Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 18:20     Subject: Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The head of the cdc spoke of her feeling of impending doom relating to the pandemic today.


Because idiots in TX, FL and elsewhere don't wear masks. Spring breakers being careless. We are still in a pandemic, people need to act like it.


TX and FL are not rising. Michigan, New Jersey, and New York are.


Texas and Florida are not counting honestly.
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 18:17     Subject: Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The head of the cdc spoke of her feeling of impending doom relating to the pandemic today.


Because idiots in TX, FL and elsewhere don't wear masks. Spring breakers being careless. We are still in a pandemic, people need to act like it.


TX and FL are not rising. Michigan, New Jersey, and New York are.
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 18:14     Subject: Re:Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
Anonymous wrote:OP here. I am not Ventilation lady and I have never posted on AEM and I don't belong to it either.

Why are people posting things without sources? Maybe that's my answer - the people who are demanding return right now have really, really, really strong cognitive bias and believe what they want to believe and don't seek out information.

The current vaccines are not as effective against South African strain and Brazil strain. The NYTimes article cited by a PP was based on health workers in the U.S., where the other variants were not yet circulating. In fact, the reason the J&J vaccine had lower efficacy was because it was partially tested in South Africa.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/why-coronavirus-variants-might-undercut-vaccine-efficacy
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2102214

I posted earlier that the Brazil variant reinfects people who already were infected. Also, vaccine manufacturers are actively working on new vaccines for the variants. If the current vaccines were effective, why would they work on new ones? If you don't believe me, or in science, or in data, or in news, can you at least believe in market capitalism?

Also, I don't fly, go to bars, eat at restaurants, etc. I'm not advocating for that instead of schools opening? What a straw man argument! jeez


There have been reinfected people since last March. But not many. The vaccines are effective against all the variants, both J&J and the mRNA vaccines. Remember, the WHO was looking for above 60%. They are all well above 60% against all variants. Sure, boosters are good, because capitalism. But we don't need to wait for boosters to reopen.

If you want to look at data, look: https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/key-measures/
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 18:14     Subject: Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/coronavirus/covid-19-in-virginia-cases/

OP, toggle this visualization to the northern region and look at the cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Please then explain to me how you interpret this as the pandemic getting worse.
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 18:11     Subject: Re:Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
OP here. I am not Ventilation lady and I have never posted on AEM and I don't belong to it either.

Why are people posting things without sources? Maybe that's my answer - the people who are demanding return right now have really, really, really strong cognitive bias and believe what they want to believe and don't seek out information.

The current vaccines are not as effective against South African strain and Brazil strain. The NYTimes article cited by a PP was based on health workers in the U.S., where the other variants were not yet circulating. In fact, the reason the J&J vaccine had lower efficacy was because it was partially tested in South Africa.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/why-coronavirus-variants-might-undercut-vaccine-efficacy
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2102214

I posted earlier that the Brazil variant reinfects people who already were infected. Also, vaccine manufacturers are actively working on new vaccines for the variants. If the current vaccines were effective, why would they work on new ones? If you don't believe me, or in science, or in data, or in news, can you at least believe in market capitalism?



Also, I don't fly, go to bars, eat at restaurants, etc. I'm not advocating for that instead of schools opening? What a straw man argument! jeez
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 18:09     Subject: Re:Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because the big picture isn’t what matters for schools. What matters for schools is the risk to teachers and other school staff plus students. Teachers and staff are now vaccinated. Children are low risk for serious issues from covid.


What about their unvaccinated parents and family members?


The vast majority of parents of school aged children are also at low risk in terms adverse outcomes re Covid. Those parents who are higher risk will have to keep their kids home, maybe. But schools shouldn’t be shuttered across the board because a minority of parents are higher risk...


The vast majority of parents are not vaccinated. Children are not low risk. We are in this mess because of people like you.


Children and young to middle aged adults are ABSOLUTELY low-risk for serious harmful outcomes due to COVID. You are wither being disingenuous or you are living under a rock.
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 18:09     Subject: Re:Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because the big picture isn’t what matters for schools. What matters for schools is the risk to teachers and other school staff plus students. Teachers and staff are now vaccinated. Children are low risk for serious issues from covid.


