Anonymous
01/30/2021 15:28
Subject: Re:I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:It matters because the teacher has no reason to stay out other than not coming back to VA. How many others would jump at the opportunity to work from elsewhere and have a monitor cover the class? FCPS shouldn’t be paying for that. The monitor should be used to cover for someone with an ADA accommodation.
How would you know whether your teacher has a reason to stay or not. ADA information is protected. My students certainly don't know why I won't be returning to the classroom.
An ADA accommodation to allow you to work from home as a teacher is beyond reasonable. If the system were able to pair the teachers with those students doing virtual school only, that would maybe be okay, but to let a teacher "teach" from home while the kids sit with a monitor is kind of nuts. I say that as someone who taught for years. It's ridiculous. Teacher needs to go on disability if cannot work in school.
So, do you realize that school systems don't keep spare teachers in the closet with the extra photocopy paper? In the situation that you're proposing, where teachers go out on disability, the monitors would become the subs. If their skills are so limited that you're worried about them being the only one in the room, why would you want them to be the teacher?
Anonymous
01/30/2021 15:26
Subject: Re:I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:It matters because the teacher has no reason to stay out other than not coming back to VA. How many others would jump at the opportunity to work from elsewhere and have a monitor cover the class? FCPS shouldn’t be paying for that. The monitor should be used to cover for someone with an ADA accommodation.
How would you know whether your teacher has a reason to stay or not. ADA information is protected. My students certainly don't know why I won't be returning to the classroom.
An ADA accommodation to allow you to work from home as a teacher is beyond reasonable. If the system were able to pair the teachers with those students doing virtual school only, that would maybe be okay, but to let a teacher "teach" from home while the kids sit with a monitor is kind of nuts. I say that as someone who taught for years. It's ridiculous. Teacher needs to go on disability if cannot work in school.
But federal law is protecting them so there's not much that can be done.
Anonymous
01/30/2021 15:22
Subject: I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, classroom monitors will monitor a room full of students who have a virtual teacher
Why on earth would a teacher need to teach virtually? There is a vaccine out there.
Most teachers haven't been able to get their first dose yet. You aren't protected until a few weeks after your second dose. Hopefully by the time we get there, which would be early April, we'll know how well the vaccine prevents transmission.
Do the teachers with ADA accommodations plan to come back after they have the full vaccination?
I think between now and the time we go back there's lots more that we'll learn about whether vaccinated people spread the virus, and whether the vaccination continues to work on new variants.
I also think that school systems need to figure out what it's like in the classroom, and whether kids will continue to come in person when they see what it's like, and how concurrent works.
Then it will be time to make this decision.
I'm in a situation like many teachers with ADA accommodations. I got my accommodation for me, because it's the only kind you can get and I do qualify. However, I have family members who are at much higher risk, who can't be vaccinated yet due to age. Until I know that I won't spread the virus to my child if I'm vaccinated, and I have access to childcare providers who I know won't spread, I won't be teaching in person. If I need to quit my job, I will. I was told when my ADA accommodation was granted, that I could stay out for the year. That's the agreement under which I returned, so if the school system tries to change that agreement, then I'll just quit.
Anonymous
01/30/2021 15:21
Subject: Re:I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
It matters because the teacher has no reason to stay out other than not coming back to VA. How many others would jump at the opportunity to work from elsewhere and have a monitor cover the class? FCPS shouldn’t be paying for that. The monitor should be used to cover for someone with an ADA accommodation.
How would you know whether your teacher has a reason to stay or not. ADA information is protected. My students certainly don't know why I won't be returning to the classroom.
An ADA accommodation to allow you to work from home as a teacher is beyond reasonable. If the system were able to pair the teachers with those students doing virtual school only, that would maybe be okay, but to let a teacher "teach" from home while the kids sit with a monitor is kind of nuts. I say that as someone who taught for years. It's ridiculous. Teacher needs to go on disability if cannot work in school.
