Anonymous
Post 04/19/2021 10:02     Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Wishing there was a box to check for “yes, my student will attend once vaccinated.” DC will be 14 with respiratory issues.


Do you keep your child out of school during flu season? Both my pediatrician and my pulmonologist strongly encouraged us to send our severely asthmatic child to in person school. Children’s did a study showing that asthmatic children with covid did fine, no difference based on asthma


not the PP, but there's a vaccine for the flu plus doctors know how to treat it. Totally different scenario.


for kids- its really not. The flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective (contrast to the well over 90% effective COVID vaccines). The flu sets off kids with asthma, covid doesn't it. I'm not sure what the 'doctor's know how to treat it' means. I mean the flu is a virus, there are things they can do (like they do with COVID) but it basically has to run its course. My asthmatic flu vaccinated kids had the flu a few years ago- and it was a miserable time for us, in and out of hospital etc. I am vastly vastly less concerned about COVID. This wasn't true at the beginning of the pandemic, but we have learned so much.

Here is my 'unpopular opinion.' We need to stop deferring to parents judgement- so many people who claim to have 'high risk' kids- the condition the kids have is extreme parental anxiety. ALL kids need to be back in school. Special tailored accomodations need to be provided for those children who have a doctors note saying they should not attend in person school- and individual appropriate plans worked out for them. But this 'opting for virtual' is garbage.


This is insane. The issue is not parental anxiety. There is literally a list of high risk conditions from the CDC. People just don't "claim" to be high risk. You may not like it but it IS a real thing. The Covid denial is out of control.


Here is what cdc says. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

It’s fairly tentative for children. Parental anxiety is driving this.


PP the link you provided had a link to a page with info for children and teens. Did you miss that? It lists a whole lot of medical conditions.

"Children with underlying medical conditions are at increased risk for severe illness compared to children without underlying medical conditions. Current evidence on which underlying medical conditions in children are associated with increased risk is limited. Current evidence suggests that children with medical complexity, with genetic, neurologic, metabolic conditions, or with congenital heart disease can be at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19. Similar to adults, children with obesity, diabetes, asthma or chronic lung disease, sickle cell disease, or immunosuppression can also be at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19." https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html#ChildrenAndTeens
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2021 08:56     Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:If your kid has a medical condition, please discuss pros and cons with their doctors and make an informed choice. For nearly everyone else, in person is the way to go.

+1. The only exception might be a kid with a parent who has no immune system and who can't be vaccinated, e.g., a parent in cancer treatment, and even then it would depend on how the kid is doing in DL.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2021 08:37     Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wishing there was a box to check for “yes, my student will attend once vaccinated.” DC will be 14 with respiratory issues.


Do you keep your child out of school during flu season? Both my pediatrician and my pulmonologist strongly encouraged us to send our severely asthmatic child to in person school. Children’s did a study showing that asthmatic children with covid did fine, no difference based on asthma


not the PP, but there's a vaccine for the flu plus doctors know how to treat it. Totally different scenario.


for kids- its really not. The flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective (contrast to the well over 90% effective COVID vaccines). The flu sets off kids with asthma, covid doesn't it. I'm not sure what the 'doctor's know how to treat it' means. I mean the flu is a virus, there are things they can do (like they do with COVID) but it basically has to run its course. My asthmatic flu vaccinated kids had the flu a few years ago- and it was a miserable time for us, in and out of hospital etc. I am vastly vastly less concerned about COVID. This wasn't true at the beginning of the pandemic, but we have learned so much.

Here is my 'unpopular opinion.' We need to stop deferring to parents judgement- so many people who claim to have 'high risk' kids- the condition the kids have is extreme parental anxiety. ALL kids need to be back in school. Special tailored accomodations need to be provided for those children who have a doctors note saying they should not attend in person school- and individual appropriate plans worked out for them. But this 'opting for virtual' is garbage.


