Anonymous
04/07/2021 21:03
Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
why don't you take the best players and then see how fit they are instead of taking the most fit and then seeing who is a soccer player.
Anonymous
04/07/2021 20:17
Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
I'm sure Neymar would do really well on fitness tests
Anonymous
04/07/2021 18:11
Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:The other extreme....my son’s HS team’s coach told them on the zoom call last night that they must run 1.5 miles in 15 minutes, not even joking.
Perhaps he meant they all had to go and run 1.5 miles in fifteen minutes after the call was over?
Anonymous
04/07/2021 18:10
Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is stupid. No professional soccer player ever out-jogs someone to the ball. It is sprint and recover, which does not translate to a long distance timed run.
I guarantee neither Messi nor Ronaldo come anywhere close to the best 2-mile timed run on their own team. We all know Maradona was a marathoner.
Why not do a sprint and cut the slowest kids who can't run an 11 second 100m? Both metrics are physically unattainable for a certain population of kids, and both are a poor measure of how the athlete will perform on the field.
Do you know anything that you are talking about?
No he doesn't.
Anonymous
04/07/2021 18:09
Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.
Gamers can run a 5:30 mile.
what about goalie
Good teams don't need goalies.
Ha!!!
Anonymous
04/07/2021 18:08
Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:So what you are saying is the only measurements worthwhile are soccer specific drills and techniques. Having a player that is physically fit is seemingly not important in your assessment.
Explain to me the harm in having a baseline fitness expectation for soccer or any high school sport for that matter.
Or will i get the same reply that someone posted about this being potentially dangerous.
To answer your question: No, that's not what I'm saying.
If I was going to say what you said, I would've said what you said. If you don't know what I'm saying, just say "I don't know what you're saying" or perhaps "can you please expand".
Continuing, there's no harm in having a baseline fitness expectation; running 1 mile and recording your time is not that. As I said, it's not a fitness measurement it's a cardiovascular observation. There's no danger, that's why I said "it's dumb".
Anonymous
04/07/2021 18:08
Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
My HS coach made us do the Cooper Run. 2 miles in 12 minutes. He did not cut anyone who didn’t make it (ie not strictly enforced). He used it as motivation. He also did the ManU test. Anyhow, that coach was A license, won National HS coach of the year, 4 state championships, and a few years later took GMUs women’s team to the ncaa championship game. This was back in the day when HS soccer was relevant and very competitive. So the naysayers can be ignored. It is a useful tool. One of many. Not the only one.
Anonymous
04/07/2021 18:07
Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
The other extreme....my son’s HS team’s coach told them on the zoom call last night that they must run 1.5 miles in 15 minutes, not even joking.
Anonymous
04/07/2021 18:06
Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:It is stupid. No professional soccer player ever out-jogs someone to the ball. It is sprint and recover, which does not translate to a long distance timed run.
I guarantee neither Messi nor Ronaldo come anywhere close to the best 2-mile timed run on their own team. We all know Maradona was a marathoner.
Why not do a sprint and cut the slowest kids who can't run an 11 second 100m? Both metrics are physically unattainable for a certain population of kids, and both are a poor measure of how the athlete will perform on the field.
Do you know anything that you are talking about? Boys HS record for 100M is 10.0 recorded in 2014 (T and F News). I don’t think many 9th graders are going to be running 11.0 100m.
“...the slowest kids who can’t run an 11 second 100m...” Geesh.
On the other hand a 5:30 mile is highly achievable and that endurance capacity is also highly desirable in a sport like soccer. If an athlete can’t immediately achieve 5:30, he or she can train toward it. The goal of the coach presumably is to build sheer endurance, yes, but also to develop an athlete who is able to perform with some level of power after being tired. That would mean fast acceleration and sustained sprints and fast lateral movements ... not simply 11 second in the 100m.
Soccer requires a kind of endurance that is not just the body going on, but also endurance that allows the brain to function quickly and alertly in a physically stressed state, responding to the play on the field.
The bar he is setting seems reasonable, perhaps one part of a mosaic of fitness he wishes to see in his athletes. After all, it’s the Beautiful Game.
Anonymous
04/07/2021 17:59
Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.
Gamers can run a 5:30 mile.
what about goalie
Good teams don't need goalies.
Anonymous
04/07/2021 17:59
Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:The mile is used as MOTIVATION to get all the interested athletes to show up in shape. No one is automatically cut because they didn’t make the time. That would be dumb. All athletes must go thru a minimum of a 3 day tryout in fcps where they are also assessed on their technical and tactical skills. I’ve never seen or heard of a player get cut on the basis of not meeting a timed mile in any sport that requires that as a part of their tryout process. What I have seen is any player that makes the team but did not make the mile time stay after every practice to run a mile until they made it or got closer to improve stamina. Anyone who argues that a 5:30 mile doesn’t test your ability to run almost in sprint like way for 1600meters has prob definitely never run that kind of time or has lost site of that level of fitness that it requires. In soccer players run anywhere from 3 to 5 miles in a game where you are sprinting and recovering. Anyone wishing to play soccer should be able to run a mile at a fast clip. If not, they can prepare by attending conditioning sessions prior to tryouts voluntarily in order to get ready. No excuses.
90 minute game usually averages six miles of running. Midfielders a bit more, wingers rather less.
Anonymous
04/07/2021 17:57
Subject: Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
The mile is used as MOTIVATION to get all the interested athletes to show up in shape. No one is automatically cut because they didn’t make the time. That would be dumb. All athletes must go thru a minimum of a 3 day tryout in fcps where they are also assessed on their technical and tactical skills. I’ve never seen or heard of a player get cut on the basis of not meeting a timed mile in any sport that requires that as a part of their tryout process. What I have seen is any player that makes the team but did not make the mile time stay after every practice to run a mile until they made it or got closer to improve stamina. Anyone who argues that a 5:30 mile doesn’t test your ability to run almost in sprint like way for 1600meters has prob definitely never run that kind of time or has lost site of that level of fitness that it requires. In soccer players run anywhere from 3 to 5 miles in a game where you are sprinting and recovering. Anyone wishing to play soccer should be able to run a mile at a fast clip. If not, they can prepare by attending conditioning sessions prior to tryouts voluntarily in order to get ready. No excuses.
Anonymous
04/07/2021 17:50
Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.
Gamers can run a 5:30 mile.
what about goalie
Most are also good field players (assuming you aren’t referring to the fat kid who gets stuck there around U10
No usually the kid who's over 6ft but has no need to leave the 18yrd box
That kid can usually run and probably has good foot skills too
Anonymous
04/07/2021 17:48
Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.
Gamers can run a 5:30 mile.
what about goalie
Most are also good field players (assuming you aren’t referring to the fat kid who gets stuck there around U10
No usually the kid who's over 6ft but has no need to leave the 18yrd box
Anonymous
04/07/2021 17:44
Subject: Re:Timed mile for high school soccer tryouts?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.
Gamers can run a 5:30 mile.
what about goalie
Most are also good field players (assuming you aren’t referring to the fat kid who gets stuck there around U10