Anonymous
01/30/2021 15:12
Subject: I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, classroom monitors will monitor a room full of students who have a virtual teacher
Why on earth would a teacher need to teach virtually? There is a vaccine out there.
Most teachers haven't been able to get their first dose yet. You aren't protected until a few weeks after your second dose. Hopefully by the time we get there, which would be early April, we'll know how well the vaccine prevents transmission.
Do the teachers with ADA accommodations plan to come back after they have the full vaccination?
I know a couple of my coworkers are willing to come back, but the majority of my coworkers are staying virtual because their students are virtual.
Anonymous
01/30/2021 15:05
Subject: I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, classroom monitors will monitor a room full of students who have a virtual teacher
Why on earth would a teacher need to teach virtually? There is a vaccine out there.
Most teachers haven't been able to get their first dose yet. You aren't protected until a few weeks after your second dose. Hopefully by the time we get there, which would be early April, we'll know how well the vaccine prevents transmission.
Do the teachers with ADA accommodations plan to come back after they have the full vaccination?
Anonymous
01/30/2021 14:53
Subject: I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, classroom monitors will monitor a room full of students who have a virtual teacher
Why on earth would a teacher need to teach virtually? There is a vaccine out there.
Most teachers haven't been able to get their first dose yet. You aren't protected until a few weeks after your second dose. Hopefully by the time we get there, which would be early April, we'll know how well the vaccine prevents transmission.
Anonymous
01/30/2021 14:51
Subject: Re:I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are lots of reasons why a teacher might be unavailable.
First, there will be situations where teachers are exposed when students aren't. I teach in person. We had a situation where a teacher and her husband spent time with someone, who was diagnosed the day after she saw him. Since the time period between the teacher seeing the person, and seeing students, was so short, the Health Department found there was no risk. So, the teacher was ordered to quarantine but not the class. Then during the teacher's two week quarantine her husband got the virus so the two weeks started again. Then their kid got it, so the two weeks started again. The teacher never got it but she was teaching from home 5 weeks I think?
There are also situations where teachers aren't interchangeable. At my school, there's on teacher who can teach the AP and post AP calc classes. They can't just switch her with one of the Algebra 1 teachers. There's one teacher who can teach a couple of the languages. Or there will be situations where things are uneven. So, there's 3 third grade teachers and they all have ADA protection, and none of the 2nd grade teachers do.
Or the teacher is not local and they are placing a monitor while she teaches from a distance.
True story.
Just out of curiosity, why does it matter?
My SIL a teacher with an accommodation. She moved in with us, so that her kids would have safe childcare so she could teach uninterrupted. If she had stayed home, she would have had the kids interrupting her teaching etc . . . It literally makes no difference to her students, so she wouldn't be in the classroom either way, so why wouldn't parents want her to make the choice she did?
It matters because the teacher has no reason to stay out other than not coming back to VA. How many others would jump at the opportunity to work from elsewhere and have a monitor cover the class? FCPS shouldn’t be paying for that. The monitor should be used to cover for someone with an ADA accommodation.
How would you know whether your teacher has a reason to stay or not. ADA information is protected. My students certainly don't know why I won't be returning to the classroom.
Anonymous
01/30/2021 14:29
Subject: I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers who have an ADA accommodation to teach from home but have students in person.
ADA is for reasonable accommodations. How is it reasonable to make some kids sit in front of a computer all day in school compared to having an in person teacher. If my child is with a teacher who is at home and has a classroom monitor I am going to rethink sending them
At all.
I agree but think it will be mostly used for secondary. So a kid would likely only have this for a subject or two.
Look at boas Docs. The number of monitors needed is evenly split between K-6 and 7-12. Over 400 K-6 classes will have a virtual teacher and monitor.
*Board Docs. I’m glad I’m not a K-6 parent. I agree. My HS kid can sit in a classroom and continue to learn Latin virtually I pdf needs be. 4 of her teachers are already teaching out of the building. Orchestra teacher got in the first minute possible. Heard to be in a small house with your own kids DL— while teaching cello.