This is insane. The issue is not parental anxiety. There is literally a list of high risk conditions from the CDC. People just don't "claim" to be high risk. You may not like it but it IS a real thing. The Covid denial is out of control.


Here is what cdc says. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

It’s fairly tentative for children. Parental anxiety is driving this.


Yes! This area is a neurotic bubble, and it is driving people away. You may think that's fine, but, I wonder how your child will feel and fare in the coming years when they are socially and educationally still recovering the deficits from this lost year while their peers in private locally and public nationally and globally have carried on and suffered minimal losses.

Americans are obsessed with the idea of safety, and COVID has popped that bubble. The problem is you could never guarantee or manufacture safety to start with--we just think we can. So, it has turned worlds upside down, and people have become obsessed with it. Never mind that there is always the possibility of a random health issue, car accident, terrorist or domestic attack, and the next pandemic driven by a novel virus could happen who knows when.

If the Fed Gov and other HQ-ed places weren't anchoring people here, I think you would see a significant exodus from the region.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2021 08:11     Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:If your kid has a medical condition, please discuss pros and cons with their doctors and make an informed choice. For nearly everyone else, in person is the way to go.


+1
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2021 08:11     Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

If your kid has a medical condition, please discuss pros and cons with their doctors and make an informed choice. For nearly everyone else, in person is the way to go.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2021 08:03     Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wishing there was a box to check for “yes, my student will attend once vaccinated.” DC will be 14 with respiratory issues.


Do you keep your child out of school during flu season? Both my pediatrician and my pulmonologist strongly encouraged us to send our severely asthmatic child to in person school. Children’s did a study showing that asthmatic children with covid did fine, no difference based on asthma


not the PP, but there's a vaccine for the flu plus doctors know how to treat it. Totally different scenario.


for kids- its really not. The flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective (contrast to the well over 90% effective COVID vaccines). The flu sets off kids with asthma, covid doesn't it. I'm not sure what the 'doctor's know how to treat it' means. I mean the flu is a virus, there are things they can do (like they do with COVID) but it basically has to run its course. My asthmatic flu vaccinated kids had the flu a few years ago- and it was a miserable time for us, in and out of hospital etc. I am vastly vastly less concerned about COVID. This wasn't true at the beginning of the pandemic, but we have learned so much.

Here is my 'unpopular opinion.' We need to stop deferring to parents judgement- so many people who claim to have 'high risk' kids- the condition the kids have is extreme parental anxiety. ALL kids need to be back in school. Special tailored accomodations need to be provided for those children who have a doctors note saying they should not attend in person school- and individual appropriate plans worked out for them. But this 'opting for virtual' is garbage.


Good thing your opinion carries no weight whatsoever.


And neither does yours. But it's APS we'll survey you and then completely ingnore the results if they don't fit our anxiety ridden narrative.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2021 04:53     Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wishing there was a box to check for “yes, my student will attend once vaccinated.” DC will be 14 with respiratory issues.


Do you keep your child out of school during flu season? Both my pediatrician and my pulmonologist strongly encouraged us to send our severely asthmatic child to in person school. Children’s did a study showing that asthmatic children with covid did fine, no difference based on asthma


not the PP, but there's a vaccine for the flu plus doctors know how to treat it. Totally different scenario.


for kids- its really not. The flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective (contrast to the well over 90% effective COVID vaccines). The flu sets off kids with asthma, covid doesn't it. I'm not sure what the 'doctor's know how to treat it' means. I mean the flu is a virus, there are things they can do (like they do with COVID) but it basically has to run its course. My asthmatic flu vaccinated kids had the flu a few years ago- and it was a miserable time for us, in and out of hospital etc. I am vastly vastly less concerned about COVID. This wasn't true at the beginning of the pandemic, but we have learned so much.

