Top 5%-10% would not get in today ( not counting Class of 2025 and COVID) ?

Each generation it gets significantly harder and harder. My father went to Harvard, starting in 1933. Over 100 students from his high school class ( 103 exactly, I recall) at Boston Latin School were accepted that April. If one received a certain mark on the entrance exam, and respectable ( not top) grades, then one was likely to be accepted.

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I attended hs in the 1980s in NJ - students at my HS with SAT scores in the 1300s were consisrently admitted to Columbia
back then. It was definitely considered an easier ivy to gain admittance (ditto Cornell).

Hey doofus, back in the 80s, 1300s were excellent SAT scores. Not as good as mine however.
You petty navel-gazers assessing differences between these schools yet saying non-Ivies suck are truly pathetic.

Ah, I obviously know what kind of scores 1300s were since I was a student then. They were good but not amazing and you didn’t get in to most ivies with a 1350 absent a hook.

I know PLENTY OF PEOPLE ( middle and upper-middle-class well-rounded students from the suburbs) who got into the Ivy colleges with 1300's, including Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth.

I know we are off point, but where did you grow up? This was not my experience growing up same time in Westchester County. Granted, those kids were getting into the Duke/Northwestern level colleges, which would never happen today.

Massachusetts. Grades needed to behigh, strong recs, but mid-600's were OK. I saw the patterns, if top 5%-10% in class.

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I attended hs in the 1980s in NJ - students at my HS with SAT scores in the 1300s were consisrently admitted to Columbia
back then. It was definitely considered an easier ivy to gain admittance (ditto Cornell).

Hey doofus, back in the 80s, 1300s were excellent SAT scores. Not as good as mine however.
You petty navel-gazers assessing differences between these schools yet saying non-Ivies suck are truly pathetic.

Ah, I obviously know what kind of scores 1300s were since I was a student then. They were good but not amazing and you didn’t get in to most ivies with a 1350 absent a hook.

I know PLENTY OF PEOPLE ( middle and upper-middle-class well-rounded students from the suburbs) who got into the Ivy colleges with 1300's, including Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth.

I know we are off point, but where did you grow up? This was not my experience growing up same time in Westchester County. Granted, those kids were getting into the Duke/Northwestern level colleges, which would never happen today.

'Penn is fine. I just feel that there are better places out there for the money and for the opportunities in education: intellectual and cultural.'

This statement seems very accurate.

Anonymous wrote:Trump connection drags it down, amiright?

The Penn community doesn't exactly embrace Donald Trump. And any potential stain by Trump is offset by the hip factor of Elon Musk being a much more recent grad in the eyes of students and recent grads .

Anonymous wrote:Uh, always? Above all but Harvard Yale Princeton for as long as I can r
emember.

Above all except Harvard and Yale ? Sure - if you turn the order upside down !

To get in is good enough. No need to exaggerate and window dress a mannequin.

Anonymous wrote:Feel like it wasn't too long ago when it was considered bottom of the totem pole among the Ivies...

Fabulous school ever since Mr. Franklin founded the place.

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I attended hs in the 1980s in NJ - students at my HS with SAT scores in the 1300s were consisrently admitted to Columbia
back then. It was definitely considered an easier ivy to gain admittance (ditto Cornell).

Hey doofus, back in the 80s, 1300s were excellent SAT scores. Not as good as mine however.
You petty navel-gazers assessing differences between these schools yet saying non-Ivies suck are truly pathetic.

Ah, I obviously know what kind of scores 1300s were since I was a student then. They were good but not amazing and you didn’t get in to most ivies with a 1350 absent a hook.

I know PLENTY OF PEOPLE ( middle and upper-middle-class well-rounded students from the suburbs) who got into the Ivy colleges with 1300's, including Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth.

Go Quakers!!

Look, getting into any of these is excellent and an achievement.

But is the sticker price worth it ? That is a big if.

The most important thing is affordability and the student's effort once in college. What a student does in his/her studies is far, far more important than which college one attends.

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. I remember Penn back in the 80s did not have the cachet it enjoys today.

This is true (1990 graduate.) But that was only relative to the other Ivies. And even then it was always considered top-notch for many graduate programs, like the med school, vet school, and some social sciences, in addition to Wharton. Somewhere in the past 20yrs, it went through a major upgrade in terms of reputation and selectivity for undergrad admissions.

Exactly. I remember Penn back in the 80s did not have the cachet it enjoys today.

'You graduated high school in 1972 and you are posting on DCUM? Giggling in my coffee right now. I feel old on here and I was born in 1970!'

It sounds like you are giggling into your own naivete. A 15 or 16 years difference in age goes very, very quickly , Pal. Enjoy and hold on to what you have. Time ( like power) is like trying to cup water in your hand, and runs through too quickly.

The OP. said 'and later decades' about his observations. Sounds astute. Try to learn from him/her instead of 'giggling'.

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I attended hs in the 1980s in NJ - students at my HS with SAT scores in the 1300s were consisrently admitted to Columbia
back then. It was definitely considered an easier ivy to gain admittance (ditto Cornell).

Hey doofus, back in the 80s, 1300s were excellent SAT scores. Not as good as mine however.
You petty navel-gazers assessing differences between these schools yet saying non-Ivies suck are truly pathetic.

Ah, I obviously know what kind of scores 1300s were since I was a student then. They were good but not amazing and you didn’t get in to most ivies with a 1350 absent a hook.

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Anonymous wrote:I always thought Cornell was at the bottom.

Cornell only became associated with being at the bottom of the Ivy League with the rise of USNWR. Cornell gets dinged in that ranking for any number of reasons, but for a very long while it was considered solidly middle of the pack. Used to be considered very similarly to how Stanford is seen nowadays.

I question the PP who suggested Columbia used to be less prestigious than Penn. Certainly not the case; has always been considered right behind HYP.

Maybe Cornell suffered from the changes at IBM.

What changes at IBM?