Anonymous
05/01/2021 08:12
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the vitriol over the non vaxxers.
My husband and I are vaccinated along with our parents. I really don’t care if my neighbor gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if my coworker gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if any of the people working on my team get vaccinated or not.
What I like them to be vaccinated? Yes. But it’s really none of my business.
Enforcement of any vax rules to go to the movies or put to eat will be impossible.
The problem is that if your neighbors and coworkers don't get vaccinated, it's going to be really hard for the country to get to herd immunity. And we need them to get vaccinated in order to protect kids, immunocompromised people and people who are physically unable to get the vaccines (not anti vaxxers). So we should all care.
+1. Also the more people infected increases the chances that more virulent or deadly strains will develop. Some of those may not be covered by the vaccine. So the rest of us will keep needing updated boaters or risk getting sick from the new strains. We are not isolated from others' choices.
And that is justification for measures that control spread while we are still in the midst of all this, and while other parts of the world literally have people dying in the streets.
But the paranoid persecution fantasies that sometimes get posted here? That's addressing some internal mental health issue, not reality. The point is to control spread, not to punish people. I get that it may feel like punishment, but -- pandemic. Make your choices and live (hopefully) with them.
Anonymous
05/01/2021 08:09
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the vitriol over the non vaxxers.
My husband and I are vaccinated along with our parents. I really don’t care if my neighbor gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if my coworker gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if any of the people working on my team get vaccinated or not.
What I like them to be vaccinated? Yes. But it’s really none of my business.
Enforcement of any vax rules to go to the movies or put to eat will be impossible.
The problem is that if your neighbors and coworkers don't get vaccinated, it's going to be really hard for the country to get to herd immunity. And we need them to get vaccinated in order to protect kids, immunocompromised people and people who are physically unable to get the vaccines (not anti vaxxers). So we should all care.
+1. Also the more people infected increases the chances that more virulent or deadly strains will develop. Some of those may not be covered by the vaccine. So the rest of us will keep needing updated boaters or risk getting sick from the new strains. We are not isolated from others' choices.
Anonymous
05/01/2021 08:06
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:I don’t get the vitriol over the non vaxxers.
My husband and I are vaccinated along with our parents. I really don’t care if my neighbor gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if my coworker gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if any of the people working on my team get vaccinated or not.
What I like them to be vaccinated? Yes. But it’s really none of my business.
Enforcement of any vax rules to go to the movies or put to eat will be impossible.
The problem is that if your neighbors and coworkers don't get vaccinated, it's going to be really hard for the country to get to herd immunity. And we need them to get vaccinated in order to protect kids, immunocompromised people and people who are physically unable to get the vaccines (not anti vaxxers). So we should all care.
Anonymous
05/01/2021 07:41
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If colleges are going to be able to discriminate against people for their medical history, then that is opening a whole big can of worms (and a lot of lawsuits).
And there will just be a new group of colleges created for conservatives that don't want the government to be able to force them to inject things into their bodies.
And those colleges might just choose to exclude other groups like ADHD, autism, behavioral disorders based on medical histories.
I don't think the country wants to head in this direction.
Sure.
Anonymous
05/01/2021 07:18
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:How about setting up safety nets and fair compensation for anyone injured, rather than shaming/censoring them for sharing info?
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/08/24/580098.htm
A U.S. government program that compensates people who say they have been harmed by an emergency vaccine has paid out on fewer than 10% of claims, raising questions whether the process should be used to address any potential side effects from a coronavirus shot, according to some lawyers who have filed such claims.
The Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP), run by an agency under the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), has been designated to handle any issues with a COVID-19 vaccine.
When it comes to addressing any potential harm from a COVID-19 vaccine, “there are major deficiencies that need to change” in the U.S. approach, said Peter Meyers, an emeritus professor at George Washington University School of Law and former director of the Vaccine Injury Litigation Clinic.
