Anonymous wrote:I would not risk my kid’s life because my old parents would not get vaccinated. You do not have to visit. If you do visit, you don’t have to stay with them.

The risk to your kids is minimal.

I would be clear about my views, but respect their autonomy and let them take the risk. It sounds like OP’s parents are taking much more risk in other ways.

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Anonymous wrote:OP Here.

I am much less concerned with my kids catching COVID from them. My main concern is with us getting them sick which is something my parents don't see as a risk. They see the rest of my unvaccinated/anti covid vax family all the time including my nieces and nephews who are all playing sports and going to school. My family would think we were insane if we stayed at a hotel and only saw them masked. We aren't crazy conservative with Covid, but still don't want the guilt of getting my parents sick.

Your parents are making their own decisions on the risks they’re willing to take. They’re adults.

Either visit them, or don’t. But, don’t blame it on their decision on what risks they’re willing to take.

I totally agree. My in-laws refuse to get vaccinated, and my position is that it is their risk to take. They are adults making an autonomous decision, and while I don't agree with their decision, this is their choice. We have been visiting them, and I always let them know before hand that DS played in a soccer tournament etc so that they understand their potential exposure. If they get covid, I'm not going to feel guilty. I don't really understand the threats and manipulation I see other posters recommend. Am I in the minority, or just in the minority among posters on this thread?

I don’t know if we’re in the minority, but I agree with both posts. She states she’s not worried about her kids, so she’s refusing to visit because she disagrees with their choices and is punishing them for it. At some point we have to stop the altruistic nonsense of sacrificing all these things to protect people who don’t want to be protected. Let them make the choice what risks they want to take.

My mom and brother are similar. I probably won’t see them again until the summer or Xmas, but by they time my DH and I will be vax’d so we’ll see them.

The reality is that the disease is mostly survivable. If my slightly asthmatic mom wants to gamble her life that’s on her.

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Anonymous wrote:OP Here.

I am much less concerned with my kids catching COVID from them. My main concern is with us getting them sick which is something my parents don't see as a risk. They see the rest of my unvaccinated/anti covid vax family all the time including my nieces and nephews who are all playing sports and going to school. My family would think we were insane if we stayed at a hotel and only saw them masked. We aren't crazy conservative with Covid, but still don't want the guilt of getting my parents sick.

Your parents are making their own decisions on the risks they’re willing to take. They’re adults.

Either visit them, or don’t. But, don’t blame it on their decision on what risks they’re willing to take.

I totally agree. My in-laws refuse to get vaccinated, and my position is that it is their risk to take. They are adults making an autonomous decision, and while I don't agree with their decision, this is their choice. We have been visiting them, and I always let them know before hand that DS played in a soccer tournament etc so that they understand their potential exposure. If they get covid, I'm not going to feel guilty. I don't really understand the threats and manipulation I see other posters recommend. Am I in the minority, or just in the minority among posters on this thread?

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Anonymous wrote:I think people are just vaccine hesitant and thats ok. This is a new vaccine and your mother is not wrong in feeling unsure.

The 2009 swine flu vaccination Pandemrix was given to 60-90 million people and they withheld safety information that it was linked to narcolepsy in children. Dr Fauci was involved telling the public it was safe and for the greater good. It was later banned.

Thalidomide which was a morning sickness drug given to pregnant women was later discovered to cause miscarriage and birth defects.

I have had my first dose of the vaccination however even I am uneasy and unsure. I feel there have been enough doses given now to give fairly decent safety information but I really feel that those people that did the initial testing for the vaccines are heroes.

There are valid reasons why people are hesitant against new medications and vaccinations. Your mother may later be more comfortable with having it. I have friends who are refusing and that's their right. I am not anti-vax but I do have fears about this vaccination but I'll take it as I fear Covid more.

Were you under the impression that Thalidomide was FDA-approved in the US while the data about teratogenic effects was coming in from elsewhere around the world? Or are you aware that it was not?

My point was that some people are unsure of a new vaccination/medicine and don't want to rush out to have it. My point wasn't what country they were given. My point was that perhaps older people have seen this before and seen it go badly and are anxious. I gave two examples there are others. Rather than tear these people down, either work out other solutions to see them or don't see them. Not every one is anti vax. All my friends have had other vaccinations however some are worried about this one. I'm sure that will wear off in time. Perhaps talk to your mother rather than hysterically labelling her an anti-vax troll and threatening to cut her off. It seems so extreme. She may take a risk by not being vaccinated but that's her choice. I still see my friends and don't have this vehement hatred to cut them off because they are anxious over the vaccination. I have been able to have neutral conversations with them where we all say how we feel and what we have read with respect. I can't imagine cutting them off or not seeing them over this.

For the PP that say I am anti-vax if you can read I said I have had my first vaccination. I am also very aware its a new vaccination and did not have this vaccination as comfortably as I do my yearly flu vaccination. Some people on this thread are obviously overly anxious and perhaps need some medication to calm down. Visit her outside or wear a mask, wash your hands.

I have to laugh at 18:14 saying they hate anti vax stupidity and then saying she won't get pregnant soon so doesn't have to worry about autism. OMG that is stupid, people's concerns can sometimes be more involved than that nonsense. At least my friends and peers can converse about peer reviewed journal articles and not just assume that any one concerned about new medications is anti vax and worrying about autism. Perhaps talk about it and you may understand her concerns more or cut her off and cut your kids off in retaliation. You do you.