What about their unvaccinated parents and family members?


The vast majority of parents of school aged children are also at low risk in terms adverse outcomes re Covid. Those parents who are higher risk will have to keep their kids home, maybe. But schools shouldn’t be shuttered across the board because a minority of parents are higher risk...


The vast majority of parents are not vaccinated. Children are not low risk. We are in this mess because of people like you.


??? Children are very low risk. How can you say they aren’t? Look at the stats.
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 18:07     Subject: Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If it’s that dangerous, then we need to close bars, restaurants, movie theaters, etc. and prioritize schools. Kids have sacrificed enough, there is a vaccine now. Deaths from COVID aren’t the only harm that matter. I do not think the learning loss and other harm from school closures (increase in teenage crime, mental health issues, young kids left at home alone, etc.) are tolerable any longer. It’s time to prioritize the young. Anyone scared of this virus can continue to stay home. The world is full of scary things, but we shouldn’t shut down our entire in-person education system because of it. Not to mention, am in-person education shouldn’t be a luxury good for the wealthy who can buy their way into private school.

I have young elementary kids who cannot reasonably be expected to do school on an iPad any longer, and my job isn’t going to allow me to work from home to help oversee their schooling forever.

Sorry, but I’m not keeping my kids home into eternity to save people who don’t want to get vaccinated. The vaccines are effective against death and hospitalization. I don’t owe it to anyone to stay home so they don’t have to get a cold.

For those who are for keeping schools closed, why aren’t you out there protesting all the private bars, hotels, flights, etc. that are open? Why are we okay using children as pawns in this pandemic?


Then, you hire child care, just like you did when they were little. There are no vaccines for kids. Not everyone is eligible as an adult to get a vaccine. COVID is not a cold.


COVID is a cold for those who get the vaccine. If you can’t get the vaccine and are scared about getting sick, then I’m sorry but you should stay home. You don’t get to hold everyone hostage because of your needs. Other people’s needs matter too snowflake. Time to prioritize the young. You know, make the world better for the next generation. Not isolate ALL the kids and make their families go into debt to hire in home help (or have to quit their jobs) to save .001% of the population.

We made the best of virtual schooling, have worn masks, etc. I’m not some covid-denier. But I recognize that it is time to prioritize education in this country. If you want to get pissy at someone, go protest outside the crowded bars. Go picket to close the spring break beaches. It’s ridiculous to choose schooling as the thing you get upset about opening.
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 18:03     Subject: Re:Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
OP if you’re really this concerned why are you down in front of the White House protesting the run of Covid- infected migrants at the border?
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 18:01     Subject: Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If it’s that dangerous, then we need to close bars, restaurants, movie theaters, etc. and prioritize schools. Kids have sacrificed enough, there is a vaccine now. Deaths from COVID aren’t the only harm that matter. I do not think the learning loss and other harm from school closures (increase in teenage crime, mental health issues, young kids left at home alone, etc.) are tolerable any longer. It’s time to prioritize the young. Anyone scared of this virus can continue to stay home. The world is full of scary things, but we shouldn’t shut down our entire in-person education system because of it. Not to mention, am in-person education shouldn’t be a luxury good for the wealthy who can buy their way into private school.

I have young elementary kids who cannot reasonably be expected to do school on an iPad any longer, and my job isn’t going to allow me to work from home to help oversee their schooling forever.

Sorry, but I’m not keeping my kids home into eternity to save people who don’t want to get vaccinated. The vaccines are effective against death and hospitalization. I don’t owe it to anyone to stay home so they don’t have to get a cold.

For those who are for keeping schools closed, why aren’t you out there protesting all the private bars, hotels, flights, etc. that are open? Why are we okay using children as pawns in this pandemic?


Then, you hire child care, just like you did when they were little. There are no vaccines for kids. Not everyone is eligible as an adult to get a vaccine. COVID is not a cold.


