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How about start fat shaming major corporations like Coca-Cola that pump their products with toxic additive ingredients like HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP ??

Attacking the source of the problem will yield better results.

Are you a child? Do you have to be told by the government what to eat or drink. I love an occasional icy Coke. Love. At a ballgame in the summer - perfect!

I also know I can’t have them every day.

Take responsibility for being fat. Nobody is forcing you to eat chips and ice cream.

You don’t understand very much about science if you think it is easy for everyone to simply be thin. It sounds like you have a lot of self-loathing and disordered thinking about food to work through. Seek help.

Denying that one is responsible for his or her own body is pathetic. I am sorry you are fat and blame it on science. As you have been no doubt told, obesity and severe Covid are tightly linked - as are a multitude of other health issues. Best of luck.

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How about start fat shaming major corporations like Coca-Cola that pump their products with toxic additive ingredients like HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP ??

Attacking the source of the problem will yield better results.

Are you a child? Do you have to be told by the government what to eat or drink. I love an occasional icy Coke. Love. At a ballgame in the summer - perfect!

I also know I can’t have them every day.

Take responsibility for being fat. Nobody is forcing you to eat chips and ice cream.

You don’t understand very much about science if you think it is easy for everyone to simply be thin. It sounds like you have a lot of self-loathing and disordered thinking about food to work through. Seek help.

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How about start fat shaming major corporations like Coca-Cola that pump their products with toxic additive ingredients like HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP ??

Attacking the source of the problem will yield better results.

Are you a child? Do you have to be told by the government what to eat or drink. I love an occasional icy Coke. Love. At a ballgame in the summer - perfect!

I also know I can’t have them every day.

Take responsibility for being fat. Nobody is forcing you to eat chips and ice cream.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I'm not really sure what people who are pro "open back up" are all upset about.

Schools are settled for the year, so that ship has sailed.

But almost everything else but international travel is available to you: want to eat at a friend's house? Ok. Want to go bowling? Ok. Want to fly to Florida and stay in a hotel? Ok. Want to eat in a restaurant or get your hair done or see a movie? Ok. Want to enroll your child in sports and carpool and watch their games? Ok. Want to go to the gym and get a coffee after? Ok.

If you're pro open up and vaccinated, go to town. I am vaccinated and unlikely to do any of the above for a while, but no one is stopping you.

Are you afraid that if people keep extending emergencies schools will never open full time? You'll have to keep wearing a mask? You can't fly to Europe without hassle? What, specifically, do you want that you can't do now?

And NONE of that stuff should be happening. None of it. That stuff is the reason we’re still in this mess. Because people just weren’t willing to make some sacrifices for a few weeks last year. That’s how we got here. People just weren’t willing to isolate last year. And that gave us this.

Call it punishment. Call it teaching the public a lesson. Call it whatever you wish. But the people that got us here by not staying home can now deal with further delays and lockdowns. Serves all of you right. You put us here. Now you get to suffer even longer. It’s your own faults.

Unfortunately for you, no one cares what you think. We’re gradually but inexorably getting rid of restrictions in the US. And there’s nothing people like you can do about it.

OK, cool story. No one cares what you think either.

I care what the “NONE of this should be happening,” poster because vaccine deniers are a danger to us all.

Get vaccinated and vaccine deniers will not be a danger to you.

Are vaccinated? Are you still afraid?

Yes, I'm vaccinated and not afraid. The mentally imbalanced people that think we should still cower in our homes are anti-science and hindering vaccination efforts.

How about start fat shaming major corporations like Coca-Cola that pump their products with toxic additive ingredients like HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP ??

Attacking the source of the problem will yield better results.

