Anonymous
04/20/2021 15:43
Subject: Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:OP, I was just thinking that this morning.
Seems like people should take into account the trickle down of good students. As the number of applicants to top schools has increased while the number of spots has remained constant, kids that in the past would have gotten into Ivies are now going one tier down. The second tier kids are now going third tier and on and on. There are plenty of smart kids at all of the top 100 schools so we need to rethink how we perceive certain schools.
Something that I remember hearing back when I was touring colleges - schools that are in good locations attract good professors. So even if you may think Northeastern isn't so great, Boston can attract good profs.
Agreed. For national universities, maybe something like this: tier 1 = top 10; tier 2 = 11-25ish. That said, placed in the context of 4000 colleges, anyone attending one of these colleges is attending an elite institution. The notion that smart kids are only at Ivies is nonsense.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 14:27
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Who is this poster who keeps insisting the Vanderbilt isn't the internationally known research university that it has been at least since the time when I attended in the 1980s?
Better tell my freshman year roommate who travelled thousands of miles to attend. Better inform all the researchers and scholars who are keeping the university in the news on the regular.
If Vanderbilt is currently listed 15th on a ranking of national universities, not much more needs to be said. Yes, it was 23 on that same list when I graduated. That was 23 out of thousands of colleges. Good luck with your child's application. You're going to need it.
Better tell my freshman year roommate who travelled thousands of miles to attend. Better inform all the researchers and scholars who are keeping the university in the news on the regular.
If Vanderbilt is currently listed 15th on a ranking of national universities, not much more needs to be said. Yes, it was 23 on that same list when I graduated. That was 23 out of thousands of colleges. Good luck with your child's application. You're going to need it.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 14:12
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:mAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.
I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.
But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.
Perhaps, you have your own definition of a regional school. USNEWS, as one ranking organization example, has a separate list for regional schools. 34% of Cornell’s class comes from NY. Does that make it a regional school?
Well, Cornell isn't better than Vandy for starters.
Ha! Maybe in your opinion.
DP, but most people would consider Cornell > Vanderbilt.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 14:08
Subject: Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Vanderbilt was always a national university in USNWR rankings. Wake Forest was at one time ranked as regional.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 14:05
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
mAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.
I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.
But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.
Perhaps, you have your own definition of a regional school. USNEWS, as one ranking organization example, has a separate list for regional schools. 34% of Cornell’s class comes from NY. Does that make it a regional school?
Well, Cornell isn't better than Vandy for starters.
Ha! Maybe in your opinion.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 13:44
Subject: Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Rice is not a regional school
Anonymous
04/20/2021 13:32
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.
I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.
But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.
Perhaps, you have your own definition of a regional school. USNEWS, as one ranking organization example, has a separate list for regional schools. 34% of Cornell’s class comes from NY. Does that make it a regional school?
No one considers USNews to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
USNews considers regional schools to be schools that only provide masters as the highest degree, that’s a completely irrelevant metric on what is and isn’t a regional school.
Schools like Case Western and Colorado School of Mines are both top and well known schools in their region. But neither have great national let alone international reach. Similar with Rice, Southern Methodist, etc. that’s what makes them regional schools.
Of course, top once-regional schools do gain prominence and become nationally and internationally recognized. One example is Duke, another is Stanford, and perhaps Boston University most recently. Perhaps USC and NYU as well (although the former primarily due to scandals and sports)
I think you're confusing "international" and national universities. What does an international research "reach" have to do with being a national university?
Anonymous
04/20/2021 13:20
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one considers USNews to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
Actually, this is demonstrably untrue, and lots of people believe USNews to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
I will tell you who no one thinks is the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
You.
Well you would be wrong. US News arbitration of what is and isn’t a regional school is idiotic.
That's not the claim of yours that I disputed. You said "No one considers USNews to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school".
That has been proved false.
Now, are you sure you want to continue discussing what is "idiotic"?
Anonymous
04/20/2021 13:17
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.
I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.
But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.