That doesn't make sense. Your post doesn't make sense.

Try again.
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 17:59     Subject: Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
Anonymous wrote:If it’s that dangerous, then we need to close bars, restaurants, movie theaters, etc. and prioritize schools. Kids have sacrificed enough, there is a vaccine now. Deaths from COVID aren’t the only harm that matter. I do not think the learning loss and other harm from school closures (increase in teenage crime, mental health issues, young kids left at home alone, etc.) are tolerable any longer. It’s time to prioritize the young. Anyone scared of this virus can continue to stay home. The world is full of scary things, but we shouldn’t shut down our entire in-person education system because of it. Not to mention, am in-person education shouldn’t be a luxury good for the wealthy who can buy their way into private school.

I have young elementary kids who cannot reasonably be expected to do school on an iPad any longer, and my job isn’t going to allow me to work from home to help oversee their schooling forever.

Sorry, but I’m not keeping my kids home into eternity to save people who don’t want to get vaccinated. The vaccines are effective against death and hospitalization. I don’t owe it to anyone to stay home so they don’t have to get a cold.

For those who are for keeping schools closed, why aren’t you out there protesting all the private bars, hotels, flights, etc. that are open? Why are we okay using children as pawns in this pandemic?


Then, you hire child care, just like you did when they were little. There are no vaccines for kids. Not everyone is eligible as an adult to get a vaccine. COVID is not a cold.
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 17:59     Subject: Re:Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because the big picture isn’t what matters for schools. What matters for schools is the risk to teachers and other school staff plus students. Teachers and staff are now vaccinated. Children are low risk for serious issues from covid.


What about their unvaccinated parents and family members?


The vast majority of parents of school aged children are also at low risk in terms adverse outcomes re Covid. Those parents who are higher risk will have to keep their kids home, maybe. But schools shouldn’t be shuttered across the board because a minority of parents are higher risk...


The vast majority of parents are not vaccinated. Children are not low risk. We are in this mess because of people like you.
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 17:57     Subject: Re:Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because the big picture isn’t what matters for schools. What matters for schools is the risk to teachers and other school staff plus students. Teachers and staff are now vaccinated. Children are low risk for serious issues from covid.


What about their unvaccinated parents and family members?


What about the unvaccinated teenagers?
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 17:56     Subject: Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
If it’s that dangerous, then we need to close bars, restaurants, movie theaters, etc. and prioritize schools. Kids have sacrificed enough, there is a vaccine now. Deaths from COVID aren’t the only harm that matter. I do not think the learning loss and other harm from school closures (increase in teenage crime, mental health issues, young kids left at home alone, etc.) are tolerable any longer. It’s time to prioritize the young. Anyone scared of this virus can continue to stay home. The world is full of scary things, but we shouldn’t shut down our entire in-person education system because of it. Not to mention, am in-person education shouldn’t be a luxury good for the wealthy who can buy their way into private school.

I have young elementary kids who cannot reasonably be expected to do school on an iPad any longer, and my job isn’t going to allow me to work from home to help oversee their schooling forever.

Sorry, but I’m not keeping my kids home into eternity to save people who don’t want to get vaccinated. The vaccines are effective against death and hospitalization. I don’t owe it to anyone to stay home so they don’t have to get a cold.

For those who are for keeping schools closed, why aren’t you out there protesting all the private bars, hotels, flights, etc. that are open? Why are we okay using children as pawns in this pandemic?
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2021 17:56     Subject: Re:Why are you demanding 5 day in-person school now that the pandemic is getting more dangerous?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because the big picture isn’t what matters for schools. What matters for schools is the risk to teachers and other school staff plus students. Teachers and staff are now vaccinated. Children are low risk for serious issues from covid.


What about their unvaccinated parents and family members?


The vast majority of parents of school aged children are also at low risk in terms adverse outcomes re Covid. Those parents who are higher risk will have to keep their kids home, maybe. But schools shouldn’t be shuttered across the board because a minority of parents are higher risk...