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Because it’s both.
Since we’re not doing anything to address obesity from a social justice standpoint, at least let us who approach it with personal responsibility have some positive reward.
For some reason we have to have the worst of both worlds.
Given that covid is worse for obese people - Okay, can we have free healthcare? More healthy alternatives for low income communities? No, promote “body positivity” instead.
So we’d rather have a society that says fat is beautiful but also stay home and wear a mask because we’re all so vulnerable and high risk and obese, or DO something about it, and meanwhile allow those who worked hard to NOT be obese enjoy the benefits of a healthy life.

Like what? Telling people to lose weight is not effective. Fat-shaming is not effective. Characterizing fat people as lazy is not effective. Announcing that fat people are ugly is not effective. Discriminating against fat people is not effective and is also illegal. What's your idea? Do you think fat people will lose weight if government requires fat people to stay home and wear a mask but allows non-fat people to go out and lead a regular life?

If fashion magazines and beauty supply companies started running ads with people smoking it would be seen as irresponsible, correct? Smoking is more addictive than overeating yet we as a society have no ethical issues shaming smokers, curtailing the glamorization of smoking in entertainment and ads, etc. Why do we view obesity differently? It kills countless people a year and is easier to address than the far more addictive habit of smoking.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I'm not really sure what people who are pro "open back up" are all upset about.

Schools are settled for the year, so that ship has sailed.

But almost everything else but international travel is available to you: want to eat at a friend's house? Ok. Want to go bowling? Ok. Want to fly to Florida and stay in a hotel? Ok. Want to eat in a restaurant or get your hair done or see a movie? Ok. Want to enroll your child in sports and carpool and watch their games? Ok. Want to go to the gym and get a coffee after? Ok.

If you're pro open up and vaccinated, go to town. I am vaccinated and unlikely to do any of the above for a while, but no one is stopping you.

Are you afraid that if people keep extending emergencies schools will never open full time? You'll have to keep wearing a mask? You can't fly to Europe without hassle? What, specifically, do you want that you can't do now?

And NONE of that stuff should be happening. None of it. That stuff is the reason we’re still in this mess. Because people just weren’t willing to make some sacrifices for a few weeks last year. That’s how we got here. People just weren’t willing to isolate last year. And that gave us this.

Call it punishment. Call it teaching the public a lesson. Call it whatever you wish. But the people that got us here by not staying home can now deal with further delays and lockdowns. Serves all of you right. You put us here. Now you get to suffer even longer. It’s your own faults.

Unfortunately for you, no one cares what you think. We’re gradually but inexorably getting rid of restrictions in the US. And there’s nothing people like you can do about it.

OK, cool story. No one cares what you think either.

I care what the “NONE of this should be happening,” poster because vaccine deniers are a danger to us all.

Get vaccinated and vaccine deniers will not be a danger to you.

Are vaccinated? Are you still afraid?

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Plagiarizing Bill Maher is not a good look. Neither is fat-shaming. Children have died. Thin people have died. Did they catch some kind of "fat cooties" in addition to COVID.

DP. Given that Bill Maher fat-shames, fat-shaming is included in the "plagiarizing Bill Maher" category.

To plagiarize Bill Maher, the very term “fat shaming” is why we’re not a serious people. Being overweight is not an identity. People in other countries don’t use terms like this. It is unequally American, probably because we have so many overweight people in this country. It is not laudable. It decreases your life expectancy. But for some reason there is this cottage industry that has turned being overweight into almost a protected class identity. It is truly bizarre, especially when you look at it from a worldly, un-American lens.

100%. I agree with with you and I agree with Bill Maher.

I can’t stand when “body diversity” is rhetorically used in the same context as racial and gender diversity. Race, gender and sexual orientation and ethnicity are immutable characteristics. Weight is not. Being overweight is inherently bad and if you disagree, you’re against science, and furthermore you are contextually saying that race and gender are inherently “bad”

Whackadoodle.

