OP here. We did not accept or decline the offer from current top level club. As a result, we've been able to practice 4 other clubs and received 4 offers on the spot for top team placement, including one offer to play up a year on top team. This is a case of a club getting greedy. Had we been allowed the freedom to look about a week and decide, there is a decent chance he would have remained with current club. But, the pressure tactics gave our kid unnecessary stress that he had to decide and that forced him to say, "Just let me go somewhere else then." Note to club admins...if you're the best product, let kids see the grass and determine if it's greener. You're selling a soccer experience - not a used car.

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And note we never get given a 48 hour deadline to respond either - although there is some nudging after a couple of weeks.

A couple of weeks? I think we are talking about 2 severely different levels of competitive soccer.

I don't think so. I think it's club/coach philosophy dependent. The example I am talking about is at the highest level. And I have seen the hard sell pressure tactics used at every level right down to the lowest team at other clubs.

And note we never get given a 48 hour deadline to respond either - although there is some nudging after a couple of weeks.

A couple of weeks? I think we are talking about 2 severely different levels of competitive soccer.

Anonymous wrote:Thats a terrible way to treat your current rosters.

I actually think it's a great way - everyone gets treated the same. The alternative is to create a pecking order where some kids get told earlier than others that they have a spot, while other kids wait, knowing full well that their spot is dependent on whether some other kid from outside accepts an offer. This pecking order is not healthy for the kids or the team.

They have no idea about for their team and/or role because of the carp communication throughout the previous season. Others see them at other clubs ID because fomo and now no one knows what anyone is thinking.

My DS' club has good communication so this is not a issue.

I know coaches and clubs stunned by departures because they poorly communicated vision or just plain old bad vision and opportunities were lost because of it. Especially as kids go through growing and development stages.

Sure - but those are badly run teams or clubs by definition. If you run your club badly in other respects then you likely try and lock up your top players as quickly as possible because
- otherwise they would leave
- you put the club before the kids and therefore a good kid leaving is always a bad thing since it is bad for the club, even if the kid is leaving for a better opportunity.

In contrast my DS' club is happy to let kids try out elsewhere and let kids leave who don't want to be there. It even helps the best kids leave for better opportunities. And note we never get given a 48 hour deadline to respond either - although there is some nudging after a couple of weeks.

Anonymous wrote:^^^Which club does offers this way? I haven’t heard of any. Even if they do, they certainly do verbal offers first to their top players currently rostered.

No - my DS' club does not do verbal offers first to top players currently rostered, although I agree most clubs do. I only bothered to describe it because I was very impressed with the process. I think it may warn players who are definitely going to be cut no matter what, although I am not certain about that - it was just a conclusion I came to based on my reading of events in the past.

Thats a terrible way to treat your current rosters. They have no idea about for their team and/or role because of the carp communication throughout the previous season. Others see them at other clubs ID because fomo and now no one knows what anyone is thinking.

I know coaches and clubs stunned by departures because they poorly communicated vision or just plain old bad vision and opportunities were lost because of it. Especially as kids go through growing and development stages.

So i know the above is exaggerating for some of the mid to top players, but what about the 5-7 who can be easily replaced in the mid and lower ranks of the roster. 2 way street so you’d best get out there and show what you have to offer off.

^^^Which club does offers this way? I haven’t heard of any. Even if they do, they certainly do verbal offers first to their top players currently rostered.

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Anonymous wrote:Also people have been given offers from ID sessions but remember that is a HUGE deal because clubs have not yet invited their current rosters

What? I don’t think that’s true at all. Current rosters? for what level?

How clubs do this depends on the club. The best process I have seen is the one described here where the club makes all external offers first and waits for answers. Then, when it knows exactly which external players have accepted it makes its internal offers. That way no kid on the roster goes through the situation of not getting an offer when the rest of their teammates get one, only to get one later when an external candidate turns the offer down - thus discovering for certain that they are the worst kid on the roster .

Anonymous wrote:Also people have been given offers from ID sessions but remember that is a HUGE deal because clubs have not yet invited their current rosters

What? I don’t think that’s true at all. Current rosters? for what level?