Perhaps, you have your own definition of a regional school. USNEWS, as one ranking organization example, has a separate list for regional schools. 34% of Cornell’s class comes from NY. Does that make it a regional school?
No one considers USNews to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
USNews considers regional schools to be schools that only provide masters as the highest degree, that’s a completely irrelevant metric on what is and isn’t a regional school.
Schools like Case Western and Colorado School of Mines are both top and well known schools in their region. But neither have great national let alone international reach. Similar with Rice, Southern Methodist, etc. that’s what makes them regional schools.
Of course, top once-regional schools do gain prominence and become nationally and internationally recognized. One example is Duke, another is Stanford, and perhaps Boston University most recently. Perhaps USC and NYU as well (although the former primarily due to scandals and sports)
I think you're confusing "international" and national universities. What does an international research "reach" have to do with being a national university?
Anonymous
04/20/2021 13:08
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.
I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.
But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.
Perhaps, you have your own definition of a regional school. USNEWS, as one ranking organization example, has a separate list for regional schools. 34% of Cornell’s class comes from NY. Does that make it a regional school?
No, because Cornell has international reach and reputation. Vandy doesn’t.
You are hopeless.
First, Cornell is only an example of what was mentioned earlier - that even Ivies and other great schools pull strongly from their regions. However, that fact does not make Cornell a "regional" school. Second, you don't seem to have a definition for a regional school, whereas ranking organizations do. Vanderbilt and other schools like it are never on the regional school lists. Finally, Vanderbilt doesn't have an international reach. In fact, Vanderbilt has the same percentage of undergrads from other countries as many other schools. As for the Vandy/Cornell comparison - which doesn't need to be belabored - the percentage is the same:11%. As for international research, Cornell probably has a larger reach, but that's because it's a much larger school and more heavily focused on the sciences - apples and oranges comparison. I'm sure there are many large publics that beat Cornell in research dollars, but again, that's due to size and focus.
Clearly, you are grasping at straws.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 13:08
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No one considers USNews to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
Actually, this is demonstrably untrue, and lots of people believe USNews to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
I will tell you who no one thinks is the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
You.
Well you would be wrong. US News arbitration of what is and isn’t a regional school is idiotic.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 13:04
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:No one considers USNews to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
Actually, this is demonstrably untrue, and lots of people believe USNews to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
I will tell you who no one thinks is the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
You.
Anonymous
04/20/2021 13:01
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.
I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.
But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.
Perhaps, you have your own definition of a regional school. USNEWS, as one ranking organization example, has a separate list for regional schools. 34% of Cornell’s class comes from NY. Does that make it a regional school?
No one considers USNews to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t a regional school.
USNews considers regional schools to be schools that only provide masters as the highest degree, that’s a completely irrelevant metric on what is and isn’t a regional school.
Schools like Case Western and Colorado School of Mines are both top and well known schools in their region. But neither have great national let alone international reach. Similar with Rice, Southern Methodist, etc. that’s what makes them regional schools.
Of course, top once-regional schools do gain prominence and become nationally and internationally recognized. One example is Duke, another is Stanford, and perhaps Boston University most recently. Perhaps USC and NYU as well (although the former primarily due to scandals and sports)
Anonymous
04/20/2021 12:57
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.
I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.
But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.
Perhaps, you have your own definition of a regional school. USNEWS, as one ranking organization example, has a separate list for regional schools. 34% of Cornell’s class comes from NY. Does that make it a regional school?
Well, Cornell isn't better than Vandy for starters.
Kinda avoided the question. Please try again. On the other hand, you obviously have a bias that is independent of the facts. Maybe you should rest your pen (or keyboard).
Anonymous
04/20/2021 12:56
Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.
I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.
But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.
Perhaps, you have your own definition of a regional school. USNEWS, as one ranking organization example, has a separate list for regional schools. 34% of Cornell’s class comes from NY. Does that make it a regional school?
No, because Cornell has international reach and reputation. Vandy doesn’t.