getting) by limiting competition. Imagine if we replace clubs in your economically-illiterate screed with internet providers, or supermarkets. "Oh no sir - you're a Giant customer right now. Yes Sir, I realize that Giant has started sellling rotten fruit, but even so you can only switch to Harris Teeter between August 1st and Agust 15th, and today is August 16th."


I don't know that we need a ton of rules, but it is absolutely valid to consider requiring tryouts to start at a later time. Starting in April is ridiculous and disrupts most of the spring season. If we're trying to do what's best for the kids here (which I'm sure you have in mind at the top of your list!), this mad rush to grab players earlier and earlier every season ain't it.


No world is perfect. But in general the more rules you make, the less perfect it is. And this rush is a consequence of the existing rules which prevent kids from switching easily during the year. Clubs want to lock kkids up early. But if they couldn't lock them up at all, then there would be no rush to grab the best ones.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2021 11:32     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Proposed rules (this is theory, just starting a conversation):

1) USYS and US Club tell all member leagues that each season is new. Season is from mid-Aug to early July, inclusive of playoffs/state cups, etc. Season broken into three segments: fall, spring, playoffs/state cups (which can run in parallel with or post-league season)

2) No formal offers or promises to be offered a spot for the current season can be made to any player (existing or new) until Aug 1. This also includes no deposits / payments until after formal offer on Aug 1 or later.

3) Teams found in violation will be relegated down one division for first offense, and banned for one year for second violation, along with coach. Clubs with multiple teams w/ multiple violations, lose right to participate in any member leagues for 2 years.

4) No league or association restrictions on players practicing / going to camps with other teams. I.e. the associations and leagues are about games/competition, not practices. How and when teams/clubs go about identifying and selecting players is their business, but no actual offers, pressuring to commit, and/or demanding of monies can be made until Aug 1.

5) Player transfers. Allowed at mid-season (Dec/Jan) only with no restrictions. Transferring player may have to forfeit obliged payments as promised to current club. During fall or spring, not allowed. Post season competition, not allowed (no stacking the teams) unless moving up from lower team to higher team with same club and younger to older w/n same club.

6) Non-league tournaments. Up to tournament organizer how they'd like to restrict guest players (or not). No league or association interference.


How absurd. Players should be allowed to move, and clubs to offer spots, whenever they want. That maximizes the benefit to the players. Any rules restricting this are rules designed to help clubs (and the poorer the club, the more help it is getting) by limiting competition. Imagine if we replace clubs in your economically-illiterate screed with internet providers, or supermarkets. "Oh no sir - you're a Giant customer right now. Yes Sir, I realize that Giant has started sellling rotten fruit, but even so you can only switch to Harris Teeter between August 1st and Agust 15th, and today is August 16th."


I don't know that we need a ton of rules, but it is absolutely valid to consider requiring tryouts to start at a later time. Starting in April is ridiculous and disrupts most of the spring season. If we're trying to do what's best for the kids here (which I'm sure you have in mind at the top of your list!), this mad rush to grab players earlier and earlier every season ain't it.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2021 11:29     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Anonymous wrote:Proposed rules (this is theory, just starting a conversation):

1) USYS and US Club tell all member leagues that each season is new. Season is from mid-Aug to early July, inclusive of playoffs/state cups, etc. Season broken into three segments: fall, spring, playoffs/state cups (which can run in parallel with or post-league season)

2) No formal offers or promises to be offered a spot for the current season can be made to any player (existing or new) until Aug 1. This also includes no deposits / payments until after formal offer on Aug 1 or later.

3) Teams found in violation will be relegated down one division for first offense, and banned for one year for second violation, along with coach. Clubs with multiple teams w/ multiple violations, lose right to participate in any member leagues for 2 years.

4) No league or association restrictions on players practicing / going to camps with other teams. I.e. the associations and leagues are about games/competition, not practices. How and when teams/clubs go about identifying and selecting players is their business, but no actual offers, pressuring to commit, and/or demanding of monies can be made until Aug 1.

5) Player transfers. Allowed at mid-season (Dec/Jan) only with no restrictions. Transferring player may have to forfeit obliged payments as promised to current club. During fall or spring, not allowed. Post season competition, not allowed (no stacking the teams) unless moving up from lower team to higher team with same club and younger to older w/n same club.

6) Non-league tournaments. Up to tournament organizer how they'd like to restrict guest players (or not). No league or association interference.


How absurd. Players should be allowed to move, and clubs to offer spots, whenever they want. That maximizes the benefit to the players. Any rules restricting this are rules designed to help clubs (and the poorer the club, the more help it is getting) by limiting competition. Imagine if we replace clubs in your economically-illiterate screed with internet providers, or supermarkets. "Oh no sir - you're a Giant customer right now. Yes Sir, I realize that Giant has started sellling rotten fruit, but even so you can only switch to Harris Teeter between August 1st and Agust 15th, and today is August 16th."
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2021 10:10     Subject: Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team
Proposed rules (this is theory, just starting a conversation):

1) USYS and US Club tell all member leagues that each season is new. Season is from mid-Aug to early July, inclusive of playoffs/state cups, etc. Season broken into three segments: fall, spring, playoffs/state cups (which can run in parallel with or post-league season)

2) No formal offers or promises to be offered a spot for the current season can be made to any player (existing or new) until Aug 1. This also includes no deposits / payments until after formal offer on Aug 1 or later.

3) Teams found in violation will be relegated down one division for first offense, and banned for one year for second violation, along with coach. Clubs with multiple teams w/ multiple violations, lose right to participate in any member leagues for 2 years.

4) No league or association restrictions on players practicing / going to camps with other teams. I.e. the associations and leagues are about games/competition, not practices. How and when teams/clubs go about identifying and selecting players is their business, but no actual offers, pressuring to commit, and/or demanding of monies can be made until Aug 1.

5) Player transfers. Allowed at mid-season (Dec/Jan) only with no restrictions. Transferring player may have to forfeit obliged payments as promised to current club. During fall or spring, not allowed. Post season competition, not allowed (no stacking the teams) unless moving up from lower team to higher team with same club and younger to older w/n same club.

6) Non-league tournaments. Up to tournament organizer how they'd like to restrict guest players (or not). No league or association interference.
Anonymous
Post 05/16/2021 09:48     Subject: Re:Tryout etiquette tips - 1. don’t be a distraction to current team


Perspective is important, for both adults and kids. It's an inappropriate practice, and normal that a kid would feel down, and I agree that you should complain to your club, but it is not "torture." If the club won't change, your kid is not obligatged to do to the game, and you are not oblgiated to pay them more money.


Perspective is important, for both adults and kids. You definitely don't need to go to the games. AND You aren’t obligated to pay them more money, because they already have it all. All payments are usually finished by mid season.