Anonymous
Post 03/20/2021 00:05     Subject: Re:Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
UMich is twice as large. You may not get the class you want.

https://www.michigandaily.com/section/academics/students-discuss-frustrations-long-waitlists-upper-level-computer-science-classes

Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 23:02     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
It’s funny how so man UVA partisans seem to portray Michigan as some huge party school. It is a large school to be sure, but has the resources to support its students. It’s also one of the more intellectually stimulating environments in the entire country. Certainly on par or better overall than UVA in almost every imaginable way.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 23:00     Subject: Re:Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
Anonymous wrote:I just have to laugh at these nonsense. I just hired a recently James Madison CS graduate and another recently U. of Michigan CS graduate and they both got paid the same salary, 94k/yr, for the same position.


I just hired a guy for more than that with no degree.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 22:57     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I went to Va Tech Engineering. If money is not a problem I'd pick Michigan over UVA. UVA is a great education, but there are Engineering undergraduate experiences that it doesn't have/do (like a co-op program, which I found to be an extremely valuable experience, and Michigan has more money in their program so they have a bigger selection of engineering project/competition teams). UVA is a wonderful education, and if your son is after a smaller program or school (or that would just be a better fit for him) then UVA would be the better choice. If Va Tech was appealing atmosphere wise (college town, big student body) then you want Michigan (my husband went to Michigan, not for engineering, but I've spent a lot of time in Ann Arbor fwiw and it feels very much like Blacksburg to me. My brother went to UVA for CS, and I've spent a fair amount of time in Charlottesville too).


Of course you would. No Hokie is going to recommend that anybody choose UVA. Next.


Talk about reductive thinking.

There are differences in the programs. Michigan is culturally more similar to Va Tech. UVA is a smaller, which can be more appealing and a better fit. Both will result in an excellent education. OP knows whether that will matter to their kids success and/or happiness in a program. I have family that have attended CS programs at both. OP can take or leave my point of view, but I added where I went so as to be as transparent as possible.


Michigan is culturally more similar to UVA than VaTech. Academically, Michigan is more similar to elite privates than UVA in STEM.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 22:53     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
Anonymous wrote:Another important factor to consider is the number of enrollment. UVA has 25,000 whereas UMich is almost double the size at 48,000. One distinction between public school and private school is enrollment size with public schools much bigger. A student, especially an undergraduate is like a drop of water in an ocean, can feel ignored in a huge public school. UVA is more toward a private school experience while UMich is the definition of humongous public schools like Penn State, Ohio State, UCLA, etc. So very different experiences.


USC has 48,000 students and is private. NYU has 52,000 students and is private. Both are peers of UVA And both are private. 25,000 students is a very large public school. You’re acting as if UVA is a LAC. Btw, Penn State and Ohio State are not peers to UCLA and Michigan. Also smaller private schools can and do excel in STEM, unlike UVA which does not.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 22:33     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
Just go to VaTech.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 22:30     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I disagree that Michigan is soooooo much better than UVA. UVA is a top school. Why would you waste money on a school like Michigan when you have UVA? UVA has a stellar reputation. There is no choice here. Save your money.


Michigan is top ten (#6)
UVA is top forty (#37)

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate


That search is for schools that offer doctorates. Putting engineering alone as a search term defaults to national rankings #24 and #26. Michigan is better by ranking and reputation but not by all that much.


Link? Rando ranking put out by UVA grads?

Let’s look at USNWR mechanical engineering.
Michigan #4
UVA not ranked

Aerospace
Michigan #4
UVA not ranked

Neither are top 10 for CS.

Michigan is indisputably the “better” engineering school. There are other factors to consider when deciding on a school, but that part isn’t really up for debate.



Michigan is top ten in Computer Engineering.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 22:02     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
Anonymous wrote:Another important factor to consider is the number of enrollment. UVA has 25,000 whereas UMich is almost double the size at 48,000. One distinction between public school and private school is enrollment size with public schools much bigger. A student, especially an undergraduate is like a drop of water in an ocean, can feel ignored in a huge public school. UVA is more toward a private school experience while UMich is the definition of humongous public schools like Penn State, Ohio State, UCLA, etc. So very different experiences.

