Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:27
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder. If the parents failed to seek appropriate evolution for their child this is on them. What is the contract agreement if the share is not a fit?
screaming does not cause autism.
Nor did PP suggest that; that is not what biomarker means.
DP.
PP wrote "High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder."
What do you think "causative feature" means, then?
Right, missed that. Don't know if there are such findings. Anyway: Sheinkopf, S.J. et al. (2012) ‘Atypical cry acoustics in 6-month-old infants at risk for autism spectrum disorder.’ Autism Research, 5, 331-339.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:25
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
I had a screamer. It was gas and reflux. Meds helped
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:25
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder. If the parents failed to seek appropriate evolution for their child this is on them. What is the contract agreement if the share is not a fit?
Nor did PP suggest that; that is not what biomarker means.
Crying is not a "biomarker" of autism (or anything else for that matter.)
As a mother of an autistic child, yes the crying was an indicator Years of testing to conclude the results. Our DC cries were high pitched as the PP stated.
that may be true. my child with autism was a little fussy but didn't cry nonstop. and crying is not a "biomarker" or "cause" of autism. it's a behavior.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:22
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder. If the parents failed to seek appropriate evolution for their child this is on them. What is the contract agreement if the share is not a fit?
Nor did PP suggest that; that is not what biomarker means.
Crying is not a "biomarker" of autism (or anything else for that matter.)
As a mother of an autistic child, yes the crying was an indicator Years of testing to conclude the results. Our DC cries were high pitched as the PP stated.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:21
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder. If the parents failed to seek appropriate evolution for their child this is on them. What is the contract agreement if the share is not a fit?
What pearls of wisdom are you going to share next? That vaccines cause autism?
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:17
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder. If the parents failed to seek appropriate evolution for their child this is on them. What is the contract agreement if the share is not a fit?
Nor did PP suggest that; that is not what biomarker means.
Crying is not a "biomarker" of autism (or anything else for that matter.)
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:16
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder. If the parents failed to seek appropriate evolution for their child this is on them. What is the contract agreement if the share is not a fit?
Nor did PP suggest that; that is not what biomarker means.
DP.
PP wrote "High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder."
What do you think "causative feature" means, then?
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:14
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder. If the parents failed to seek appropriate evolution for their child this is on them. What is the contract agreement if the share is not a fit?
Nor did PP suggest that; that is not what biomarker means.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:08
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:It could also be a food allergy. Maybe allergic to milk or if breast fed, to something in moms milk.
Agree with this statement. Wouldn't the doctor have already addressed this options? Gas seems unlikely to cause this sound describe.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:08
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Could it be a seizure? My daughter had neonatal seizures and she would let out a shriek prior to seizure (didn’t realize it the first one but the shriek worried me). The 2nd time took her to ER she was seen and medicated for a few months and they never occurred again. A teen now.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:06
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:This is a tough one. I've definitely heard of babies being "dismissed" from daycare or nanny shares because they cry too much and clearly need more attention than daycare or a share can give them. They may just be especially fussy babies, or be colicky, or have something more serious going on like a developmental disability. If your nanny is experienced, I'd trust her that the crying is abnormal.
By the way, there actually is a genetic disorder called Cri du Chat that was named after the babies' distinct cry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYQrzFABQHQ
I think your role here is to support your nanny. Have a talk with her and let her know you hear her. Have a plan to give it a few weeks, and if the crying stays the same, then you need to address it directly with the other family. The share is not going to work if the nanny feels she can't care for both children adequately, and an extremely fussy/irritable baby is one reason for that. It will suck and be SO painful to do, but will be the best for everyone (including baby, who likely needs to be held 24/7 by a dedicated caregiver).
Thank you for the great advice. The sound on the link is more of a happy high pitch squeal, very different sound. The baby screams from our share are more of a high pitch wailing.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:03
Subject: Re:Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
An unusual scream, for those who haven’t heard it, IS very disconcerting and I can see how it would stress a nanny and toddler out! I know of a similar situation (including a reassuring pediatrician) where the baby turned out to have a genetic syndrome with medical complications, unfortunately. Having said that, it’s far more likely the poor baby has reflux or a milk allergy. However, don’t discount the stress (to everyone!) in a situation like this.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:03
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:High pitched crying is likely more than an early biomarker of autism spectrum disorder; it is also an early causative factor in the development of the disorder. If the parents failed to seek appropriate evolution for their child this is on them. What is the contract agreement if the share is not a fit?
screaming does not cause autism.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:02
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
Anonymous wrote:This is a tough one. I've definitely heard of babies being "dismissed" from daycare or nanny shares because they cry too much and clearly need more attention than daycare or a share can give them. They may just be especially fussy babies, or be colicky, or have something more serious going on like a developmental disability. If your nanny is experienced, I'd trust her that the crying is abnormal.
By the way, there actually is a genetic disorder called Cri du Chat that was named after the babies' distinct cry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYQrzFABQHQ
I think your role here is to support your nanny. Have a talk with her and let her know you hear her. Have a plan to give it a few weeks, and if the crying stays the same, then you need to address it directly with the other family. The share is not going to work if the nanny feels she can't care for both children adequately, and an extremely fussy/irritable baby is one reason for that. It will suck and be SO painful to do, but will be the best for everyone (including baby, who likely needs to be held 24/7 by a dedicated caregiver).
I strongly agree with this assessment. It's a bitter pill for the parents, who may not be able to afford a nanny on their own, but it's entirely possible this baby is not suited to a share.
Anonymous
02/10/2021 13:02
Subject: Nanny is worried about other child sound of scream
It could also be a food allergy. Maybe allergic to milk or if breast fed, to something in moms milk.