But K-3 is all or nothing. All day 1st grade remote. Remote Latin may be reasonable for my junior. Remote 1st grade. The kids who draw the short straw are screwed. It is not a reasonable accommodation for littles.
Little ones who are in person aren't the ones getting accommodations under ADA.
You know what I mean. Virtual teaching isn’t a reasonable accommodation for teachers of littles.
Maybe in a normal year, but they decided that getting a classroom monitor was a reasonable accommodation.
And most parents, and the the taxpayers funding at multi million dollar decision, think this is insane.
Teachers whining about not getting raises— this is where the $$ went. Enjoy!
Anonymous
01/30/2021 14:26
Subject: I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They are low-wage workers who are desperate enough for work they will stand in harms way so vaccinated teachers can stay home.
Are monitors not eligible for vaccinations as FCPS employees?
Yes. PP was just another troll with Teacher Derangement Syndrome.
It could be a good way for someone to “jump the line.” Get a job as a classroom monitor, and work for 4-5 months
Anonymous
01/30/2021 14:26
Subject: Re:I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are lots of reasons why a teacher might be unavailable.
First, there will be situations where teachers are exposed when students aren't. I teach in person. We had a situation where a teacher and her husband spent time with someone, who was diagnosed the day after she saw him. Since the time period between the teacher seeing the person, and seeing students, was so short, the Health Department found there was no risk. So, the teacher was ordered to quarantine but not the class. Then during the teacher's two week quarantine her husband got the virus so the two weeks started again. Then their kid got it, so the two weeks started again. The teacher never got it but she was teaching from home 5 weeks I think?
There are also situations where teachers aren't interchangeable. At my school, there's on teacher who can teach the AP and post AP calc classes. They can't just switch her with one of the Algebra 1 teachers. There's one teacher who can teach a couple of the languages. Or there will be situations where things are uneven. So, there's 3 third grade teachers and they all have ADA protection, and none of the 2nd grade teachers do.
Or the teacher is not local and they are placing a monitor while she teaches from a distance.
True story.
Just out of curiosity, why does it matter?
My SIL a teacher with an accommodation. She moved in with us, so that her kids would have safe childcare so she could teach uninterrupted. If she had stayed home, she would have had the kids interrupting her teaching etc . . . It literally makes no difference to her students, so she wouldn't be in the classroom either way, so why wouldn't parents want her to make the choice she did?
It matters because the teacher has no reason to stay out other than not coming back to VA. How many others would jump at the opportunity to work from elsewhere and have a monitor cover the class? FCPS shouldn’t be paying for that. The monitor should be used to cover for someone with an ADA accommodation.
She does have a accommodation, it was mentioned in the first sentence.
Anonymous
01/30/2021 14:25
Subject: I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Teachers who have an ADA accommodation to teach from home but have students in person.
ADA is for reasonable accommodations. How is it reasonable to make some kids sit in front of a computer all day in school compared to having an in person teacher. If my child is with a teacher who is at home and has a classroom monitor I am going to rethink sending them
At all.
I agree but think it will be mostly used for secondary. So a kid would likely only have this for a subject or two.
Look at boas Docs. The number of monitors needed is evenly split between K-6 and 7-12. Over 400 K-6 classes will have a virtual teacher and monitor.
*Board Docs. I’m glad I’m not a K-6 parent. I agree. My HS kid can sit in a classroom and continue to learn Latin virtually I pdf needs be. 4 of her teachers are already teaching out of the building. Orchestra teacher got in the first minute possible. Heard to be in a small house with your own kids DL— while teaching cello.
But K-3 is all or nothing. All day 1st grade remote. Remote Latin may be reasonable for my junior. Remote 1st grade. The kids who draw the short straw are screwed. It is not a reasonable accommodation for littles.
Little ones who are in person aren't the ones getting accommodations under ADA.
You know what I mean. Virtual teaching isn’t a reasonable accommodation for teachers of littles.
Maybe in a normal year, but they decided that getting a classroom monitor was a reasonable accommodation.
Anonymous
01/30/2021 14:23
Subject: Re:I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are lots of reasons why a teacher might be unavailable.