Here is my 'unpopular opinion.' We need to stop deferring to parents judgement- so many people who claim to have 'high risk' kids- the condition the kids have is extreme parental anxiety. ALL kids need to be back in school. Special tailored accomodations need to be provided for those children who have a doctors note saying they should not attend in person school- and individual appropriate plans worked out for them. But this 'opting for virtual' is garbage.


Good thing your opinion carries no weight whatsoever.
Anonymous
Post 04/19/2021 04:48     Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wishing there was a box to check for “yes, my student will attend once vaccinated.” DC will be 14 with respiratory issues.


Do you keep your child out of school during flu season? Both my pediatrician and my pulmonologist strongly encouraged us to send our severely asthmatic child to in person school. Children’s did a study showing that asthmatic children with covid did fine, no difference based on asthma


not the PP, but there's a vaccine for the flu plus doctors know how to treat it. Totally different scenario.


for kids- its really not. The flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective (contrast to the well over 90% effective COVID vaccines). The flu sets off kids with asthma, covid doesn't it. I'm not sure what the 'doctor's know how to treat it' means. I mean the flu is a virus, there are things they can do (like they do with COVID) but it basically has to run its course. My asthmatic flu vaccinated kids had the flu a few years ago- and it was a miserable time for us, in and out of hospital etc. I am vastly vastly less concerned about COVID. This wasn't true at the beginning of the pandemic, but we have learned so much.

Here is my 'unpopular opinion.' We need to stop deferring to parents judgement- so many people who claim to have 'high risk' kids- the condition the kids have is extreme parental anxiety. ALL kids need to be back in school. Special tailored accomodations need to be provided for those children who have a doctors note saying they should not attend in person school- and individual appropriate plans worked out for them. But this 'opting for virtual' is garbage.


This is insane. The issue is not parental anxiety. There is literally a list of high risk conditions from the CDC. People just don't "claim" to be high risk. You may not like it but it IS a real thing. The Covid denial is out of control.


Here is what cdc says. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/people-with-medical-conditions.html

It’s fairly tentative for children. Parental anxiety is driving this.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2021 22:51     Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wishing there was a box to check for “yes, my student will attend once vaccinated.” DC will be 14 with respiratory issues.


Do you keep your child out of school during flu season? Both my pediatrician and my pulmonologist strongly encouraged us to send our severely asthmatic child to in person school. Children’s did a study showing that asthmatic children with covid did fine, no difference based on asthma


not the PP, but there's a vaccine for the flu plus doctors know how to treat it. Totally different scenario.


for kids- its really not. The flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective (contrast to the well over 90% effective COVID vaccines). The flu sets off kids with asthma, covid doesn't it. I'm not sure what the 'doctor's know how to treat it' means. I mean the flu is a virus, there are things they can do (like they do with COVID) but it basically has to run its course. My asthmatic flu vaccinated kids had the flu a few years ago- and it was a miserable time for us, in and out of hospital etc. I am vastly vastly less concerned about COVID. This wasn't true at the beginning of the pandemic, but we have learned so much.

Here is my 'unpopular opinion.' We need to stop deferring to parents judgement- so many people who claim to have 'high risk' kids- the condition the kids have is extreme parental anxiety. ALL kids need to be back in school. Special tailored accomodations need to be provided for those children who have a doctors note saying they should not attend in person school- and individual appropriate plans worked out for them. But this 'opting for virtual' is garbage.


This is insane. The issue is not parental anxiety. There is literally a list of high risk conditions from the CDC. People just don't "claim" to be high risk. You may not like it but it IS a real thing. The Covid denial is out of control.


This.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2021 22:38     Subject: Re:APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have had virtual since DD is asthmatc, but are opting for in-person next year, since she is constantly facing frustration with poor virtual teaching. However, our concerns are:

1) With some teachers opting for the virtual academy, there will be fewer teachers in-person, so in-person class size will be bigger. That means more crowded, with 3ft distancing vs 6ft. If schools have a problem opening windows, isn't there a higher risk of outbreak with poor ventilation, should someone be infected in class?