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Because it’s both.
Since we’re not doing anything to address obesity from a social justice standpoint, at least let us who approach it with personal responsibility have some positive reward.
For some reason we have to have the worst of both worlds.
Given that covid is worse for obese people - Okay, can we have free healthcare? More healthy alternatives for low income communities? No, promote “body positivity” instead.
So we’d rather have a society that says fat is beautiful but also stay home and wear a mask because we’re all so vulnerable and high risk and obese, or DO something about it, and meanwhile allow those who worked hard to NOT be obese enjoy the benefits of a healthy life.

Like what? Telling people to lose weight is not effective. Fat-shaming is not effective. Characterizing fat people as lazy is not effective. Announcing that fat people are ugly is not effective. Discriminating against fat people is not effective and is also illegal. What's your idea? Do you think fat people will lose weight if government requires fat people to stay home and wear a mask but allows non-fat people to go out and lead a regular life?

Everyone should go out and lead a regular life if they want to, include the obese who understand the risks.

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Plagiarizing Bill Maher is not a good look. Neither is fat-shaming. Children have died. Thin people have died. Did they catch some kind of "fat cooties" in addition to COVID.

DP. Given that Bill Maher fat-shames, fat-shaming is included in the "plagiarizing Bill Maher" category.

To plagiarize Bill Maher, the very term “fat shaming” is why we’re not a serious people. Being overweight is not an identity. People in other countries don’t use terms like this. It is unequally American, probably because we have so many overweight people in this country. It is not laudable. It decreases your life expectancy. But for some reason there is this cottage industry that has turned being overweight into almost a protected class identity. It is truly bizarre, especially when you look at it from a worldly, un-American lens.

100%. I agree with with you and I agree with Bill Maher.

I can’t stand when “body diversity” is rhetorically used in the same context as racial and gender diversity. Race, gender and sexual orientation and ethnicity are immutable characteristics. Weight is not. Being overweight is inherently bad and if you disagree, you’re against science, and furthermore you are contextually saying that race and gender are inherently “bad”

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Plagiarizing Bill Maher is not a good look. Neither is fat-shaming. Children have died. Thin people have died. Did they catch some kind of "fat cooties" in addition to COVID.

DP. Given that Bill Maher fat-shames, fat-shaming is included in the "plagiarizing Bill Maher" category.

To plagiarize Bill Maher, the very term “fat shaming” is why we’re not a serious people. Being overweight is not an identity. People in other countries don’t use terms like this. It is unequally American, probably because we have so many overweight people in this country. It is not laudable. It decreases your life expectancy. But for some reason there is this cottage industry that has turned being overweight into almost a protected class identity. It is truly bizarre, especially when you look at it from a worldly, un-American lens.

To plagiarize myself: Bill Maher is not a serious person.

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Because it’s both.
Since we’re not doing anything to address obesity from a social justice standpoint, at least let us who approach it with personal responsibility have some positive reward.
For some reason we have to have the worst of both worlds.
Given that covid is worse for obese people - Okay, can we have free healthcare? More healthy alternatives for low income communities? No, promote “body positivity” instead.
So we’d rather have a society that says fat is beautiful but also stay home and wear a mask because we’re all so vulnerable and high risk and obese, or DO something about it, and meanwhile allow those who worked hard to NOT be obese enjoy the benefits of a healthy life.

Like what? Telling people to lose weight is not effective. Fat-shaming is not effective. Characterizing fat people as lazy is not effective. Announcing that fat people are ugly is not effective. Discriminating against fat people is not effective and is also illegal. What's your idea? Do you think fat people will lose weight if government requires fat people to stay home and wear a mask but allows non-fat people to go out and lead a regular life?

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Plagiarizing Bill Maher is not a good look. Neither is fat-shaming. Children have died. Thin people have died. Did they catch some kind of "fat cooties" in addition to COVID.

DP. Given that Bill Maher fat-shames, fat-shaming is included in the "plagiarizing Bill Maher" category.