First, there will be situations where teachers are exposed when students aren't. I teach in person. We had a situation where a teacher and her husband spent time with someone, who was diagnosed the day after she saw him. Since the time period between the teacher seeing the person, and seeing students, was so short, the Health Department found there was no risk. So, the teacher was ordered to quarantine but not the class. Then during the teacher's two week quarantine her husband got the virus so the two weeks started again. Then their kid got it, so the two weeks started again. The teacher never got it but she was teaching from home 5 weeks I think?
There are also situations where teachers aren't interchangeable. At my school, there's on teacher who can teach the AP and post AP calc classes. They can't just switch her with one of the Algebra 1 teachers. There's one teacher who can teach a couple of the languages. Or there will be situations where things are uneven. So, there's 3 third grade teachers and they all have ADA protection, and none of the 2nd grade teachers do.
Or the teacher is not local and they are placing a monitor while she teaches from a distance.
True story.
+10000
If a teacher receives the vaccine, they should sign something saying they will be back to work in person.
Just out of curiosity, why does it matter?
My SIL a teacher with an accommodation. She moved in with us, so that her kids would have safe childcare so she could teach uninterrupted. If she had stayed home, she would have had the kids interrupting her teaching etc . . . It literally makes no difference to her students, so she wouldn't be in the classroom either way, so why wouldn't parents want her to make the choice she did?
It matters because the teacher has no reason to stay out other than not coming back to VA. How many others would jump at the opportunity to work from elsewhere and have a monitor cover the class? FCPS shouldn’t be paying for that. The monitor should be used to cover for someone with an ADA accommodation.
Anonymous
01/30/2021 14:22
Subject: Re:I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There are lots of reasons why a teacher might be unavailable.
First, there will be situations where teachers are exposed when students aren't. I teach in person. We had a situation where a teacher and her husband spent time with someone, who was diagnosed the day after she saw him. Since the time period between the teacher seeing the person, and seeing students, was so short, the Health Department found there was no risk. So, the teacher was ordered to quarantine but not the class. Then during the teacher's two week quarantine her husband got the virus so the two weeks started again. Then their kid got it, so the two weeks started again. The teacher never got it but she was teaching from home 5 weeks I think?
There are also situations where teachers aren't interchangeable. At my school, there's on teacher who can teach the AP and post AP calc classes. They can't just switch her with one of the Algebra 1 teachers. There's one teacher who can teach a couple of the languages. Or there will be situations where things are uneven. So, there's 3 third grade teachers and they all have ADA protection, and none of the 2nd grade teachers do.
Or the teacher is not local and they are placing a monitor while she teaches from a distance.
True story.
Just out of curiosity, why does it matter?
My SIL a teacher with an accommodation. She moved in with us, so that her kids would have safe childcare so she could teach uninterrupted. If she had stayed home, she would have had the kids interrupting her teaching etc . . . It literally makes no difference to her students, so she wouldn't be in the classroom either way, so why wouldn't parents want her to make the choice she did?
It matters because the teacher has no reason to stay out other than not coming back to VA. How many others would jump at the opportunity to work from elsewhere and have a monitor cover the class? FCPS shouldn’t be paying for that. The monitor should be used to cover for someone with an ADA accommodation.
Anonymous
01/30/2021 14:21
Subject: Re:I still don't understand what classroom monitors are for
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought classroom monitors were for classes with no teacher. So kids will be in school, a classroom monitor will be in school with them, and the teacher is home, teaching.
I guess, then, because I only know my elementary school's situation, this must be a bigger problem at other schools. We've already been notified of how the classrooms will be organized and this isn't happening at all at our elementary. The few teachers at our school that can't be in the building for medical reasons were simply assigned to teach the classes of kids who are remaining virtual.
In our ES we will have about 4 classroom monitors. They tried to organize the classes as you mentioned, but the numbers didn't align completely. But even with those 4 classroom monitors, some of them are going to be in rooms with like 8 kids because the rest are still at home.