2) Flu season in the fall/winter months - without 6-ft distancing, and again, closed windows - would that be a double-whammy?

3) This would be the first time that APS is allowing 5-day in-person learning when the pandemic is still raging on, and children's vaccines are far from being available. While masks may lower the risk of infection, how many kids really abide mask-wearing throughout the day? I assume APS is reverting to the pre-pandemic class schedule.


1) the virtual academy will be staffed by application and interview like any school in APS determined by the school enrollment. Class size across APS will. Ot change but will adapt to the enrollment numbers.
2) I believe that until a children’s vaccine is available masking will still be required and APS is planning a model with 3ft and 0ft distancing dependent on recommendations in the fall.
3) Teachers and admin are definitely requiring and enforcing mask use. I’m an APS teacher in elementary and also a parent and I have not had any issues with my students wearing their masks nor have my own children who attend elementary, middle, and high schools reported any masking non-compliance.


Another teacher here- this is all accurate- kids need occasional reminders when their masks slide below their nose but they are so good with masks. It’s been a complete nonissue at my school.

Same at my school, any issues are from fit not compliance.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2021 22:31     Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wishing there was a box to check for “yes, my student will attend once vaccinated.” DC will be 14 with respiratory issues.


Do you keep your child out of school during flu season? Both my pediatrician and my pulmonologist strongly encouraged us to send our severely asthmatic child to in person school. Children’s did a study showing that asthmatic children with covid did fine, no difference based on asthma


not the PP, but there's a vaccine for the flu plus doctors know how to treat it. Totally different scenario.


for kids- its really not. The flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective (contrast to the well over 90% effective COVID vaccines). The flu sets off kids with asthma, covid doesn't it. I'm not sure what the 'doctor's know how to treat it' means. I mean the flu is a virus, there are things they can do (like they do with COVID) but it basically has to run its course. My asthmatic flu vaccinated kids had the flu a few years ago- and it was a miserable time for us, in and out of hospital etc. I am vastly vastly less concerned about COVID. This wasn't true at the beginning of the pandemic, but we have learned so much.

Here is my 'unpopular opinion.' We need to stop deferring to parents judgement- so many people who claim to have 'high risk' kids- the condition the kids have is extreme parental anxiety. ALL kids need to be back in school. Special tailored accomodations need to be provided for those children who have a doctors note saying they should not attend in person school- and individual appropriate plans worked out for them. But this 'opting for virtual' is garbage.


This is insane. The issue is not parental anxiety. There is literally a list of high risk conditions from the CDC. People just don't "claim" to be high risk. You may not like it but it IS a real thing. The Covid denial is out of control.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2021 20:59     Subject: Re:APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have had virtual since DD is asthmatc, but are opting for in-person next year, since she is constantly facing frustration with poor virtual teaching. However, our concerns are:

1) With some teachers opting for the virtual academy, there will be fewer teachers in-person, so in-person class size will be bigger. That means more crowded, with 3ft distancing vs 6ft. If schools have a problem opening windows, isn't there a higher risk of outbreak with poor ventilation, should someone be infected in class?

2) Flu season in the fall/winter months - without 6-ft distancing, and again, closed windows - would that be a double-whammy?

3) This would be the first time that APS is allowing 5-day in-person learning when the pandemic is still raging on, and children's vaccines are far from being available. While masks may lower the risk of infection, how many kids really abide mask-wearing throughout the day? I assume APS is reverting to the pre-pandemic class schedule.


1) the virtual academy will be staffed by application and interview like any school in APS determined by the school enrollment. Class size across APS will. Ot change but will adapt to the enrollment numbers.
2) I believe that until a children’s vaccine is available masking will still be required and APS is planning a model with 3ft and 0ft distancing dependent on recommendations in the fall.
3) Teachers and admin are definitely requiring and enforcing mask use. I’m an APS teacher in elementary and also a parent and I have not had any issues with my students wearing their masks nor have my own children who attend elementary, middle, and high schools reported any masking non-compliance.