Anonymous wrote:They fill the top team, then 2nd, 3rd, etc. Once you accept they can move onto the next spot or if you decline the everyone moves up a spot. I think they should give everyone a day or 2, but clubs need to roster quickly. You, the player are fighting for a spot, but the clubs are fighting for players.

Yes, but the reality is that most kids aren’t trying out for the best team. They are trying out for one of the random club’s many travel teams.

Also people have been given offers from ID sessions but remember that is a HUGE deal because clubs have not yet invited their current rosters

I’ll say it so the people in the upper seats hear and quote the coach

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Coach here. Dirty little secret; you have more power than you realize. The condensed time is essentially a sales tactic; create urgency. Yes, rosters need to be filled but you are the customer. When it says "48 hours", it's not like it's a law. Take the time to find the right place for your kid, any real coach just wants players to play. We want the players, but most of all we want players playing.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, there are some clubs with early try-outs. We had wanted to go to more tryouts but now only have 48 hrs to respond. I'm not sure if that is set in stone or what. Doesn't give much time for thought. If reading the above is true, we could potentially ask for an extension, though not sure if that's really the case.

Asked for extension. Denied. Don't want to make exceptions. Likely losing two top players because of such a stance.

When did you hear back? Today? Man, this try-out season is fierce. I wasn't anticipating the 48 hr window after 1st day of tryout.

Sounds like a high level team?
For lower teams they are most flexible because it's just about getting fees.

It is a high level team. One that has won regional tournaments in the top brackets. Still, kids with skills should not have their options limited.

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Coach here. Dirty little secret; you have more power than you realize. The condensed time is essentially a sales tactic; create urgency. Yes, rosters need to be filled but you are the customer. When it says "48 hours", it's not like it's a law. Take the time to find the right place for your kid, any real coach just wants players to play. We want the players, but most of all we want players playing.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, there are some clubs with early try-outs. We had wanted to go to more tryouts but now only have 48 hrs to respond. I'm not sure if that is set in stone or what. Doesn't give much time for thought. If reading the above is true, we could potentially ask for an extension, though not sure if that's really the case.

Asked for extension. Denied. Don't want to make exceptions. Likely losing two top players because of such a stance.

When did you hear back? Today? Man, this try-out season is fierce. I wasn't anticipating the 48 hr window after 1st day of tryout.

Sounds like a high level team?
For lower teams they are most flexible because it's just about getting fees.

It is a high level team. One that has won regional tournaments in the top brackets. Still, kids with skills should not have their options limited.

Yes, everyone else should wait a week for your snowflake to make up her mind. Irl, most people have their choices ranked in advance and this isn’t an issue.

I am not going to use that term. But I agree. I hire a number of people, and if they take more than a day to say yes, I know I have made a mistake. As have they.

Well what if try-outs for team #2 have not even occurred yet? Then you have nothing to weigh.

You should contact team #2 and see if they can do an eval in 24 hours.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, there are some clubs with early try-outs. We had wanted to go to more tryouts but now only have 48 hrs to respond. I'm not sure if that is set in stone or what. Doesn't give much time for thought. If reading the above is true, we could potentially ask for an extension, though not sure if that's really the case.

Asked for extension. Denied. Don't want to make exceptions. Likely losing two top players because of such a stance.

When did you hear back? Today? Man, this try-out season is fierce. I wasn't anticipating the 48 hr window after 1st day of tryout.

Sounds like a high level team?
For lower teams they are most flexible because it's just about getting fees.

It is a high level team. One that has won regional tournaments in the top brackets. Still, kids with skills should not have their options limited.

Yes, everyone else should wait a week for your snowflake to make up her mind. Irl, most people have their choices ranked in advance and this isn’t an issue.

I am not going to use that term. But I agree. I hire a number of people, and if they take more than a day to say yes, I know I have made a mistake. As have they.

Well what if try-outs for team #2 have not even occurred yet? Then you have nothing to weigh.

You weigh a possibility against a certainty, and you better damned well have a preference already. Of course you have something to weigh. The question is do you have confidence and do you know what you want.