Anonymous
02/12/2021 22:52
Subject: Re:Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Anonymous wrote:Arlington parents FOIA’ing records from an overwhelmed school system in the middle of the crisis of the century because they’re so sure they know better than the school administrators is the perfect illustration of the entitlement of parents in this county.
Pro tip: you can FOIA someone’s FOIA. It should be $0 and the city seems more than happy to comply (based on my experience with Alexandria; they turned around a few FOIA’s from a particular group in a few hours).
Anonymous
02/12/2021 22:46
Subject: Re:Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You don’t get to publish “your improved data” and then refuse to share it for replication or examination.
This is insane that people are listening to her.
Having lots of numbers and visuals doesn’t make you right.
I agree 100%. I didn’t really have an opinion on it until I saw she refused to share her backup and calculations because she didn’t want people to poke holes in her argument. I cannot take her seriously after that. That’s not how any numbers based evaluation works.
That thread is a big yikes.
Serious smackdown from Frank Bellavia.
Now I need to go find this.
Anonymous
02/12/2021 22:26
Subject: Re:Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Anonymous wrote:Arlington parents FOIA’ing records from an overwhelmed school system in the middle of the crisis of the century because they’re so sure they know better than the school administrators is the perfect illustration of the entitlement of parents in this county.
So accurate except I would broaden it a bit past Arlington.
Anonymous
02/12/2021 22:16
Subject: Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lots of butthurt from the whiners. Don’t you have anything better to do than rag on someone trying to help? Oh wait. No, you don’t. If you aren’t trying to help then sit TF down.
If you’re going to tell everyone it’s dangerous you need to show the data and calculation work. Just posting your own interpretation is so sketchy. Anyone who deals with data understands this.
Sounds like that blockhead Frank is going to share the data eventually. Maybe even the actual ACH not just BS other metrics (like on that FCPS thread).
Anonymous
02/12/2021 22:09
Subject: Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Anonymous wrote:Lots of butthurt from the whiners. Don’t you have anything better to do than rag on someone trying to help? Oh wait. No, you don’t. If you aren’t trying to help then sit TF down.
But your aren’t trying to help, you’re trying to keep schools closed.
Anonymous
02/12/2021 21:58
Subject: Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just. Pick. Virtual. And. Sit. Down.
These obnoxious parents who take data and come up with “better” I’m sure are trying to help. Help their preferred outcome that is. Same with the parents who take enrollment data and come up with boundary maps.
At least the boundary making parents, irritating as they are, are willing to show their work!
Which shows just how little thought they put into it. They craft those maps to meet their own purposes.
Anonymous
02/12/2021 21:58
Subject: Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Anonymous wrote:Why in the world would anyone listen to the lgraphic designer’s analysis of FOIAed indoor air information? Who cares what she has to say about this topic? Before mean nurse jumps in to say “but we’re only trying to make conditions safer for all children,” I simply don’t want to hear any amateur’s take on the sufficiency of the number of air exchanges. That is not reasonable. She is not an expert on the transmissibility of COVID nor a virologist nor a construction expert who can speak to air exchanges in facilities. Her take on the information is with about as valuable as mine, which is to say, not very valuable. I’ll leave this to the experts who have training and education in the transmission of viruses, the CDC, who basically said “crack a window.”
If people do not feel comfortable with the publicized air flow at their child’s school, they are welcome to stay virtual. Go ahead and advocate, we are all entitled to that, but people need to stop acting like the graphic designer is entitled to any deference as an expert.
Totally agree.
The problem is she is capitalizing on people’s mistrust of APS, and, fear of Covid. So, much like a very recent former President whom we shall not name, people are just gobbling up what she says because of the two issues I note above.
While no one can control for Covid hysteria, APS should(and it appears they are a bit) really try to pump out some good, clear information and do some PR damage control to try and tame the insanity. It’s not a good look to have some random graphic designer parent earning trust more readily than your superintendent...
Anonymous
02/12/2021 21:57
Subject: Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Anonymous wrote:Lots of butthurt from the whiners. Don’t you have anything better to do than rag on someone trying to help? Oh wait. No, you don’t. If you aren’t trying to help then sit TF down.