Another teacher here- this is all accurate- kids need occasional reminders when their masks slide below their nose but they are so good with masks. It’s been a complete nonissue at my school.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2021 20:18     Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wishing there was a box to check for “yes, my student will attend once vaccinated.” DC will be 14 with respiratory issues.


Do you keep your child out of school during flu season? Both my pediatrician and my pulmonologist strongly encouraged us to send our severely asthmatic child to in person school. Children’s did a study showing that asthmatic children with covid did fine, no difference based on asthma


not the PP, but there's a vaccine for the flu plus doctors know how to treat it. Totally different scenario.


for kids- its really not. The flu vaccine is typically 40-60% effective (contrast to the well over 90% effective COVID vaccines). The flu sets off kids with asthma, covid doesn't it. I'm not sure what the 'doctor's know how to treat it' means. I mean the flu is a virus, there are things they can do (like they do with COVID) but it basically has to run its course. My asthmatic flu vaccinated kids had the flu a few years ago- and it was a miserable time for us, in and out of hospital etc. I am vastly vastly less concerned about COVID. This wasn't true at the beginning of the pandemic, but we have learned so much.

Here is my 'unpopular opinion.' We need to stop deferring to parents judgement- so many people who claim to have 'high risk' kids- the condition the kids have is extreme parental anxiety. ALL kids need to be back in school. Special tailored accomodations need to be provided for those children who have a doctors note saying they should not attend in person school- and individual appropriate plans worked out for them. But this 'opting for virtual' is garbage.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2021 12:54     Subject: Re:APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:We have had virtual since DD is asthmatc, but are opting for in-person next year, since she is constantly facing frustration with poor virtual teaching. However, our concerns are:

1) With some teachers opting for the virtual academy, there will be fewer teachers in-person, so in-person class size will be bigger. That means more crowded, with 3ft distancing vs 6ft. If schools have a problem opening windows, isn't there a higher risk of outbreak with poor ventilation, should someone be infected in class?

2) Flu season in the fall/winter months - without 6-ft distancing, and again, closed windows - would that be a double-whammy?

3) This would be the first time that APS is allowing 5-day in-person learning when the pandemic is still raging on, and children's vaccines are far from being available. While masks may lower the risk of infection, how many kids really abide mask-wearing throughout the day? I assume APS is reverting to the pre-pandemic class schedule.


1) the virtual academy will be staffed by application and interview like any school in APS determined by the school enrollment. Class size across APS will. Ot change but will adapt to the enrollment numbers.
2) I believe that until a children’s vaccine is available masking will still be required and APS is planning a model with 3ft and 0ft distancing dependent on recommendations in the fall.
3) Teachers and admin are definitely requiring and enforcing mask use. I’m an APS teacher in elementary and also a parent and I have not had any issues with my students wearing their masks nor have my own children who attend elementary, middle, and high schools reported any masking non-compliance.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2021 12:35     Subject: Re:APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22

Anonymous wrote:We have had virtual since DD is asthmatc, but are opting for in-person next year, since she is constantly facing frustration with poor virtual teaching. However, our concerns are:

1) With some teachers opting for the virtual academy, there will be fewer teachers in-person, so in-person class size will be bigger. That means more crowded, with 3ft distancing vs 6ft. If schools have a problem opening windows, isn't there a higher risk of outbreak with poor ventilation, should someone be infected in class?

2) Flu season in the fall/winter months - without 6-ft distancing, and again, closed windows - would that be a double-whammy?

3) This would be the first time that APS is allowing 5-day in-person learning when the pandemic is still raging on, and children's vaccines are far from being available. While masks may lower the risk of infection, how many kids really abide mask-wearing throughout the day? I assume APS is reverting to the pre-pandemic class schedule.


They won't change class size. That's why people need to declare now so they can plan. And that's why virtual will need to pull across schools to make full classes.