Meyers described the CICP as a “black hole” process handled entirely within HHS, rather than a court, without fees for attorneys or expert witnesses, a short one-year window to file claims and limited participation by the claimant.
HHS declined comment on criticisms of using CICP to process potential COVID-19 claims.
People who suffer serious injuries from an emergency vaccine in the United States are required to first seek compensation through the CICP, and then, if they decline any award, they can bring a case in court. However, they have to prove a drugmaker acted with “willful misconduct,” which lawyers said would make a case nearly impossible.
The 10% figure has nothing to do with the COVID vaccine as the article is from August of 2020... months before the EUAs.
Two totally different issues. The issue your talking about is something that would need a subtle legislative fix. The discussion here is about choices private businesses can make in the name of safety. Maybe some government entities but those theories are pretty far fetched at the moment with the exclusion of state colleges.
Further, I don't have insider knowledge of the CICP, but dealing with the anti Vax community, I can say there are a lot of people who blame vaccine injuries for things that have no scientific basis. So maybe CICP should pay more than 10% but likely most of the claims are BS.
Anonymous
05/01/2021 07:15
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
I don’t get the vitriol over the non vaxxers.
My husband and I are vaccinated along with our parents. I really don’t care if my neighbor gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if my coworker gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if any of the people working on my team get vaccinated or not.
What I like them to be vaccinated? Yes. But it’s really none of my business.
Enforcement of any vax rules to go to the movies or put to eat will be impossible.
My husband and I are vaccinated along with our parents. I really don’t care if my neighbor gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if my coworker gets vaccinated or not. I don’t care if any of the people working on my team get vaccinated or not.
What I like them to be vaccinated? Yes. But it’s really none of my business.
Enforcement of any vax rules to go to the movies or put to eat will be impossible.
Anonymous
05/01/2021 07:14
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
They likely will not be restricted here. When it comes to travel overseas they might be restricted by the rules that country imposes.
I had to get a yellow fever shot prior to traveling to Tanzania. When I immigrated here I had to do an x-ray that showed I had to TB.
So each country will have their own rules, and some won't have any.
Once we have a medication for covid (I understand Pfizer has a promising one developing) it will take a few years and it is likely that some countries will impose rules even after that.
As they did with TB.
I had to get a yellow fever shot prior to traveling to Tanzania. When I immigrated here I had to do an x-ray that showed I had to TB.
So each country will have their own rules, and some won't have any.
Once we have a medication for covid (I understand Pfizer has a promising one developing) it will take a few years and it is likely that some countries will impose rules even after that.
As they did with TB.
Anonymous
05/01/2021 07:04
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
at a minimum i think child protective services should get involved if they have kids. they should not be able to force their kids to be exposed to their disease and rhetoric and we need to get those kids out of the household. the kids would then be able to be given the shots as well.
Anonymous
05/01/2021 07:01
Subject: Re:How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
How about setting up safety nets and fair compensation for anyone injured, rather than shaming/censoring them for sharing info?
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/08/24/580098.htm
A U.S. government program that compensates people who say they have been harmed by an emergency vaccine has paid out on fewer than 10% of claims, raising questions whether the process should be used to address any potential side effects from a coronavirus shot, according to some lawyers who have filed such claims.
The Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP), run by an agency under the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), has been designated to handle any issues with a COVID-19 vaccine.
When it comes to addressing any potential harm from a COVID-19 vaccine, “there are major deficiencies that need to change” in the U.S. approach, said Peter Meyers, an emeritus professor at George Washington University School of Law and former director of the Vaccine Injury Litigation Clinic.
Meyers described the CICP as a “black hole” process handled entirely within HHS, rather than a court, without fees for attorneys or expert witnesses, a short one-year window to file claims and limited participation by the claimant.
HHS declined comment on criticisms of using CICP to process potential COVID-19 claims.