If you’re going to tell everyone it’s dangerous you need to show the data and calculation work. Just posting your own interpretation is so sketchy. Anyone who deals with data understands this.
Anonymous
02/12/2021 21:54
Subject: Re:Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
I love how they say they just want school to be safe for Hybrid kids, even though they are choosing virtual for their own kids. That would be fine, but then they also hound everyone in APE about sending their kids to private (inferring that therefore they can’t advocate for APS to open). Most of the private parents in APE seem to be doing so only because APS is closed!
Anonymous
02/12/2021 21:49
Subject: Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Anonymous wrote:Just. Pick. Virtual. And. Sit. Down.
These obnoxious parents who take data and come up with “better” I’m sure are trying to help. Help their preferred outcome that is. Same with the parents who take enrollment data and come up with boundary maps.
At least the boundary making parents, irritating as they are, are willing to show their work!
Anonymous
02/12/2021 21:48
Subject: Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Lots of butthurt from the whiners. Don’t you have anything better to do than rag on someone trying to help? Oh wait. No, you don’t. If you aren’t trying to help then sit TF down.
Anonymous
02/12/2021 21:39
Subject: Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Why in the world would anyone listen to the lgraphic designer’s analysis of FOIAed indoor air information? Who cares what she has to say about this topic? Before mean nurse jumps in to say “but we’re only trying to make conditions safer for all children,” I simply don’t want to hear any amateur’s take on the sufficiency of the number of air exchanges. That is not reasonable. She is not an expert on the transmissibility of COVID nor a virologist nor a construction expert who can speak to air exchanges in facilities. Her take on the information is with about as valuable as mine, which is to say, not very valuable. I’ll leave this to the experts who have training and education in the transmission of viruses, the CDC, who basically said “crack a window.”
If people do not feel comfortable with the publicized air flow at their child’s school, they are welcome to stay virtual. Go ahead and advocate, we are all entitled to that, but people need to stop acting like the graphic designer is entitled to any deference as an expert.
If people do not feel comfortable with the publicized air flow at their child’s school, they are welcome to stay virtual. Go ahead and advocate, we are all entitled to that, but people need to stop acting like the graphic designer is entitled to any deference as an expert.
Anonymous
02/12/2021 21:23
Subject: Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Just. Pick. Virtual. And. Sit. Down.
These obnoxious parents who take data and come up with “better” I’m sure are trying to help. Help their preferred outcome that is. Same with the parents who take enrollment data and come up with boundary maps.
These obnoxious parents who take data and come up with “better” I’m sure are trying to help. Help their preferred outcome that is. Same with the parents who take enrollment data and come up with boundary maps.
Anonymous
02/12/2021 20:17
Subject: Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm so over APS right now. I joined the Smart Restart group just to hear what they are saying, and the general tone of the group is basically it will never be safe enough to open. Meanwhile, my friends with kids in red states are going to school 5 days a week and playing indoor sports, with the only apparent accommodation they have made requiring masks, and they are not seeing huge outbreaks in the schools.
I am not asking this to sound like a broken record but I am genuinely curious? Are the kids of your red state friends eating lunch indoors or outdoors?
And how much testing are they doing there?
How does it go - if you don’t test you don’t have Covid?
Lunch indoors. No extra testing. A few friends have had to spend a week at home here or there when someone who sat near them tested positive, but they didn't even send the whole class home. Kids doing pep band and cheerleaders at sporting events, with two spectators per participant. It's like a totally different world. Seriously, I see their pictures on social media and its total cognitive dissonance. It's like we are living in separate worlds.
Anonymous
02/12/2021 20:14
Subject: Re:Smart Restart APS- ventilation studies
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You don’t get to publish “your improved data” and then refuse to share it for replication or examination.
This is insane that people are listening to her.
Having lots of numbers and visuals doesn’t make you right.
I agree 100%. I didn’t really have an opinion on it until I saw she refused to share her backup and calculations because she didn’t want people to poke holes in her argument. I cannot take her seriously after that. That’s not how any numbers based evaluation works.
That thread is a big yikes.
Serious smackdown from Frank Bellavia.