Anonymous wrote:OP, there are an awful lot of out of print or difficult to find books from the past. Many of these were once popular but fashions change so they are out of print. If they were cancelling all Dr. Suess books because of his racist attitudes, then I'd worry. But cancelling one low volume work tbat most people never heard of is not a big deal.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please include links, people.
This story has multiple headlines on Fox News. That’s why troll op is glomming on to it.
The Dr. Seuss foundation says it will stop publishing several books due to racist stereotypes. It’s pretty stupid and I think the backlash will be pretty significant. That said, this is not due to the government action but because of people with power listening to an increasingly shrill and insane minority. They don’t seem to have any moral compass of their own so they just follow the Twitterati.
I’m OP, not a troll. Before posting here I mentioned this article to my husband (a conservative) and how it bothered me, and he said “well this is exactly what you voted for! You voted to affirm behavior like this”. Which made me very angry, and I turned here for a discussion. As a democrat, I am afraid of the influence this extremely loud minority has. I do not support pulling books from shelves, or re-writing history, or large tech companies silencing opposing or even offensive participants. It just seems like society is going to a weird place, and the corporations are perhaps in a place to censor on behalf of the government, which can claim it has no influence?
If Trump were President, what would he do to stop this? Sure, he would tweet about it and turn conservative cancel culture against the publisher. But what could he really do to stop it?
Not the OP, but agree let's take this out of the political realm. The important question here IMO is how much do we value free expression and free speech as a society. Even without any government action, major corporations and organizations can act to effectively severely restrict expression and remove a number of historic works from circulation.
Aren't Dr Seuss books in their way significant pieces of art. Do we want any significant works like this effectively removed from the public record. For all our lives things like "Birth of a Nation", "Mein Kampf" etc have been available for people to view or read. We abhor all the sentiments in them but as a society we believed in the value of free expression. Do we want major organizations to decide for us whether these types of works should be available. What if "Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" comes up soon.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please include links, people.
This story has multiple headlines on Fox News. That’s why troll op is glomming on to it.
The Dr. Seuss foundation says it will stop publishing several books due to racist stereotypes. It’s pretty stupid and I think the backlash will be pretty significant. That said, this is not due to the government action but because of people with power listening to an increasingly shrill and insane minority. They don’t seem to have any moral compass of their own so they just follow the Twitterati.
The backlash against who, the Dr. Seuss Foundation? Are you saying that the supposed party of individual rights believes that individuals should be compelled to publish their works against their will?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please include links, people.
This story has multiple headlines on Fox News. That’s why troll op is glomming on to it.
The Dr. Seuss foundation says it will stop publishing several books due to racist stereotypes. It’s pretty stupid and I think the backlash will be pretty significant. That said, this is not due to the government action but because of people with power listening to an increasingly shrill and insane minority. They don’t seem to have any moral compass of their own so they just follow the Twitterati.
I’m OP, not a troll. Before posting here I mentioned this article to my husband (a conservative) and how it bothered me, and he said “well this is exactly what you voted for! You voted to affirm behavior like this”. Which made me very angry, and I turned here for a discussion. As a democrat, I am afraid of the influence this extremely loud minority has. I do not support pulling books from shelves, or re-writing history, or large tech companies silencing opposing or even offensive participants. It just seems like society is going to a weird place, and the corporations are perhaps in a place to censor on behalf of the government, which can claim it has no influence?
If Trump were President, what would he do to stop this? Sure, he would tweet about it and turn conservative cancel culture against the publisher. But what could he really do to stop it?
Not the OP, but agree let's take this out of the political realm. The important question here IMO is how much do we value free expression and free speech as a society. Even without any government action, major corporations and organizations can act to effectively severely restrict expression and remove a number of historic works from circulation.
Aren't Dr Seuss books in their way significant pieces of art. Do we want any significant works like this effectively removed from the public record. For all our lives things like "Birth of a Nation", "Mein Kampf" etc have been available for people to view or read. We abhor all the sentiments in them but as a society we believed in the value of free expression. Do we want major organizations to decide for us whether these types of works should be available. What if "Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" comes up soon.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It is appalling to me that they are pulling some of Dr. Seuss’s classic children’s books off the shelves because they are potentially offensive. At what point does this cancel culture not become Fahrenheit 451?
I just re-read one of the titles being discontinued, “...Saw it on Mulberry St”, Dr. Seuss’s first children’s book and a wonderful story about imagination. The only potentially offensive line in the whole book is “a Chinese man that eats with sticks”. Is acknowledging that Chinese eat with chopsticks now so offensive that we are banning a book that mentions it? Can any Asians out there please enlighten me and tell me if you’re happy with the choice to remove this classic book from the shelves?
I’m really afraid of what’s going on, and that this kind of move is supported and applauded by the left.
