Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 23:38     Subject: sorority hazing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Any group that decides who can join and who can't is hazing-it has many meanings.


So every employer hazes when it interviews a prospective employee? This anti fraternity theme is getting ridiculous. Sure, some are bad and some are good - just like everything else in the world. People who sit in their bubbles, cast stereotypes and rage at things they dislike are the true source of ugly on these boards. Maybe some self-reflection is in order.


PP is pretty amusing, considering the obsession on this board with “elite” colleges based entirely on their minuscule acceptance rates.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 23:33     Subject: sorority hazing
Anonymous wrote:I was at w&m in the late 90s and there was definitely hazing going on in the sororities. I remember pledges having to stand the steps of one of the frat houses and sing in their underwear (don't recall which sorority). Not sure what else was going on... Just remember that specifically because it was so public-- frat houses were on campus so this was in view of the other dorms in the area.


Same at VA school in late 90s.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 23:31     Subject: sorority hazing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I went to a big southern Greek school and never saw any hazing or heard of any sororities doing such. I saw it in frats though.


Then you are blind or unconscious, because they all do it.


DP. No they don’t. I was in a sorority at a school that was 50% Greek, and the anti-hazing policy was very strict and well enforced. The frats did get away with some minor things, but I never heard of anything dangerous.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 20:24     Subject: Re:sorority hazing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As many others have said, not all sororities haze, and some of that depends more on a sorority's national policy than it does the specific school. So it's impossible to say all sororoties at ___ university do or don't. I was in a sorority in the early 90s at a large SEC school, and we did not haze new members at all. Not only would we have been in trouble, be we didn't want to. I did know of some sororities who did - silly things, not dangerous or harmful, but it was still hazing.


So would freshman girls know by the time they go through rush which sororities are the present-buyers v. the body-shamers? Is it pretty well known on campus if ears and eyes are open?


For schools that rush second semester, you wouldn't see it, because there wouldn't be any uninitiated members on campus in the fall, but I think you would hear stories and opinions from people about sororities that do and those that don't. Even for schools that rush first semester, I think reputations would be out there. I can see it might be tough to know in advance for a student attending who has zero connections to the school, but friends in the dorm, people in the rush group, etc. could probably share what they know/have heard.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 19:40     Subject: Re:sorority hazing
Anonymous wrote:As many others have said, not all sororities haze, and some of that depends more on a sorority's national policy than it does the specific school. So it's impossible to say all sororoties at ___ university do or don't. I was in a sorority in the early 90s at a large SEC school, and we did not haze new members at all. Not only would we have been in trouble, be we didn't want to. I did know of some sororities who did - silly things, not dangerous or harmful, but it was still hazing.


So would freshman girls know by the time they go through rush which sororities are the present-buyers v. the body-shamers? Is it pretty well known on campus if ears and eyes are open?
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 19:20     Subject: sorority hazing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I went to a big southern Greek school and never saw any hazing or heard of any sororities doing such. I saw it in frats though.


Then you are blind or unconscious, because they all do it.


That's your come back? That I'm blind? 4 years in a sorority and I never once saw hazing. I had tons of friends in other sororities too.


+1. Mine didn’t do it


I never experienced or heard about sorority hazing at University of Texas. It happened at the frats though. We joked that the sorority version of hazing was buying you presents.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 19:15     Subject: sorority hazing
I was at w&m in the late 90s and there was definitely hazing going on in the sororities. I remember pledges having to stand the steps of one of the frat houses and sing in their underwear (don't recall which sorority). Not sure what else was going on... Just remember that specifically because it was so public-- frat houses were on campus so this was in view of the other dorms in the area.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 18:49     Subject: sorority hazing
Anonymous wrote:My daughter is at one of the schools that is often ranked among the “top party schools.” She is in a sorority. The frats are purported to haze, the sororities do not. Anything, and I mean absolutely anything that a pledge is asked to do can get a chapter kicked off campus for charges of “hazing”. Recent violations include pledges being asked to wear hawaiian shirts, to sweep the floors of the university owned fraternity house, and to take a bite of a raw onion. All completely harmless, but considered “hazing” because anything fun or silly is strictly forbidden...so they just keep it underground now. Great call, administration.

Girls sweeping the frat house is fun?🤢
What else do they have to bend over and take.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 17:36     Subject: sorority hazing
Anonymous wrote:Any group that decides who can join and who can't is hazing-it has many meanings.


So is it hazing when children submit applications to be in the various high school honor societies and are not chosen? I'm not sure how it works in all high schools, but at my child's school, students complete an application, and it clearly states it isn't just grades that determine who is asked to be a member.

What about college acceptances? Are those who aren't accepted being hazed?

As someone else mentioned, what about applying for jobs?

School plays?

We could go on and on. I don't agree with hazing and absolutely think it shouldn't be allowed, but your statement is way off base.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 17:30     Subject: sorority hazing
My sorority at UVA in the 90s did not haze. Never heard about any of the other sororities hazing either. The fraternities definitely hazed. I never understood why boys would want to join a fraternity.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 17:24     Subject: Re:sorority hazing
As many others have said, not all sororities haze, and some of that depends more on a sorority's national policy than it does the specific school. So it's impossible to say all sororoties at ___ university do or don't. I was in a sorority in the early 90s at a large SEC school, and we did not haze new members at all. Not only would we have been in trouble, be we didn't want to. I did know of some sororities who did - silly things, not dangerous or harmful, but it was still hazing.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 16:43     Subject: sorority hazing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Any group that decides who can join and who can't is hazing-it has many meanings.


So every employer hazes when it interviews a prospective employee? This anti fraternity theme is getting ridiculous. Sure, some are bad and some are good - just like everything else in the world. People who sit in their bubbles, cast stereotypes and rage at things they dislike are the true source of ugly on these boards. Maybe some self-reflection is in order.


I guess you need to clean up the bad then. Unless you are ok with the hazing?
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 16:29     Subject: sorority hazing
Anonymous wrote:Any group that decides who can join and who can't is hazing-it has many meanings.


So every employer hazes when it interviews a prospective employee? This anti fraternity theme is getting ridiculous. Sure, some are bad and some are good - just like everything else in the world. People who sit in their bubbles, cast stereotypes and rage at things they dislike are the true source of ugly on these boards. Maybe some self-reflection is in order.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 16:21     Subject: sorority hazing
My daughter is at one of the schools that is often ranked among the “top party schools.” She is in a sorority. The frats are purported to haze, the sororities do not. Anything, and I mean absolutely anything that a pledge is asked to do can get a chapter kicked off campus for charges of “hazing”. Recent violations include pledges being asked to wear hawaiian shirts, to sweep the floors of the university owned fraternity house, and to take a bite of a raw onion. All completely harmless, but considered “hazing” because anything fun or silly is strictly forbidden...so they just keep it underground now. Great call, administration.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2021 16:17     Subject: sorority hazing
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My brother went to UVa back in the day and just skipped the Greek life. I went to a school with no Greek life allowed. I didn’t want to be on a campus where social life was based on excluding people from the get go.


Oh please, if exclusion is your bar then you better toughen up. There are lots of schools, clubs, etc. that exclude "from the get go." There are lots of things to criticize re: Greek system. That is not one of them.


That is exactly the problem. The reason that hazing exists is that people want to be with the in crowd and will do stupid things to get there. They don’t want to be excluded from the “top” frat or sorority. It sets up the upperclassmen and women as judges of the worthiness of other students rather than classmates of equal value. Maybe you think that’s ok.