Michigan is around 30,000 undergraduate students and UVA is around 18,000.

Most top privates have around 6,000 undergraduate students
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 22:01     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I disagree that Michigan is soooooo much better than UVA. UVA is a top school. Why would you waste money on a school like Michigan when you have UVA? UVA has a stellar reputation. There is no choice here. Save your money.


Michigan is top ten (#6)
UVA is top forty (#37)

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate


By these rankings, Harvard is way behind VTech in engineering. But I still prefer Harvard if I were accepted to both. You don't?

Michigan and UVA are similar in prestige otherwise; Harvard and VT are not.

Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 21:52     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
Anonymous wrote:UVA doesn’t have a co-op program?

Michigan research brings in lots of money and provides a lot of resources (specialized labs, etc). Great for even undergrads to get involved in cool new stuff.


Nope

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/uva-co-op-program/1989273
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 21:50     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
UVA doesn’t have a co-op program?

Michigan research brings in lots of money and provides a lot of resources (specialized labs, etc). Great for even undergrads to get involved in cool new stuff.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 21:49     Subject: Re:Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
I just have to laugh at these nonsense. I just hired a recently James Madison CS graduate and another recently U. of Michigan CS graduate and they both got paid the same salary, 94k/yr, for the same position.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 21:18     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I disagree that Michigan is soooooo much better than UVA. UVA is a top school. Why would you waste money on a school like Michigan when you have UVA? UVA has a stellar reputation. There is no choice here. Save your money.


Michigan is top ten (#6)
UVA is top forty (#37)

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate


That search is for schools that offer doctorates. Putting engineering alone as a search term defaults to national rankings #24 and #26. Michigan is better by ranking and reputation but not by all that much.

Putting engineering alone, Michigan is tied @4 and UVA is #41

https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 21:04     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I went to Va Tech Engineering. If money is not a problem I'd pick Michigan over UVA. UVA is a great education, but there are Engineering undergraduate experiences that it doesn't have/do (like a co-op program, which I found to be an extremely valuable experience, and Michigan has more money in their program so they have a bigger selection of engineering project/competition teams). UVA is a wonderful education, and if your son is after a smaller program or school (or that would just be a better fit for him) then UVA would be the better choice. If Va Tech was appealing atmosphere wise (college town, big student body) then you want Michigan (my husband went to Michigan, not for engineering, but I've spent a lot of time in Ann Arbor fwiw and it feels very much like Blacksburg to me. My brother went to UVA for CS, and I've spent a fair amount of time in Charlottesville too).


Of course you would. No Hokie is going to recommend that anybody choose UVA. Next.


Talk about reductive thinking.

There are differences in the programs. Michigan is culturally more similar to Va Tech. UVA is a smaller, which can be more appealing and a better fit. Both will result in an excellent education. OP knows whether that will matter to their kids success and/or happiness in a program. I have family that have attended CS programs at both. OP can take or leave my point of view, but I added where I went so as to be as transparent as possible.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2021 21:02     Subject: Engineering - Umich (OOS) - Uva (InState)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I disagree that Michigan is soooooo much better than UVA. UVA is a top school. Why would you waste money on a school like Michigan when you have UVA? UVA has a stellar reputation. There is no choice here. Save your money.


Michigan is top ten (#6)
UVA is top forty (#37)

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate


By these rankings, Harvard is way behind VTech in engineering. But I still prefer Harvard if I were accepted to both. You don't?


If I could get into Harvard, I would have a good shot at MIT and Stanford. Those are no brainers to pick over Harvard for engineering. Beyond that, I’d still need to seriously think about it vs. Berkeley, Cal Tech, CMU, Cornell, etc. Depends on how serious I was about engineering.

VA Tech? It’s a good program but also many negatives. Not likely to pick it over Harvard.