Yeah, support for the ban is all over the Lucy Calkins Writer's and Reader's workshop Facebook pages, which has a lock on a ton of public schools in America. I don't dare post objection--don't wanna get canceled. I am buying up a personal mint copy of the Seuss books that will not be reprinted, as well as the objectionable Babars and Curious George's. I'd like to provide a safe home for them before the burnings begin.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please include links, people.
This story has multiple headlines on Fox News. That’s why troll op is glomming on to it.
The Dr. Seuss foundation says it will stop publishing several books due to racist stereotypes. It’s pretty stupid and I think the backlash will be pretty significant. That said, this is not due to the government action but because of people with power listening to an increasingly shrill and insane minority. They don’t seem to have any moral compass of their own so they just follow the Twitterati.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please include links, people.
This story has multiple headlines on Fox News. That’s why troll op is glomming on to it.
The Dr. Seuss foundation says it will stop publishing several books due to racist stereotypes. It’s pretty stupid and I think the backlash will be pretty significant. That said, this is not due to the government action but because of people with power listening to an increasingly shrill and insane minority. They don’t seem to have any moral compass of their own so they just follow the Twitterati.
I’m OP, not a troll. Before posting here I mentioned this article to my husband (a conservative) and how it bothered me, and he said “well this is exactly what you voted for! You voted to affirm behavior like this”. Which made me very angry, and I turned here for a discussion. As a democrat, I am afraid of the influence this extremely loud minority has. I do not support pulling books from shelves, or re-writing history, or large tech companies silencing opposing or even offensive participants. It just seems like society is going to a weird place, and the corporations are perhaps in a place to censor on behalf of the government, which can claim it has no influence?
If Trump were President, what would he do to stop this? Sure, he would tweet about it and turn conservative cancel culture against the publisher. But what could he really do to stop it?
OP’s husband, like most conservatives, muddies the water between government action and corporate and social action to keep weak minded people like OP confused and “scared.”
+1 They don't seem to understand what "Free Speech" means in this country.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please include links, people.
This story has multiple headlines on Fox News. That’s why troll op is glomming on to it.
The Dr. Seuss foundation says it will stop publishing several books due to racist stereotypes. It’s pretty stupid and I think the backlash will be pretty significant. That said, this is not due to the government action but because of people with power listening to an increasingly shrill and insane minority. They don’t seem to have any moral compass of their own so they just follow the Twitterati.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please include links, people.
This story has multiple headlines on Fox News. That’s why troll op is glomming on to it.
The Dr. Seuss foundation says it will stop publishing several books due to racist stereotypes. It’s pretty stupid and I think the backlash will be pretty significant. That said, this is not due to the government action but because of people with power listening to an increasingly shrill and insane minority. They don’t seem to have any moral compass of their own so they just follow the Twitterati.
I’m OP, not a troll. Before posting here I mentioned this article to my husband (a conservative) and how it bothered me, and he said “well this is exactly what you voted for! You voted to affirm behavior like this”. Which made me very angry, and I turned here for a discussion. As a democrat, I am afraid of the influence this extremely loud minority has. I do not support pulling books from shelves, or re-writing history, or large tech companies silencing opposing or even offensive participants. It just seems like society is going to a weird place, and the corporations are perhaps in a place to censor on behalf of the government, which can claim it has no influence?
If Trump were President, what would he do to stop this? Sure, he would tweet about it and turn conservative cancel culture against the publisher. But what could he really do to stop it?
Anonymous wrote:It is appalling to me that they are pulling some of Dr. Seuss’s classic children’s books off the shelves because they are potentially offensive. At what point does this cancel culture not become Fahrenheit 451?
I just re-read one of the titles being discontinued, “...Saw it on Mulberry St”, Dr. Seuss’s first children’s book and a wonderful story about imagination. The only potentially offensive line in the whole book is “a Chinese man that eats with sticks”. Is acknowledging that Chinese eat with chopsticks now so offensive that we are banning a book that mentions it? Can any Asians out there please enlighten me and tell me if you’re happy with the choice to remove this classic book from the shelves?
I’m really afraid of what’s going on, and that this kind of move is supported and applauded by the left.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Please include links, people.
This story has multiple headlines on Fox News. That’s why troll op is glomming on to it.
The Dr. Seuss foundation says it will stop publishing several books due to racist stereotypes. It’s pretty stupid and I think the backlash will be pretty significant. That said, this is not due to the government action but because of people with power listening to an increasingly shrill and insane minority. They don’t seem to have any moral compass of their own so they just follow the Twitterati.
I’m OP, not a troll. Before posting here I mentioned this article to my husband (a conservative) and how it bothered me, and he said “well this is exactly what you voted for! You voted to affirm behavior like this”. Which made me very angry, and I turned here for a discussion. As a democrat, I am afraid of the influence this extremely loud minority has. I do not support pulling books from shelves, or re-writing history, or large tech companies silencing opposing or even offensive participants. It just seems like society is going to a weird place, and the corporations are perhaps in a place to censor on behalf of the government, which can claim it has no influence?