To plagiarize Bill Maher, the very term “fat shaming” is why we’re not a serious people. Being overweight is not an identity. People in other countries don’t use terms like this. It is unequally American, probably because we have so many overweight people in this country. It is not laudable. It decreases your life expectancy. But for some reason there is this cottage industry that has turned being overweight into almost a protected class identity. It is truly bizarre, especially when you look at it from a worldly, un-American lens.

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+100. THIS!!!
And I’m a registered Democrat, BTW. I voted for Bernie Sanders, Ben Jealous, and Marc Elrich.
I happily wear my mask indoors and I was all about the stay at home to stop the spread last year, since we were told that’s what it would take.
Now we have vaccines - it’s not perfect but it’s good enough. Time to get back out there and live.

Obesity is a social justice and racial equity issue and yet unfortunately, political correctness trumps that. Maybe because it’s against capitalist interest to provide more access to healthy food and reduce sugar intake, but I digress. I’m as left wing as they come but I do think personal responsibility with health should at least be rewarded. I’m young and healthy and thin and I worked for that. Stop making me live by the same safety standards as overweight and vulnerable people.

PP, if you believe that obesity is a social justice and racial equity issue, then why are you bringing up "personal responsibility"? I think you're a bit unclear on the concepts.

Because it’s both.
Since we’re not doing anything to address obesity from a social justice standpoint, at least let us who approach it with personal responsibility have some positive reward.
For some reason we have to have the worst of both worlds.
Given that covid is worse for obese people - Okay, can we have free healthcare? More healthy alternatives for low income communities? No, promote “body positivity” instead.
So we’d rather have a society that says fat is beautiful but also stay home and wear a mask because we’re all so vulnerable and high risk and obese, or DO something about it, and meanwhile allow those who worked hard to NOT be obese enjoy the benefits of a healthy life.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely not! Just get your vaccines and move on with your lives. I know you want to be able to watch everybody suffer in their aloneness along with you, but us normal people are ready to get back to life and see our kids have some joy in their lives again. Worry about yourself and stop this utter nonsense.

+1

There should be no emergency after May 20. I agree this is getting absolutely ridiculous.

People like the two of you are why the existing measures didn’t work in the first place. You didn’t take them seriously. And still aren’t.

Other countries did full lockdowns and then cases increased when lockdowns ended. Part of the reason the US had such high mortality rates is that we are an unhealthy country. Diabetes, hear disease, obesity, etc. It is also time to admit getting COVID is not that big of a deal for the vast majority of people. Cases increasing is not some doomsday scenario anymore. I was pretty careful for almost a year. I’m done with that now. As are many Boomers I see traveling all over and having dinner indoors at restaurants.

This! People who have “science is real” on their yard signs are the same people who don’t want to acknowledge that obesity plays a major role and should be the number one issue brought up by public officials when talking about Covid. These same people wear masks when they’re walking alone in a forest. Virtue signaling that you’re a “responsible person” by wearing a mask in the woods and not wanting to hurt people’s feeling by telling them to lose weight is not science. It’s a warped psuedo religious dogma.

Plagiarizing Bill Maher is not a good look. Neither is fat-shaming. Children have died. Thin people have died. Did they catch some kind of "fat cooties" in addition to COVID.

Stop being daft. Being overweight or obese is a comorbidity. Being a child and underweight is not. Bill Maher’s segment mentioned nothing about wearing masks in the woods or “Science is Real” signs and he’s hardly the first person to note the failure of elected officials and health officials to note the link between obesity and Covid because these officials would rather be sensitive to people’s feelings than save lives and “follow the ACTUAL science.” Science is not invalid just because it ruffles some people’s feathers.

That being said, all of this is linked to another one of Maher’s segments about this country not being a “serious people” because of our need to not face tough truths and to privilege coddling our citizens over everything else. The failure to bring up obesity and its relation to Covid deaths and for people to have to entertain other people’s neurotic and hypochondriacal behavior by masking up on woodland trails are two prime examples of this.