I would not risk my kid’s life because my old parents would not get vaccinated. You do not have to visit. If you do visit, you don’t have to stay with them.

I hear ya OP. She has a right to self determination, and I hate anti vax stupidity. I'd go visit without the kids. Maybe she will miss them and get vaccinated.

Since she's likely not going to get pregnant any time soon I doubt she needs to worry about autism.

Anonymous wrote:My Dad (70) is being like this. I’ve told him, no shot, no visit so get it done...since he lives with my mom, 3 siblings, and a grandchild, I’m basically forcing him if he wants to see me and our kid (and telling him that it’s his fault if EVERYONE else can’t see us ans we can’t meet the new baby). And yes, I think he’s being stupid and selfish.

I just posted above about my parents in Florida. If they did get the vaccine, I think getting to see their grandkids is the only reason why they did.

My retired parents in Florida are the same. Weeks of arguing because they refused to get it. Then today they claimed they did get it 10 days ago and just didn't want to be told what to do. Umm, ok? I'm still not sure if they really got it or just said they did so I'd stop bothering them.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people are just vaccine hesitant and thats ok. This is a new vaccine and your mother is not wrong in feeling unsure.

The 2009 swine flu vaccination Pandemrix was given to 60-90 million people and they withheld safety information that it was linked to narcolepsy in children. Dr Fauci was involved telling the public it was safe and for the greater good. It was later banned.

Thalidomide which was a morning sickness drug given to pregnant women was later discovered to cause miscarriage and birth defects.

I have had my first dose of the vaccination however even I am uneasy and unsure. I feel there have been enough doses given now to give fairly decent safety information but I really feel that those people that did the initial testing for the vaccines are heroes.

There are valid reasons why people are hesitant against new medications and vaccinations. Your mother may later be more comfortable with having it. I have friends who are refusing and that's their right. I am not anti-vax but I do have fears about this vaccination but I'll take it as I fear Covid more.

You are absolutely an anti-vax troll.

Love the dig to Fauci. Might want to read up on this a little more. There is actually research to show it might have been the flu that caused the narcolepsy. And
that vaccine was found to have issues in these countries Sweden, Ireland, and the United Kingdom where 30 million doses were given out. 3000 approximately caused narcolepsy. Not the US. The Pandemrix H1N1 vaccine mixed portions of viral proteins with the AS03 adjuvant, designed to induce a stronger immune response.

That vaccine was never used in the United States and was withdrawn from use in Europe when links to narcolepsy emerged.

Try again. Stop pushing lies.

Same anti-vax troll is also pushing lies about Thalidomide in the US, or just doesn't know enough to know that what they are posting is wrong.

Anonymous wrote:I think people are just vaccine hesitant and thats ok. This is a new vaccine and your mother is not wrong in feeling unsure.

The 2009 swine flu vaccination Pandemrix was given to 60-90 million people and they withheld safety information that it was linked to narcolepsy in children. Dr Fauci was involved telling the public it was safe and for the greater good. It was later banned.

Thalidomide which was a morning sickness drug given to pregnant women was later discovered to cause miscarriage and birth defects.

I have had my first dose of the vaccination however even I am uneasy and unsure. I feel there have been enough doses given now to give fairly decent safety information but I really feel that those people that did the initial testing for the vaccines are heroes.

There are valid reasons why people are hesitant against new medications and vaccinations. Your mother may later be more comfortable with having it. I have friends who are refusing and that's their right. I am not anti-vax but I do have fears about this vaccination but I'll take it as I fear Covid more.

Were you under the impression that Thalidomide was FDA-approved in the US while the data about teratogenic effects was coming in from elsewhere around the world? Or are you aware that it was not?

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Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of ways to see them safely but it sounds like you don't want to even do that. Which is fine but don't blame it on them not wanting to get the vaccine.

Then you are as stupid as they are.

Anti vaxers go away, leave the US if you are not vaccinating and sign away your rights to any medical intervention. Fixed it for you.

Are you okay? You seem stressed.

Oh well, no inside visits until they get vaccinated, and no contact under 3 feet outside. It's their choice. I'd they want to hug everyone and die early, also their choice, but I would not be taking care of them.

Anonymous wrote:OP Here.

I am much less concerned with my kids catching COVID from them. My main concern is with us getting them sick which is something my parents don't see as a risk. They see the rest of my unvaccinated/anti covid vax family all the time including my nieces and nephews who are all playing sports and going to school. My family would think we were insane if we stayed at a hotel and only saw them masked. We aren't crazy conservative with Covid, but still don't want the guilt of getting my parents sick.

Your parents are making their own decisions on the risks they’re willing to take. They’re adults.

Either visit them, or don’t. But, don’t blame it on their decision on what risks they’re willing to take.

My Dad (70) is being like this. I’ve told him, no shot, no visit so get it done...since he lives with my mom, 3 siblings, and a grandchild, I’m basically forcing him if he wants to see me and our kid (and telling him that it’s his fault if EVERYONE else can’t see us ans we can’t meet the new baby). And yes, I think he’s being stupid and selfish.