People who suffer serious injuries from an emergency vaccine in the United States are required to first seek compensation through the CICP, and then, if they decline any award, they can bring a case in court. However, they have to prove a drugmaker acted with “willful misconduct,” which lawyers said would make a case nearly impossible.
https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/08/24/580098.htm
A U.S. government program that compensates people who say they have been harmed by an emergency vaccine has paid out on fewer than 10% of claims, raising questions whether the process should be used to address any potential side effects from a coronavirus shot, according to some lawyers who have filed such claims.
The Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP), run by an agency under the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), has been designated to handle any issues with a COVID-19 vaccine.
When it comes to addressing any potential harm from a COVID-19 vaccine, “there are major deficiencies that need to change” in the U.S. approach, said Peter Meyers, an emeritus professor at George Washington University School of Law and former director of the Vaccine Injury Litigation Clinic.
Meyers described the CICP as a “black hole” process handled entirely within HHS, rather than a court, without fees for attorneys or expert witnesses, a short one-year window to file claims and limited participation by the claimant.
HHS declined comment on criticisms of using CICP to process potential COVID-19 claims.
People who suffer serious injuries from an emergency vaccine in the United States are required to first seek compensation through the CICP, and then, if they decline any award, they can bring a case in court. However, they have to prove a drugmaker acted with “willful misconduct,” which lawyers said would make a case nearly impossible.
Anonymous
05/01/2021 00:04
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If colleges are going to be able to discriminate against people for their medical history, then that is opening a whole big can of worms (and a lot of lawsuits).
Yes it’s not like there’s any legal precedent for requiring vaccinations in schools. Wait...
Idiot.
There are exemptions. And do you think every illegal child is vaccinated before school entry? Nope.
Ha! Why would the top colleges settle for unvaccinated kids?
My DH went to Columbia as a grad student at 40, and he had to find offiical immunization records and get sone shots he was missing before they let him into the program.
Anonymous
05/01/2021 00:03
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
DP. Hold tight to that thought. May it bring you comfort in these trying times, as you continue to make the same unproductive choices.
Anonymous
04/30/2021 23:59
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If colleges are going to be able to discriminate against people for their medical history, then that is opening a whole big can of worms (and a lot of lawsuits).
Yes it’s not like there’s any legal precedent for requiring vaccinations in schools. Wait...
Idiot.
There are exemptions. And do you think every illegal child is vaccinated before school entry? Nope.
Anonymous
04/30/2021 23:05
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:
I'm waiting for Novavax, and if they delay its authorization, I'll take one of the mRNA vaccines. Until then, I can hunker down, especially as I have tweens who cannot be vaccinated. We're not going anywhere, and we're not seeing anyone in person just yet.
When is Nova expected to be approved? Or when will we know if delayed?
Anonymous
04/30/2021 22:30
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If colleges are going to be able to discriminate against people for their medical history, then that is opening a whole big can of worms (and a lot of lawsuits).
That's not discriminating just on the grounds of a medical history; it's discriminating on grounds of a public health emergency.
With 70%+ of people choosing to get their vaccinations by choice and/or having had the real virus, there is no public health emergency.
Stop being ridiculous.
You've faced many challenges in understanding medical and scientific information, haven't you? Bless you for continuing to try, lil slugger.
Anonymous
04/30/2021 22:29
Subject: How will anti-vaxxers lives be limited?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If colleges are going to be able to discriminate against people for their medical history, then that is opening a whole big can of worms (and a lot of lawsuits).
And there will just be a new group of colleges created for conservatives that don't want the government to be able to force them to inject things into their bodies.
And those colleges might just choose to exclude other groups like ADHD, autism, behavioral disorders based on medical histories.
I don't think the country wants to head in this direction.
The, um, non-contagious ones?
Oh, if only there were some way to separate these categories from that of a contagious pandemic which is rapidly evolving to elicit significant morbidity and mortality in younger people, spread by breathing the air.
If only, if only I say -- if only there were some clear difference between that and ADHD. Alas.